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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
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When present, sex accounts for about 1% of variance in structure or laterality.
Couldn't that 1% be a huge impact?

Like on a genetic level a human and a fly are 60% the same, while a human and a chimp are 99% the same, and a human and another human are 99.99999999999999 the same.
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Originally Posted By SmithMachineGuy⏩
Couldn't that 1% be a huge impact?

Like on a genetic level a human and a fly are 60% the same, while a human and a chimp are 99% the same, and a human and another human are 99.99999999999999 the same.
It would appear that the differences in male and female hearts are actually larger than 1% once the size differences are ratioed. Yet we are able to transplant hearts across the sexes with no problem at all.

The difference was also varied across the global population, so things such as environmental impacts that usually affect men more (such as working in high pollution/nosier/more academic areas) are suspected to be at play for the small difference too.
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So how do you explain transgenderism?
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Pretty sure it was wincel who was red-faced arguing with me once that some males were born with female brains and as such should be allowed into female only spaces/sports etc.... quoting old research that has been debunked long since this new study was released. Where you at Wincel?

Another trans argument crossed off with science... their house of cards is starting to look a little shaky now, as is the “party of science” who endorses this unscientific trans nonsense.
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Originally Posted By Muscle2021⏩
So how do you explain transgenderism?
Neural wiring
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Originally Posted By A-GAME⏩
Neural wiring
isn't that what OP is arguing against?
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Originally Posted By Muscle2021⏩
So how do you explain transgenderism?
Simple.

Males who wish to opt out of the stereotypical pressures of manhood, males with fetishes of being the feminine one in sex, males who just happen to like things associated with female things (ponies, pink and dresses), males who have been sexually abused and try to escape that abuse by crafting a whole new persona/identity, males who have watched too much porn and have desensitised themselves to normal sexual behaviour.

Females who have been sexually abused/traumatised will often try to appear more manly and take on a male persona in an attempt to protect themselves, females who like male hobbies (used to just be called tomboys), females who are scared of their bodies blossoming into womanhood and the sexual expectation that brings, females who have been indoctrinated by social contagion, females who immersed themselves in gay/yaoi fanfiction whilst young.

Lots of reasons for a person to believe themselves as trangender.... way more than I can list, but it doesn’t make them a different sex, it just makes them believe they are the wrong sex.

but there are no people born with one brain in the wrong body. There is only a brain in a sexually dimorphic body, whatever body that happens to be denotes the persons sex.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
but it doesn’t make them a different sex, it just makes them believe they are the wrong sex.
bro..... you say this like you just came to some grand conclusion...... yet this is what literally every single trans person will tell you
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I appreciate the study that you posted but I'm having trouble believing the conclusions you posted.
First of all the study claims male and female brains are the same except for the fact that male brains are larger and actually 1% of brain material is different due to sex/gender. I might be wrong but it feels intuitively wrong to me that male and female brains are the same. It just doesn't make sense. From everything I learned in my bio studies in the past males and females have differences in the brain.
Keep in mind that 1% that is different could have a huge impact. The difference between male and female in terms of genetics is only 1 chromosome between 46. Only a very small amount of genetic material can make a huge difference.
Only a small area of the brain can make a huge difference.

Additionally the idea that a male will resort to cutting off his penis and balls because he likes the color pink or ponies is laughable.
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
bro..... you say this like you just came to some grand conclusion...... yet this is what literally every single trans person will tell you
And belief and fantasy are not provable or measurable and thus should always be discarded for material reality.

There is no material proof of transgenderism, just purely mental belief. So it should be treated like any other mental condition... which is not through surgery or through forcing the rest of the world to make accommodations to their delusions.

Glad we agree.
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Originally Posted By Muscle2021⏩
I appreciate the study that you posted but I'm having trouble believing the conclusions you posted.
First of all the study claims male and female brains are the same except for the fact that male brains are larger and actually 1% of brain material is different due to sex/gender. I might be wrong but it feels intuitively wrong to me that male and female brains are the same. It just doesn't make sense. From everything I learned in my bio studies in the past males and females have differences in the brain.
Keep in mind that 1% that is different could have a huge impact. The difference between male and female in terms of genetics is only 1 chromosome between 46. Only a very small amount of genetic material can make a huge difference.
Only a small area of the brain can make a huge difference.

