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So what the **** did the UK achieve with Brexit in terms of Immigration? [srs]

Nigel Farage has questioned Priti Patel's plans to change the asylum seeker system, warning that "we are on the verge of an immigration explosion."

Speaking to talkRADIO's Mike Graham, the former Reform UK leader said: "Ever since she became Home Secretary it's almost as if the rhetoric of her statements rises in direct proportion to the number of those illegally living in the United Kingdom. We're on the verge of an immigration explosion, and we're not having that conversation."

Priti Patel said she was introducing a “comprehensive, fair but firm” plan which would address those entering the UK “illegally”.


So, now EU people coming into the UK has drastically lowered.

However, non-EU accounts for all of it and gives a higher total net into the UK than it has ever been. And that is without the illegals.

Nice, so:

- Less Polish/Romanians who are either secular or Christian and live a lifestyle similar to your average Brit, barring some leftover cases of retards.

- Or a German who might be into Finance and decided that London is a bit better for him exploration-wise than Frankfurt.

- Instead more illegals who might have been fighting against British soliders and people from some cultures that have a questionable integration record.


But instead, you see, more fish:
Portus added: “I’m at the end of my working life but he [Johnson] made promises directly to fishermen and I am very disappointed for them. We should be rebuilding our fleet, encouraging our youngsters. We should be planning for a resurgence instead of being sold down the river again.”
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I said ages ago Brexit would mean less white immigrants & more black & brown ones. All that nationalists got out of it is, we actually do make our own rules now.
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
I said ages ago Brexit would mean less white immigrants & more black & brown ones. All that nationalists got out of it is, we actually do make our own rules now.
I am quite well-versed in British history, especially recent history and I can tell you that historical immigration from non-EU nations has been quite high in the pastalready. In fact, it's actually much much lower now than in the past so lol at this post...

EDIT: In fact, it'sextremelylow these days. Get over yourselves, twits
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
I said ages ago Brexit would mean less white immigrants & more black & brown ones. All that nationalists got out of it is, we actually do make our own rules now.
I have nothing against someone being non-white. But what I have heard from Brits who oppose high levels of migration is stuff like:

- questionable family traditions of big families and non-working wives

- cultural practices that do not foster integration such as female genital mutilation and arranged marriages


And I am like.... literally no one in Europe does this...


So now you make the rules and there is a suggested overcrowding issue - how did the EU tell the UK what to do when it comes to non-EU migration?
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Originally Posted By HannoCometh⏩
I am quite well-versed in British history, especially recent history and I can tell you that historical immigration from non-EU nations has been quite high in the pastalready. In fact, it's actually much much lower now than in the past so lol at this post...
I am talking more about since 1975, before then no reliable migration data. And since we live in the now, it is best to use that:
An estimated 282,000 more non-EU citizens moved to the UK than left in the year ending December 2019. This net estimate has gradually increased since 2013, and as at the year ending December 2019 is at the highest level since this information was first collected in 1975.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ed%20in%201975.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
I am talking more about since 1975, before then no reliable migration data. And since we live in the now, it is best to use that:



https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ed%20in%201975.
You need to be specific. What does the data show? 282,000? Is that between 2018 and 2019? What sort of "immigrants" are they? Short-term? Work visas? Temporary? Countries of origin? I find it hard to believe that such a large number would still be coming to the UK. Are you counting students - because lots of students from places like China come over, but then they quickly return after they have completed their courses because that is what the PRC has tacitly instructed. Details?
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
I have nothing against someone being non-white. But what I have heard from Brits who oppose high levels of migration is stuff like:

- questionable family traditions of big families and non-working wives

- cultural practices that do not foster integration such as female genital mutilation and arranged marriages


And I am like.... literally no one in Europe does this...


So now you make the rules and there is a suggested overcrowding issue - how did the EU tell the UK what to do when it comes to non-EU migration?
Having a big family with a non working wife is a "questionable" family tradition?

Sounds like a conservative household to me.

FGM & arranged marriages are definitely fukd up, but I don't know how what goes on inside someone's house limits integration.

