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post 1637999523 05-07-2021, 12:24 PM
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Closest thing you'll get to Reeves is if you have good genetics and bulk

In all fairness, he does have a decent bodyfat percentage in the first pictures

If you have a huge frame, I don't see why it's impossible to get like him natty. If I was as tall as him + wider shoulders (genetics), then bulked up to his bf, I'd be pretty close to his physique

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Originally Posted By lolatpaniccels
depends if that is with a pump or not. People forget how much bigger and more jacked you can look with a pump.
And people forget how much smaller people look in pics compared to real life. I guarantee if you saw that dude in person you'd be like aiite phuk no that dude is huge.
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Originally Posted By Celsus
Closest thing you'll get to Reeves is if you have good genetics and bulk

In all fairness, he does have a decent bodyfat percentage in the first pictures

If you have a huge frame, I don't see why it's impossible to get like him natty. If I was as tall as him + wider shoulders (genetics), then bulked up to his bf, I'd be pretty close to his physique

inb4 delusional
Dude you look great but your physique is nowhere near his. You would get dwarfed even at his height.
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Natties overestimating what's achievable natty.. nothing new.
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Originally Posted By Cser
Natties overestimating what's achievable natty.. nothing new.
You callin us small?


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post 1638004223 05-07-2021, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted By HomerJThompson
Some of the pictures in the op post does look possibly natty, but yeah at this point he is not.
Originally Posted By lolatpaniccels
depends if that is with a pump or not. People forget how much bigger and more jacked you can look with a pump.
Originally Posted By Coal
He was not natty in the OP pics too. Orange juice wasn't a secret in those days brah. Whether he was natty isn't up for debate, it's well known at this point he wasn't. Question is if it's achieveable by your regular gym pleb and the answer is no. You would need some Ronnie Coleman genes or something.
I think you're being too kind, Cole Man.

Sometimes you see people look at someone and think whether it's even possible or not and if it is, then assume they're natty. Often overinflating what truly is realistic naturally anyway.

One guy can lift consistently every single week, putting in 5 intense workouts, going to bed every night at 8:30pm, up every training day at 4:30am, stretching and light work on off days, misses his brother's wedding for leg day, measures every single meal, never cheats on his diet, does yoga for stress and takes every OTC supplement known to man. Overall this lifter trains and lives like a warrior monk, totally devoted to lifting and forgoing all pleasures in life not related to his optimal performance.

Another guy can lift kinda-sorta at least 3ish times a week, loves loading up the bar and screaming a lot, also loves fast food, totally parties on the weekends, gets a good night sleep at least twice a week and takes OJ.

Guess which guy is two times bigger than the other?

In my experience: the true test to 'gains' isn't time, it's dedication -- and speaking from personal experience and also watching hundreds if not thousands others lift over the years -- the misc's weird idea that the world consists of 100% dedicated pure lifters is a lot of bunk.

I flat out own it, I'm not nearly as dedicated to lifting as I could be, not even close. I got people, friends, children who count on me, a wife who needs me, older parents who I care for, a job and a fuking dog dying of cancer pissing 3/night that I let out at night. Meaning: a LIFE, just like everyone else. Some people are more dedicated than others, sure, but we all are being pulled in different directions.
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post 1638006713 05-07-2021, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted By Coal
Dude you look great but your physique is nowhere near his. You would get dwarfed even at his height.
You are probably right, he has a way thicker and wider/broad bone structure as well. But what I am saying is, if you had his bone structure, you still don't think it would be possible natural with good genetics and lifting weights for years?

What do you think about Vince Gironda's physique? He used to be my goal physique for some years. Gironda was only 5'8", but was around 190-190 lbs in his top shape which is quite a lot if the stats are true.






Fuuuuuuuuuuuk, I miss lifting!
post 1638009093 05-07-2021, 02:22 PM
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Always love the people who still haven’t learned that almost any body you see in a picture or fitness ig is probably a cell tech body.

What is achievable natty is respectable but disappointing, and the lies people are fed from the users of cell tech only conflate the truth further.
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Originally Posted By Celsus
You are probably right, he has a way thicker and wider/broad bone structure as well. But what I am saying is, if you had his bone structure, you still don't think it would be possible natural with good genetics and lifting weights for years?

What do you think about Vince Gironda's physique? He used to be my goal physique for some years. Gironda was only 5'8", but was around 190-190 lbs in his top shape which is quite a lot if the stats are true.