Additionally the idea that a male will resort to cutting off his penis and balls because he likes the color pink or ponies is laughable.
I mean, for sure you can ignore whatever study you want based on your intuition. Why would I care? That is the beauty of science, there’s always a study that fits what you want to believe.

I don’t pretend to know better than a group of neuroscientists who have analysed over 30 years of brain studies though, so to me it is incredibly interesting. I choose to believe this well-reasoned and referenced analysis.



Didn’t say that man would cut his knob off just because he likes pink, but a boy who is in the throws of a mental illness who does happen to like pink might find himself the victim of a few adults with an agenda to push.
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only weirdo soft-science pyscho-analysts believe in ego/superego/id/transbrains etc.

Normal people know this **** is bunk.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
And belief and fantasy are not provable or measurable and thus should always be discarded for material reality.

There is no material proof of transgenderism, just purely mental belief. So it should be treated like any other mental condition... which is not through surgery or through forcing the rest of the world to make accommodations to their delusions.

Glad we agree.
let me ask a question, do you believe all mental illnesses are not real or just being trans?
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Pretty sure it was wincel who was red-faced arguing with me once that some males were born with female brains and as such should be allowed into female only spaces/sports etc.... quoting old research that has been debunked long since this new study was released. Where you at Wincel?

Another trans argument crossed off with science... their house of cards is starting to look a little shaky now, as is the “party of science” who endorses this unscientific trans nonsense.
Fuk wincel. He is a total piece of chit. Guy PM'ed me to insult me about my dying dog abouut a year and half ago. Disregard him entirely, srs.
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
let me ask a question, do you believe all mental illnesses are not real or just being trans?
I believe there are mental illnesses.

No other mental illness is treated with surgery these days. Lobotomies and blood-letting are horrors from the past.

No other mental illnesses are treated by forcing the rest of the population to suspend their disbelief and go along with your beliefs.

I am saying we should treat transgenderism like any other mental illness, with therapy and medication in the instances where therapy fails.

If we could prove without a doubt that transgenderism was rooted in biology then it would change things, but so far, that has not been the case and more and more modern studies are proving.... unhelpful to the transgender movement as well.
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Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
Fuk wincel. He is a total piece of chit. Guy PM'ed me to insult me about my dying dog abouut a year and half ago. Disregard him entirely, srs.
I am sorry about your pupperLosing a pet hits the heart in a pretty brutal way. X
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Originally Posted By Muscle2021⏩
So how do you explain transgenderism?
Mental illness
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Originally Posted By Muscle2021⏩
So how do you explain transgenderism?
You're mentally ill.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
I believe there are mental illnesses.

No other mental illness is treated with surgery these days. Lobotomies and blood-letting are horrors from the past.

No other mental illnesses are treated by forcing the rest of the population to suspend their disbelief and go along with your beliefs.

I am saying we should treat transgenderism like any other mental illness, with therapy and medication in the instances where therapy fails.

If we could prove without a doubt that transgenderism was rooted in biology then it would change things, but so far, that has not been the case and more and more modern studies are proving.... unhelpful to the transgender movement as well.
ok got it, I agree with you then

but just note, 99% of trans people are not the ones promoting these retarded laws or the bull chit you see online. That would be the surrogate victims that get off by thinking they're helping others
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First off, I hold the position trans is a serious mental illness

Not sure I follow how this is an argument against trans though

Dimorphic would mean they believe they’re both male and female.

Trans people believe they are female in a male body (or vice versa). They don’t view themselves as both male and female.

Wouldn’t the brain still be monomorphic? The issue is that it’s in direct contradiction from what they see visually. I don’t think anyone suggests the brain is born male and shifts to female, in the dimorphic sense that sex organs can form as one or the other. It’s simply a mispairing that creates extreme cognitive dissonance


So yeah, not really following the argument here. If anything this tends to support transgender isn’t faked if that’s what you’re trying to get at.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
First off, I hold the position trans is a serious mental illness

Not sure I follow how this is an argument against trans though

Dimorphic would mean they believe they’re both male and female.

Trans people believe they are female in a male body (or vice versa). They don’t view themselves as both male and female.