Maintaining one's sovereignty is not only based on immigration limitations, its just that's the only leg you have to stand on as someone pro EU, I assume.
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when will you idiots understand that you need immigrants from poor countries to sustain 1st world conditions. this has been the case throughout history

rome needed slaves to function

the south needed slaves to function

the north needed indentured laborers and then poor european immigrants

there are vital jobs that native peoples will never do but need to be done for a country to keep running.
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
Having a big family with a non working wife is a "questionable" family tradition?

Sounds like a conservative household to me.

FGM & arranged marriages are definitely fukd up, but I don't know how what goes on inside someone's house limits integration.

Maintaining one's sovereignty is not only based on immigration limitations, its just that's the only leg you have to stand on as someone pro EU, I assume.
this has been used as an example by one of my best British uni friends who is a pro-Brexit guy (I am European but not pro-EU) and is not someone retarded (at least professional/academic achievements wise - not that that is everything)

he told me that from Muslim countries a lot of the times there is a net taking rather than giving when you total it

if the husband arrives on a well-paid visa, he brings the non-working wife and has too many kids (1950s West was like that due to affordability and women rights, not the case anymore)

they can live because they rent and food is cheap enough but that is because healthcare and school places are free (the most expensive stuff a working person takes from the system, immi or citizen)


that is his opinion only, however, I have lived in the UK for 5 years now and believe IDK much about the World to make any comment tbh

he said that Brexit, from an immigration standpoint (you assumed I think Brexit is all about immigration, which I do not), was only good to curb unfettered migration from the EU and limit it to high-skill occupations

however, he also said there must be a cap of TOTAL (with non-EU making it disproportionate) and the EU never hindered that so it makes little sense

additionally, after a TOTAL cap is introduced to reduce overcrowding of the Island, he said it is in the UK's best interest to import people who have at least somewhat cultural similarities to the UK, such as:

- More Kiwis or Koreans (Christianity) from a non-EU standpoint compared to other ones

- Continue splitting the skilled visa places between EU and non-EU

that might be simply low key racism tho
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Originally Posted By RhysWirral⏩
when will you idiots understand that you need immigrants from poor countries to sustain 1st world conditions. this has been the case throughout history

rome needed slaves to function

the south needed slaves to function

the north needed indentured laborers and then poor european immigrants

there are vital jobs that native peoples will never do but need to be done for a country to keep running.
make sense
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
I don't know how what goes on inside someone's house limits integration.
I asked the same thing as for example where I work no one really cares about anything other than work


his personal views is that a girl being covered gives bad image for the rest of the culture among white british females, who are now encouraged to be everything
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
this has been used as an example by one of my best British uni friends who is a pro-Brexit guy (I am European but not pro-EU) and is not someone retarded (at least professional/academic achievements wise - not that that is everything)

he told me that from Muslim countries a lot of the times there is a net taking rather than giving when you total it

if the husband arrives on a well-paid visa, he brings the non-working wife and has too many kids (1950s West was like that due to affordability and women rights, not the case anymore)

they can live because they rent and food is cheap enough but that is because healthcare and school places are free (the most expensive stuff a working person takes from the system, immi or citizen)


that is his opinion only, however, I have lived in the UK for 5 years now and believe IDK much about the World to make any comment tbh

he said that Brexit, from an immigration standpoint (you assumed I think Brexit is all about immigration, which I do not), was only good to curb unfettered migration from the EU and limit it to high-skill occupations

however, he also said there must be a cap of TOTAL (with non-EU making it disproportionate) and the EU never hindered that so it makes little sense

additionally, after a TOTAL cap is introduced to reduce overcrowding of the Island, he said it is in the UK's best interest to import people who have at least somewhat cultural similarities to the UK, such as:

- More Kiwis or Koreans (Christianity) from a non-EU standpoint compared to other ones

- Continue splitting the skilled visa places between EU and non-EU

that might be simply low key racism tho
Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
I asked the same thing as for example where I work no one really cares about anything other than work


his personal views is that a girl being covered gives bad image for the rest of the culture among white british females, who are now encouraged to be everything
In 2021, the only migrants coming from "muslim" countries are asylum seekers, who are considered illegals until denied or accepted (think dinghy riders from France). You can't claim benefits for the first five years & child related welfare is capped to two children. I dont want to go so far to call that a "historical" argument but that particular argument becomes less and less relevant everyday.