Fuuuuuuuuuuuk, I miss lifting!
190 at 5'8" is fukkin hefty at that BF%. I'm pretty doubtful 180 is attainable for most 5'8" brahs at that BF.
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That's my goal face.
What routine should I do to achieve that face?
post 1638020583 05-07-2021, 04:55 PM
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If you want to lol hard type in "natural" or "natty" physique into Google.
post 1638021003 05-07-2021, 05:00 PM
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Could be we achieve that due to wide hips and narrow clavicles but yeah that amount of muscularity is pretty much ideal. Maybe less lats and more traps for that "straight out of prison, don't fuk with me" look.
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post 1638021473 05-07-2021, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Coal
So a cell teched physique should be our goal?
Im kind of a giga guy when I lift for a year srs so no, not really.
post 1638023123 05-07-2021, 05:26 PM
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Steve Reeves wasn't on tech loool

Didn't he even say something along the lines of:

"Real men don't need synthetic testosterone" - obviously I'm butchering the quote x 10,000

But basically implying that he was natty and basically doesn't respect cell tech?
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post 1638024613 05-07-2021, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Loochi
Steve Reeves wasn't on tech loool

Didn't he even say something along the lines of:

"Real men don't need synthetic testosterone" - obviously I'm butchering the quote x 10,000

But basically implying that he was natty and basically doesn't respect cell tech?
“I don’t believe in bodybuilders using steroids. If a man doesn’t have enough male hormones in his system to create, a nice hard, muscular body, he should take up ping pong” – Steve Reeves
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post 1638025333 05-07-2021, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Loochi
Steve Reeves wasn't on tech loool

Didn't he even say something along the lines of:

"Real men don't need synthetic testosterone" - obviously I'm butchering the quote x 10,000

But basically implying that he was natty and basically doesn't respect cell tech?
oh, he said he is natty, so it must be true.
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post 1638027563 05-07-2021, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Coal
So a cell teched physique should be our goal?
this
post 1638027903 05-07-2021, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted By Loochi
Steve Reeves wasn't on tech loool

Didn't he even say something along the lines of:

"Real men don't need synthetic testosterone" - obviously I'm butchering the quote x 10,000

But basically implying that he was natty and basically doesn't respect cell tech?
This 100%.

Ronnie Coleman is Natty, proof:





No bodybuilder ever took steroids, ask them.


We sub 80 IQ now MISC, JFL at not being sub 80 IQ in 2021 srs
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post 1638027993 05-07-2021, 06:40 PM
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Faith in your celltech misplaced may be.

You're saying that because you don't lift consistently and your balls don't produce T, therefore everyone MUST be like that. Right? You must be low IQ to think otherwise. Correct?

Why don't you just call it a day, start a hormone replacing therapy and trannymaxx srs? A good natty physique like the one in the OP is not a mythologem and can be achieved naturally 100%. He's no Arnold or Phil Heath or Ronnie Coleman.

Did they have celltech in the 18th century?
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post 1638028953 05-07-2021, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted By teodorkanev1
Faith in your celltech misplaced may be.

You're saying that because you don't lift consistently and your balls don't produce T, therefore everyone MUST be like that. Right? You must be low IQ to think otherwise. Correct?

Why don't you just call it a day, start a hormone replacing therapy and trannymaxx srs? A good natty physique like the one in the OP is not a mythologem and can be achieved naturally 100%. He's no Arnold or Phil Heath or Ronnie Coleman.

Did they have celltech in the 18th century?
^^ Evidence of Sub 80 IQ continues....


Statue is jacked in the 18th century therefore our celltech of a photo in the 20th is wrong


Statue apparently is a photo



Here's evidence that people were bigger without Celltech in ancient Egypt:






Statue is basically proof
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post 1638029103 05-07-2021, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted By teodorkanev1
Faith in your celltech misplaced may be.

You're saying that because you don't lift consistently and your balls don't produce T, therefore everyone MUST be like that. Right? You must be low IQ to think otherwise. Correct?

Why don't you just call it a day, start a hormone replacing therapy and trannymaxx srs? A good natty physique like the one in the OP is not a mythologem and can be achieved naturally 100%. He's no Arnold or Phil Heath or Ronnie Coleman.

Did they have celltech in the 18th century?
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag
Not even close. In 2021 that dude gets no pussy. Goal for me would be something like this. Big but not like crazy freak big. Good everyday functional physique
They are impressive in their field of bodybuilding, but those are not everyday functional physiques bro. To be that cut with quads that big lmao. If he had to walk up 3 flights of stairs he'd probably faint.
I would consider a bit less mass and more fat to be way more useful in everyday life / sports.
Not hating at all just so we're clear
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus
^^ Evidence of Sub 80 IQ continues....


Statue is jacked in the 18th century therefore our celltech of a photo in the 20th is wrong


Statue apparently is a photo



Here's evidence that people were bigger without Celltech in ancient Egypt:






Statue is basically proof
Not only were they bigger but they were also half cat lol

The statues don't lie!
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus
^^ Evidence of Sub 80 IQ continues....