Wouldn’t the brain still be monomorphic? The issue is that it’s in direct contradiction from what they see visually. I don’t think anyone suggests the brain is born male and shifts to female, in the dimorphic sense that sex organs can form as one or the other. It’s simply a mispairing that creates extreme cognitive dissonance


So yeah, not really following the argument here. If anything this tends to support transgender isn’t faked if that’s what you’re trying to get at.
No. Your genetics determines your 'sex' not your opinion. The brain is always mono - so yes it is still mono but no, you don't get a different brain or a 'sliding scale.'

As to trans being real - it is real. A real mental illness.
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
ok got it, I agree with you then

but just note, 99% of trans people are not the ones promoting these retarded laws or the bull chit you see online. That would be the surrogate victims that get off by thinking they're helping others
I get that, I seriously do. I have compassion for people who are distraught by their sex, it must be awful.

However, The right to punch the air in front of you ends where my nose starts.

The same as their right to self-define their sex ends where my rights to sex-segregated spaces start.

I have zero issue with men wearing dresses and heels etc... zero issue at all. What I take issue with is when I can’t have a male-free space because he believes his right to be validated trumps my right for safety, privacy and dignity.
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For the guys telling me it's mental illness, I agree that it is.
But there is no mental illness that doesn't have a structural biochemical component to it.
All mental illness is resulting from a biologically defective body.
If someone believes they are in wrong body, there is a part of their body, perhaps brain, that is malfunctioning. At some point we will be able to find this part and identify it.
Saying "it's just mental illness" doesn't mean there is no biological underlying issue causing the mental illness in the first place.
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The mind is way more complex than just your brain ded fkn srs

Knowing the things I know which is very little there's a lot more to the way people think than just their brain.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
First off, I hold the position trans is a serious mental illness

Not sure I follow how this is an argument against trans though

Dimorphic would mean they believe they’re both male and female.

Trans people believe they are female in a male body (or vice versa). They don’t view themselves as both male and female.

Wouldn’t the brain still be monomorphic? The issue is that it’s in direct contradiction from what they see visually. I don’t think anyone suggests the brain is born male and shifts to female, in the dimorphic sense that sex organs can form as one or the other. It’s simply a mispairing that creates extreme cognitive dissonance


So yeah, not really following the argument here. If anything this tends to support transgender isn’t faked if that’s what you’re trying to get at.
Dimorphic in the sense of differences between males and females. The same way we are a sexually dimorphic species, we can’t change from male to female but male to females have different bodies and functions in regards to reproduction.

The study shows that male brains and female brains are almost identical when ratioed for size disparity, so female brains are not different for the sake of being female.

So the argument for their brain belonging to the opposite sex of their body is completely unfounded.

So... a man who identifies as a woman, does not have a female brain in a male body. He has a standard brain in a male body.
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Is this the kind to science the left said was all that mattered or was that just covid science?
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Originally Posted By Muscle2021⏩
For the guys telling me it's mental illness, I agree that it is.
But there is no mental illness that doesn't have a structural biochemical component to it.
All mental illness is resulting from a biologically defective body.
If someone believes they are in wrong body, there is a part of their body, perhaps brain, that is malfunctioning. At some point we will be able to find this part and identify it.
Saying "it's just mental illness" doesn't mean there is no biological underlying issue causing the mental illness in the first place.
You're wanting a treatment for this?

Hard to determine an effective treatment as the brain is complicated and people have their own opinions of normalcy.

As to reality - learning to accept yourself and your situation is probably the most positive thing a person with this disorder can have. Most of society /will not/ accept your claims because /you are the one who is mentally ill/. Having plastic surgery to make it look like you're a chick or a man - will you help you hide your mind and looks from society but it won't fix your mentally ill brain.

So, asking society to 'rearrange' their logical and sound minds to fit your malformed one is /wrong/.

As to corrective actions in the brain - you're asking for some level of modification and chemical treatment we don't have access too effectively a 'brain transplant.' We don't have the ability to do that or the technology and you'd run into so many 'moral' claims of changing a person absolutely that it isn't okay even if it is for the betterment of society.
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Originally Posted By Vhagar⏩
Is this the kind to science the left said was all that mattered or was that just covid science?
Starting to believe that the left doesn’t actually even know what the word science means.
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