And a one working household is not the norm anymore out of necessity, not because liberal culture trumps conservative culture.

Maybe culturally similar countries would not want to come to the UK. Can you think of an industry the UK excels in that any other culturally similar country's prospective immigrant would recieve a larger pay packet in the UK than in, Australia for example? Or any culturally similar country where an immigrant to the UK would get cheaper land, or have their wage go further?
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
I asked the same thing as for example where I work no one really cares about anything other than work


his personal views is that a girl being covered gives bad image for the rest of the culture among white british females, who are now encouraged to be everything
Burkas & niqabs I believe are not even a necessity in Islam im certain, hijabs are but its just a fashion accessory these days & personally, I see no problem with a woman not wearing slooty clothes, if that gives a bad image then im eagerly awaiting the white British cultural norm to be butt naked girls to make the culture flourish.
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
In 2021, the only migrants coming from "muslim" countries are asylum seekers, who are considered illegals until denied or accepted (think dinghy riders from France). You can't claim benefits for the first five years & child related welfare is capped to two children. I dont want to go so far to call that a "historical" argument but that particular argument becomes less and less relevant everyday.

And a one working household is not the norm anymore out of necessity, not because liberal culture trumps conservative culture.

Maybe culturally similar countries would not want to come to the UK. Can you think of an industry the UK excels in that any other culturally similar country's prospective immigrant would recieve a larger pay packet in the UK than in, Australia for example? Or any culturally similar country where an immigrant to the UK would get cheaper land, or have their wage go further?
Fair points. You are very correct that when you consider the EU, even in Eastern Europe, the gaps between skilled occupations are closing.

However, what would you say about this statistic*, welfare/benefits collection by nationality:





*https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures....elated-benefit
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
In 2021, the only migrants coming from "muslim" countries are asylum seekers, who are considered illegals until denied or accepted (think dinghy riders from France). You can't claim benefits for the first five years & child related welfare is capped to two children. I dont want to go so far to call that a "historical" argument but that particular argument becomes less and less relevant everyday.

And a one working household is not the norm anymore out of necessity, not because liberal culture trumps conservative culture.

Maybe culturally similar countries would not want to come to the UK. Can you think of an industry the UK excels in that any other culturally similar country's prospective immigrant would recieve a larger pay packet in the UK than in, Australia for example? Or any culturally similar country where an immigrant to the UK would get cheaper land, or have their wage go further?
The media (and the "government") used to peddle this narrative that waves and waves of people are flooding in and that the UK was a giant magnet, THE place to be. That's been proven to be bullsh*t. The immigration from the EU rose around '04 and thereafter following the enlargement, but you must be joking if you think loads of immigrants from non-EU countries are "flooding" in "now". Many of the non-white folks you see today are either descendants of immigrants from decades ago or came decades ago themselves. JFL at anybody who thinks "waves" of non-EU migrants are all fighting over each other to get to the UK. Refugees from "war zones"? Now, that's a different question entirely. If we refer to the situation in African countries, you will see, if you look closer, that refugees from multiple warzones on the continent are actually fleeing to NEARBY countries, not Europe. What about Syria? Many refugees fled to Turkey and nearby countries, not a large number in the UK. What about "illegal immigrants" in the UK? There are BARELY any illegal immigrants. That's not to say the UK has a "strong" and "robust" immigration system - nope, far from it. That's because "they" are not actually coming here. You hear about how the US is having to deal with massive numbers flooding in, but the UK? Nope, nowhere near that - not even close. It's always nice to think of yourselves as "in-demand" and "attractive", but the reality is far from it I'm afraid.


