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post 1635339343 04-03-2021, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted By RhysWirral⏩
when will you idiots understand that you need immigrants from poor countries to sustain 1st world conditions. this has been the case throughout history

rome needed slaves to function

the south needed slaves to function

the north needed indentured laborers and then poor european immigrants

there are vital jobs that native peoples will never do but need to be done for a country to keep running.
Wrong.

Explain Japan.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
This is the point. We could now vote in a government who would limit immigration. We won't because people are stupid and will keep voting Tory or Labour. But we could, and before we couldn't.
Exactly, like the lib dems did with Cameron, if the brexit party/reform party catch some traction, generally the conservatives will bend & adopt some of their policies
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Originally Posted By LoLBrah69⏩
LOL!

The British Twits don't want to address this point.

Also, to maintain the population you need immigration, and it ain't going to be a bunch of Swedes.

LOL!
Population increase or maintenance is only required for the current economic model to function, that and endless debt. It's not a necessity, we could adopt a different economic model.
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
Well here's where you're mistaken, you're conflating state pension with pension credit, unless state pension is considered welfare.

And even if not, the point is, UK is unfortunately a welfare state. As long as dependency is going down, things are working.

This isn't the case for Romani's apparently Bangladeshi's for which the %'s remain at the same level for at least half a decade.
I believe I am not - pension credit is a welfare benefit to top up the state pension to those who struggle to make ends meet (quick gov.uk search shows this), that is why it is related to income, which is all that matters.

That is something reasonable - if things are better then of course it is better than nothing. But at some point, all these people were imported - one way or another - just like Eastern Europeans.

But at the very least from you, I see Romanis this Romanis that (you are not wrong for that ethnic group though, which is <1% of the EU, and probably less than that in the UK lol :P), not Polish or German or Romanian. Which is good.

Not sure why the Brexiteer campaigns focused on the latter though.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Population increase or maintenance is only required for the current economic model to function, that and endless debt. It's not a necessity, we could adopt a different economic model.
Not as long as this model enriches those in power. Tories have already pretty much won 2024 barring a major fuk up. If anything things are heading more towards a dystopia. Apparently a survey said recently like 60% of people in the UK were in favour of UBI
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Wrong.

Explain Japan.
they do, however, talk more and more about high-skilled occupation visas and they have always had that option - many western professors have gone on there for the long-term, for example


that being said, the UK has nowhere near a "high-skill occupation only" route type


and it should


there is always the argument of:

a) even if the immi is high-skill, if he has 10 kids he can still be a net taker

that can easily be solved by a privatisation of healthcare and schooling - then we can see who is worth what; but lots of right-wing brits will realise they are indirectly on the dole

b) spend as much resources you can on a native drug-addict to reform and become a PhD before taking in one single immi
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
Not as long as this model enriches those in power. Tories have already pretty much won 2024 barring a major fuk up. If anything things are heading more towards a dystopia. Apparently a survey said recently like 60% of people in the UK were in favour of UBI
Key word being 'could'. I don't think much will change it's just hypothetically possible.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
I believe I am not - pension credit is a welfare benefit to top up the state pension to those who struggle to make ends meet (quick gov.uk search shows this), that is why it is related to income, which is all that matters.

That is something reasonable - if things are better then of course it is better than nothing. But at some point, all these people were imported - one way or another - just like Eastern Europeans.

But at the very least from you, I see Romanis this Romanis that (you are not wrong for that ethnic group though, which is <1% of the EU, and probably less than that in the UK lol :P), not Polish or German or Romanian. Which is good.

