ARK obviously has every reason to push these price forecasts. The bull case is completely farcical: $327billion in autonomous ride-hailing revenue by 2025?

Who here thinks there will be even 1 fully autonomous vehicle on the roads by 2025? Back in 2016 these people were claiming we'd have fleets of autonomous vehicles on the road by 2021, here we are and still nothing has moved beyond Level 2. We are legit probably decades away from a true robotaxi much less one company making $327billion in revenue from armies of them

^I hope all the EVcels get ass raped. fukin hate those "cars" so much.

What happened around June 2018 it was around $50?

This seems like it has potential but seems very far away.
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-r...the-fleet.html


could this be rising on some hype atm.honestly just heavy delusion.

tesla needs to be selling 1-2 million cars per year from next year.

decades is right

this is state of it as of today.

NIO to the moon Pal

All of them will be players going forward.

Nobody will own the market share.

It will be no different than ice competitors currently.

Margin in automotive sector for all the big makers is around 10-18 percent. Has been that number for last 20 years.

I just don't understand why people can see Ford, GM, Toyota, and VW valuations and think Tesla worth waaaaaaaaaaay more? Makes ZERO sense UNLESS you truly believe Tesla gonna have autonomous vehicles 5+ years before competitors, their battery technology manages to overwhelm everyone and suddenly they become a battery supplier for the entire world, AND they become a huge player in the electric markets making grids more efficient (storing energy during low times and selling during peak times).

Real talk though- when are Electric-cels gonna start paying their way for road maintenance? Not even sure how you manage to even that out.

Mate it's because Tesla isn't just a car company. They're disrupting the energy sector and yes the autonomous taxis will be a game changer.


And no, Ford & GM are not innovative companies, I'm not banking on them being market leader for electric vehicles (or anything for that matter).


I hear you though because I used to think like you. I do not like the Tesla car (German cars crew) and won't buy one myself, it took me a lot of hours to understand wtf Tesla COMPANY was about, so DYOR, you'd be surprised (as I did) and form your own opinion.

You may or may not change your mind.

Lol my man

[QUOTE=Carbonfibre post_id=1634246473]What happened around June 2018 it was around $50?

This seems like it has potential but seems very far away.
[URL=https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/03/24/2005611/0/en/Astro-adds-Med-Evac-Pod-to-the-fleet.html]https://www.globenewswire.com/news-r...the-fleet.html[/URL]


could this be rising on some hype atm.



honestly just heavy delusion.

tesla needs to be selling 1-2 million cars per year from next year.

decades is right

this is state of it as of today.

[youtube]uClWlVCwHsI[/QUOTE]Haha I saw that video yesterday as well, dude is living on the edge

Seems the consensus among automated driving experts is that fully autonomous vehicles are decades away, it's just hugely detached from what's being sold to the public and the people involved fukn know it. Somewhere down the line they'll hit us with a "we never thought fully autonomous vehicles would happen by this date" because of some nuance in the verbiage, like Lordstown Motors coming out and saying they don't think anyone believed they had "real orders" for their vehicles after the report from Hindenburg

Even this month, but up for the year.

You didn't read past the first sentence in my post did you?

Regardless, I would agree that US legacy auto companies are going under mainly due to pension liabilities they'll never get on top of and the labor costs due to heavy union presence.

Ford... lol ok boomer

Ford isn’t innovative? Notsheriff srs

Henry Ford was a pioneer in the auto industry. Elon is just resurrecting inferior dead technology that was phased out years ago to appeal to leftist soyboy climatecels

It seems many of you are valuing Tesla based on it solely being a car company.


It’s not boyos.

You will be the same ones butt hurt when Tesla makes another run.

This. EVs are horrible for the environment, anyway. I hope they get destroyed within the decade. Porsche has already created a synthetic fuel that will allow the internal combustion engine to live on.

Not embracing nuclear power is what's really terrible for the environment.

I love how environmental bleeding hearts preach EV while turning a blind eye to the slave labour in the cobalt mining industry.

Just saw that POAHY got upgraded
Not to mention 60% of the electricity comes from fossil fuels so when they're charging their "clean" cars yep....60%

Whatever happened to the hydrogen fuel cells?

Sounds like a few chumps missed the boat on TSLA... LOL

Misc of 1900 - LMAO at carcels, nobody will use those there isnt even gas stations. It's a bubble - I'll stay with my horse Hurr Durr

I dont think that is the case here... even if we add everything besides the car sales... tsla would still be overvalued imo, so I take it as everything is priced in at this market cap, for me there is only a little upside compared to the HUGE risk you take when you invest into tesla at these levels.

I will consider investing in the EV sector when we see a correction (which will inevitably come) even tho I hate EVs

There are still some companies pursuing hydrogen. Without double checking I want to say BMW and Toyota are the big names? The main downside is that you lose alot compressing hydrogen (~10-15%)and even more liquifying it (~40%).

ARK's "bear case" for tesla has their own investors from r/teslainvestors questioning its legitimacy. JFL.

a lot of my portfolio is made up of travel stocks.

european lockdown/vaccination news is gonna kill me tomorrow, and the stocks probably wont recover until next year if summer vacations can't go ahead

not sure whether to sell on open or just hold.. and at least i can sell covered calls

feels bad all my paper profits are gonna go

Outside of chernobyl, most of the other "problems" have been somewhat of success stories that have highlighted flaws in the system to get fixed. And, compared to other power sources, nuclear has killed/injured virtually no one. The problem it suffers from is misinformation.

"In Norway, electric vehicle sales have gone from zero to nearly 60% penetration between 2010 and 2019. Despite such a dramatic shift away from oil, Norway’s carbon intensity has declined by10% compared with 11% in the US where EVs remain less than 2% of all vehicle sales."


"Given the huge upfront energy needs of wind, solar and batteries, any performance disappointment could mean the difference between moderate carbon savings and net increases in carbon. "

"Countries that have adopted natural gas, on the other hand, have seen better results while spending trillions less. Moving towards nuclear generated electricity is an even better option and would allow for the greatest carbon reduction while still saving trillions."

This is why Oil/Gas and Nuclear are investments that offer the most substantial upside.

market could get real spicy Wednesday this week

GME implied move for earnings after close earnings Tuesday is +/- 32 percent.


its going $300+ or under $100 potentially

I'm averaged in at $206 so here's to hoping we see $500.

good lord it about killed him at 1:30.. Is this really how far it is?

Have you not read the headlines on just regular ol autopilot not even full autonomous? No fukin thanks Geoff.