EDIT: Chinese students? Nope. The plan for PRC students is that they finish their courses in the UK and leave almost immediately to continue advancing the PRC. That is the customary way of most Chinese folk. Most don't waste their time in the UK building up a foreign country that is already built (herp derp what're you gonna do - start a startup trololololol). The Chinese return and improve their own country. JFL at counting the Chinese, when it is well-known that those particilar "international students" return almost immediately after graduation, not to mention that their skills and knowledge are more on-demand on the Mainland and considered much more attractive.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Fair points. You are very correct that when you consider the EU, even in Eastern Europe, the gaps between skilled occupations are closing.

However, what would you say about this statistic*, welfare/benefits collection by nationality:





*https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures....elated-benefit
I say, nice to see Pakistani's moving closer towards the average % rather than living like tramps like they did when I lived in a predominantly Pakistani neighbourhood.
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
I say, nice to see Pakistani's moving closer towards the average % rather than living like tramps like they did when I lived in a predominantly Pakistani neighbourhood.
Brexit sure did make out EUs the problem when it comes to net-takers though.
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Originally Posted By HannoCometh⏩
The media (and the "government") used to peddle this narrative that waves of waves of people are flooding in and that the UK was a giant magnet, THE place to be. That's been proven to be bullsh*t. The immigration from the EU rose around '04 and thereafter following the enlargement, but you must be joking if you think loads of immigrants from non-EU countries are "flooding" in "now". Many of the non-white folks you see today are either descendants of immigrants from decades ago or came decades ago themselves. JFL at anybody who thinks "waves" of non-EU migrants are all fighting over each other to get to the UK. Refugees from "war zones"? Now, that's a different question entirely. If we refer to the situation in African countries, you will see, if you look closer, that refugees from multiple warzones on the continent are actually fleeing to NEARBY countries, not Europe. What about Syria? Many refugees fled to Turkey and nearby countries, not a large number in the UK. What about "illegal immigrants" in the UK? There are BARELY any illegal immigrants. That's not to say the UK has a "strong" and "robust" immigration system - nope. That's because "they" are not actually coming here. You hear about how the US is having to deal with massive numbers flooding in, but the UK? Nope, nowhere near that - not even close. It's always nice to think of yourselves as "in-demand" and "attractive", but the reality is far from it I'm afraid.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Brexit sure did make out EUs the problem when it comes to net-takers though.
Brexit was a question of sovereignty & a success as seen by the vaccine program. Once a trade deal is signed economic ties will go back to normal as well.

And Romani's unfortunately are are the bottom of every statistic.
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Originally Posted By HannoCometh⏩
The media (and the "government") used to peddle this narrative that waves of waves of people are flooding in and that the UK was a giant magnet, THE place to be. That's been proven to be bullsh*t. The immigration from the EU rose around '04 and thereafter following the enlargement, but you must be joking if you think loads of immigrants from non-EU countries are "flooding" in "now". Many of the non-white folks you see today are either descendants of immigrants from decades ago or came decades ago themselves. JFL at anybody who thinks "waves" of non-EU migrants are all fighting over each other to get to the UK. Refugees from "war zones"? Now, that's a different question entirely. If we refer to the situation in African countries, you will see, if you look closer, that refugees from multiple warzones on the continent are actually fleeing to NEARBY countries, not Europe. What about Syria? Many refugees fled to Turkey and nearby countries, not a large number in the UK. What about "illegal immigrants" in the UK? There are BARELY any illegal immigrants. That's not to say the UK has a "strong" and "robust" immigration system - nope. That's because "they" are not actually coming here. You hear about how the US is having to deal with massive numbers flooding in, but the UK? Nope, nowhere near that - not even close. It's always nice to think of yourselves as "in-demand" and "attractive", but the reality is far from it I'm afraid.
very good insight

i've just been looking at the uk's statistics on refugees and asylum seekers and even that is laughably small for a country of 70 million jesus.

From their government website:The UK offered protection – in the form of asylum, humanitarian protection, alternative forms of leave and resettlement – to 19,480 people in the year ending September 2019 (up 28% compared with the previous year).