Not sure why the Brexiteer campaigns focused on the latter though.
I'm fairly certain they didn't besides random uneducated people complaining about low skilled jobs that EU nationals got instead of them. Or besides people in warehouse jobs that don't like hearing polish & Russian & not English. That's not something out of the ordinary though, im sure in Gdansk they'd be irked if an entire warehouse spoke English & not Polish.
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There are more muslims here than there are in india now.
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
I'm fairly certain they didn't besides random uneducated people complaining about low skilled jobs that EU nationals got instead of them. Or besides people in warehouse jobs that don't like hearing polish & Russian & not English. That's not something out of the ordinary though, im sure in Gdansk they'd be irked if an entire warehouse spoke English & not Polish.
that assumption about Gdansk, or anywhere else in Eastern Europe, has a high chance of being correct

good example as well, Poland and Hungary actually have a much higher anti-EU (the political union) sentiment than the UK lol

low skilled immigration is a net loss tbh
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Wrong.

Explain Japan.
japan has 2.2 million foreign workers mainly from south east asia and will need more in the future.

unless people are willing to lower the living standards we are always going to a need a low skilled, low paid population to do the mundane, nasty, smelly jobs.
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Originally Posted By RhysWirral⏩
japan has 2.2 million foreign workers mainly from south east asia and will need more in the future.

unless people are willing to lower the living standards we are always going to a need a low skilled, low paid population to do the mundane, nasty, smelly jobs.
but tbh, there is a shortage of high skilled occupation everywhere, including Japan
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Originally Posted By RhysWirral⏩
japan has 2.2 million foreign workers mainly from south east asia and will need more in the future.

unless people are willing to lower the living standards we are always going to a need a low skilled, low paid population to do the mundane, nasty, smelly jobs.
I didn't realise it was that many, it's increased a lot in recent years. Still they're only needed for the function of an unsustainable economic model based on perpetual population and debt increase.

Explain the British Empire, or all of Europe prior to the era of mass immigration. Europe in its heyday was virtually homogeneous. Your position is just a post hoc justification for mass immigration, nothing more.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
I didn't realise it was that many, it's increased a lot in recent years. Still they're only needed for the function of an unsustainable economic model based on perpetual population and debt increase.

Explain the British Empire, or all of Europe prior to the era of mass immigration. Europe in its heyday was virtually homogeneous. Your position is just a post hoc justification for mass immigration, nothing more.
What are your thoughts on controlled immigration to the UK? Do you believe it should be 0?

Does the type of immigrant matter in terms of origin?
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
I said ages ago Brexit would mean less white immigrants & more black & brown ones. All that nationalists got out of it is,we actually do make our own rules now.
Lmao you never did and never will
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
I didn't realise it was that many, it's increased a lot in recent years. Still they're only needed for the function of an unsustainable economic model based on perpetual population and debt increase.

Explain the British Empire, or all of Europe prior to the era of mass immigration. Europe in its heyday was virtually homogeneous. Your position is just a post hoc justification for mass immigration, nothing more.
The British Empire relied on slave labor up until 1833, after that you had indentured servants from India.

On the domestic front you had child labor and poorly paid factory workers. You also had hundreds of thousands of migrants from Ireland and rural areas.

Unless we want to go back to a subsistence kind of living, migrants are needed.

A good example is Virginia on the eve of independence where 1/3 of the population were slaves. The economic system we have has always needed an exploited population.
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Originally Posted By RhysWirral⏩
The British Empire relied on slave labor up until 1833, after that you had indentured servants from India.

On the domestic front you had child labor and poorly paid factory workers. You also had hundreds of thousands of migrants from Ireland and rural areas.

Unless we want to go back to a subsistence kind of living, migrants are needed.

A good example is Virginia on the eve of independence where 1/3 of the population were slaves. The economic system we have has always needed an exploited population.
How many unemployed are there in the UK?
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Originally Posted By RhysWirral⏩
when will you idiots understand that you need immigrants from poor countries to sustain 1st world conditions. this has been the case throughout history

rome needed slaves to function

the south needed slaves to function

the north needed indentured laborers and then poor european immigrants

there are vital jobs that native peoples will never do but need to be done for a country to keep running.
you could probably make that argument when there was 10 million people living here 100 years ago.