Statue is jacked in the 18th century therefore our celltech of a photo in the 20th is wrong


Statue apparently is a photo



Here's evidence that people were bigger without Celltech in ancient Egypt:






Statue is basically proof
Is low T associated with being mentally handicapped? No, thestylizedEgyptian statues are not proof that humans were 20' tall, nor that humans were made out of limestone. Now stop being retarded for just a second and get to know how a Renaissance marble statue is made. It involves a human model, precise measuring tools and a pointing machine which helps to apply the exact measurements of the human model on the marble. Are some of the features slightly exaggerated? Sure, maybe. But how far off do you think the model can be compared to say... idk... Steve Reeves?
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Originally Posted By teodorkanev1
Is low T associated with being mentally handicapped? No, thestylizedEgyptian statues are not proof that humans were 20' tall, nor that humans were made out of limestone. Now stop being retarded for just a second and get to know how a Renaissance marble statue is made. It involves a human model, precise measuring tools and a pointing machine which helps to apply the exact measurements of the human model on the marble. Are some of the features slightly exaggerated? Sure, maybe. But how far off do you think the model can be compared to say... idk... Steve Reeves?
LOL

Don't be stupid dude, yes 'modeled' after a person but they didn't look like that. Zeus also wasn't real

Just have a multivitamin and duck eggs and you'll look like your favourite 18th statue srs



Originally Posted By spaceboyo
Not only were they bigger but they were also half cat lol

The statues don't lie!
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but who was attaining your goal physique?

doesnt matter who you are mirin, as long as you are trying to get there
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus
LOL

Zeus also wasn't real
I'll use very simple examples and words. I know you claim the cognitive superiority but just bear with me here.

Harry Potter also isn't real. You know who is? Daniel Radcliffe.

Let's ignore for a moment the entire process of making a Renaissance statue, the use of calipers, pointing machines and all that chit. The fact that you fail to see the difference between a stick figure andfine anatomical detailis a bit weird considering you're high IQ. The metacarpal bones, phalanges and veins sticking out is just artistic freedom, perhaps even the sculptor's vivid imagination. Not unlike the sphinx. This is sarcasm.

But you're right. Statues are not photos. And neither are drawings. Let's examine two drawings:

Drawing A


Drawing B



They are identical are they not? If an alien was to ask you which representation of the human face was more accurate you'd say they're the same thing.

Now why would you imply that since one form of art isn't accurately representing a human, therefore no form of art is? Isn't this the reasoning of an ape? Is the 18th century statue of Hercules proof that a man with the exact same body existed back then? No, but someone who looked a lot like that certainly did - and we're talking about a point in time where people didn't know what the fukk protein, calories, bent over rows or a front squat is.

You're convinced to the notion that anybody who doesn't use anabolic steroids is simply bound to have a chitty physique and if somebody disagrees with that he's retarded. Steve Reeves was openly against steroids. That's not 100% evidence that he didn't use them, but just because somebody on the misc said that he's a liar doesn't mean that he's one 100% either. You probably know something I don't, since you're very sure of yourself.

But at least I know how you fail to see any difference between this:


and this



you're kinda dumb, mane
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[QUOTE=Celsus post_id=1638006713]You are probably right, he has a way thicker and wider/broad bone structure as well. But what I am saying is, if you had his bone structure, you still don't think it would be possible natural with good genetics and lifting weights for years?

What do you think about Vince Gironda's physique? He used to be my goal physique for some years. Gironda was only 5'8", but was around 190-190 lbs in his top shape which is quite a lot if the stats are true.

[img]https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/VinceGirondaContestShape.jpg[img]
[img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/jinBIftubVXahTLsA9CvAKntNMRapS7ozqoiDJjnV3dkmAj2V-zNHAKxDyYIJKEb-ftu7ObrcdEqYiPZevHnhnAtAToJzDdPdUgFoEieWvEwIMaWqg[img]
[img]https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/vince_gironda.04-2.jpg[img]
[img]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0240/5869/1664/articles/my-reflections-on-vince-gironda-by-ron-kosloff-169593_1080x.jpg?v=1615609082[/mg]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuk, I miss lifting![/QUOTE]I'm that height and natty. I have great genetics for muscle. All my body parts are stand out and developed. My lower body especially is fuking huge. The guy you posted is like 20 years older than me, and with that kind of age your natty testosterone is tanked.

For me to be as shredded as him, I would have to weigh like 170 but he is fuking 190. I MIGHT be able to accept that someone with elite genetics could approach 180 lbs at that bodyfat, but certainly not at his age.

Also, my muscle size doesn't vary like his. You only see this kind of variation when someone is on or off a cycle

[img]https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/becker26abig.jpg[/img]

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