There were 34,354 asylum applications in the UK (main applicants only) in the year ending September 2019

That is laughably small for a developed country.
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
Brexit was a question of sovereignty & a success as seen by the vaccine program. Once a trade deal is signed economic ties will go back to normal as well.

And Romani's unfortunately are are the bottom of every statistic.
True, I should probably not assume that if EU = hated by Brits.

Although, something about Romanis is nothing compared to the fact that a few ethnic groups make up 50% of benefit-taking.
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Originally Posted By RhysWirral⏩
when will you idiots understand that you need immigrants from poor countries to sustain 1st world conditions. this has been the case throughout history

rome needed slaves to function

the south needed slaves to function

the north needed indentured laborers and then poor european immigrants

there are vital jobs that native peoples will never do but need to be done for a country to keep running.
LOL!

The British Twits don't want to address this point.








Also, to maintain the population you need immigration, and it ain't going to be a bunch of Swedes.


LOL!
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Originally Posted By RhysWirral⏩
very good insight

i've just been looking at the uk's statistics on refugees and asylum seekers and even that is laughably small for a country of 70 million jesus.

From their government website:The UK offered protection – in the form of asylum, humanitarian protection, alternative forms of leave and resettlement – to 19,480 people in the year ending September 2019 (up 28% compared with the previous year).

There were 34,354 asylum applications in the UK (main applicants only) in the year ending September 2019

That is laughably small for a developed country.
I dont think anyones against legitimate asylum claims. Its when they just land with their hands out, procedures are in place, use them. However its a delicate subject because ofc if Saddam Hussein is gassing villages leading up to yours as if you give a chit about procedure.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
True, I should probably not assume that if EU = hated by Brits.

Although, something about Romanis is nothing compared to the fact that a few ethnic groups make up 50% of benefit-taking.


Yes, whatever will we do.....
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
I dont think anyones against legitimate asylum claims. Its when they just land with their hands out, procedures are in place, use them. However its a delicate subject because ofc if Saddam Hussein is gassing villages leading up to yours as if you give a chit about procedure.
when you say hands out, do you mean food & accomodation? i mean maybe i'm wrong but it sounds like they are given the bare minimum to survive

are they even allowed to work while their applications are being processed?
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Did you post this to show that White is the most?

I don't mind this but you made a common error - you chose the ANY STATE SUPPORT graph and did not even reply to mine.

I don't blame you because it is super counter-intuitive for them to do this but they bundle pension into state support and it is misleading.

Most of the UK is white and to collect pension "state support" you need to have contributed via working. That's why retired people in the UK, who will be mostly White British, are the main claimants.


In contrast to this, I posted the income-related ones: tax breaks, housing (council flats), child benefits. Aka welfare. In all fairness, pension is in a way state support fund for the elderly but your pot depends on you a lot.

And I do not need to repost it since I summarised the data - almost 50% of welfare is from a handful of ethnicities.
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
I said ages ago Brexit would mean less white immigrants & more black & brown ones. All that nationalists got out of it is, we actually do make our own rules now.
This is the point. We could now vote in a government who would limit immigration. We won't because people are stupid and will keep voting Tory or Labour. But we could, and before we couldn't.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Did you post this to show that White is the most?

I don't mind this but you made a common error - you chose the ANY STATE SUPPORT graph and did not even reply to mine.

I don't blame you because it is super counter-intuitive for them to do this but they bundle pension into state support and it is misleading.

Most of the UK is white and to collect pension "state support" you need to have contributed via working. That's why retired people in the UK, who will be mostly White British, are the main claimants.


In contrast to this, I posted the income-related ones: tax breaks, housing (council flats), child benefits. Aka welfare. In all fairness, pension is in a way state support fund for the elderly but your pot depends on you a lot.

And I do not need to repost it since I summarised the data - almost 50% of welfare is from a handful of ethnicities.
Well here's where you're mistaken, you're conflating state pension with pension credit, unless state pension is considered welfare.

And even if not, the point is, UK is unfortunately a welfare state. As long as dependency is going down, things are working.

This isn't the case for Romani's apparently Bangladeshi's for which the %'s remain at the same level for at least half a decade.
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