Not when theres 60 million on a small island and we already dont produce enough food to support them, we have to import it
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So, african and middle easterns are fleeing to the UK. Ship them back.
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Originally Posted By RhysWirral⏩
japan has 2.2 million foreign workers mainly from south east asia and will need more in the future.

unless people are willing to lower the living standards we are always going to a need a low skilled, low paid population to do the mundane, nasty, smelly jobs.
Japan is focusing on robotics to fill the shortage. They don't need anyone. Korea is doing the same thing.
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
Japan is focusing on robotics to fill the shortage. They don't need anyone. Korea is doing the same thing.
would you say it is the same for high skilled occupations?
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Lol, at idiot brexit supporters. Just blindly played like fiddles.


Such is life when you only act with emotions.

Give it time, and people will be riled up again behind some useless cause, and be used once more.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
I have nothing against someone being non-white. But what I have heard from Brits who oppose high levels of migration is stuff like:

- questionable family traditions of big families and non-working wives

- cultural practices that do not foster integration such as female genital mutilation and arranged marriages


And I am like.... literally no one in Europe does this...


So now you make the rules and there is a suggested overcrowding issue - how did the EU tell the UK what to do when it comes to non-EU migration?
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Originally Posted By RhysWirral⏩
unless people are willing to lower the living standards we are always going to a need a low skilled, low paid population to do the mundane, nasty, smelly jobs.
absolute crapola

we pay perfectly healthy brits to sit on the dole in this country.

that imported labour will grow old itself and need more imported labour to support it.. see where thats going? We only have limited space and resources.. its perfectly reasonable to cut immigration, put our own layabouts to work and raise the retirement age steadily as people live longer.
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Originally Posted By whitepaper⏩
Lol, at idiot brexit supporters. Just blindly played like fiddles.


Such is life when you only act with emotions.

Give it time, and people will be riled up again behind some useless cause, and be used once more.
brexiteers were the only ones that actually understood the issue. This government will pay the price if it doesnt listen and act appropriately
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Originally Posted By samsbolton⏩
you could probably make that argument when there was 10 million people living here 100 years ago.

Not when theres 60 million on a small island and we already dont produce enough food to support them, we have to import it
100 years ago there was no welfare state in the uk, no pensions, national insurance etc.

if people want the life they are currently accustomed to then you need people to do poorer paid jobs, you're right it doesn't have to be migrants but i doubt most native brits are going to do it.
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Originally Posted By RhysWirral⏩
100 years ago there was no welfare state in the uk, no pensions, national insurance etc.

if people want the life they are currently accustomed to then you need people to do poorer paid jobs, you're right it doesn't have to be migrants but i doubt most native brits are going to do it.
They are poorer paid BECAUSE WE IMPORT CHEAP LABOUR TO DO IT.

wages rise when you stop importing cheap labour. 2019 was the first FALL in net immigration since the financial crisis, and the first RISE in average pay over that same period.

Its not hard to understand
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Originally Posted By samsbolton⏩
They are poorer paid BECAUSE WE IMPORT CHEAP LABOUR TO DO IT.

wages rise when you stop importing cheap labour. 2019 was the first FALL in net immigration since the financial crisis, and the first RISE in average pay over that same period.

Its not hard to understand
how do these economics work for a higher skill job, where is the line

is there a line for migration numbers like zero or 5000
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
how do these economics work for a higher skill job, where is the line

is there a line for migration numbers like zero or 5000
yes there is a line. No more than 100,000 net a year is historically average, and a lot of people including me would say that is high.. thats two decent sized cities a year increase on an island you can drive across in a few hours.

Who, though, is a lot more complicated. Its not just salary or skills, should we really be taking skilled doctors and nurses from other countries like Portugal that paid to train them? Shouldnt we be training our own people not stealing other countries?
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There are more muslims here than there are in india now.
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