Originally Posted By teodorkanev1⏩

I'll use very simple examples and words. I know you claim the cognitive superiority but just bear with me here.

Harry Potter also isn't real. You know who is? Daniel Radcliffe.

Let's ignore for a moment the entire process of making a Renaissance statue, the use of calipers, pointing machines and all that chit. The fact that you fail to see the difference between a stick figure andfine anatomical detailis a bit weird considering you're high IQ. The metacarpal bones, phalanges and veins sticking out is just artistic freedom, perhaps even the sculptor's vivid imagination. Not unlike the sphinx. This is sarcasm.

But you're right. Statues are not photos. And neither are drawings. Let's examine two drawings:

Drawing A


Drawing B



They are identical are they not? If an alien was to ask you which representation of the human face was more accurate you'd say they're the same thing.

Now why would you imply that since one form of art isn't accurately representing a human, therefore no form of art is? Isn't this the reasoning of an ape? Is the 18th century statue of Hercules proof that a man with the exact same body existed back then? No, but someone who looked a lot like that certainly did - and we're talking about a point in time where people didn't know what the fukk protein, calories, bent over rows or a front squat is.

You're convinced to the notion that anybody who doesn't use anabolic steroids is simply bound to have a chitty physique and if somebody disagrees with that he's retarded. Steve Reeves was openly against steroids. That's not 100% evidence that he didn't use them, but just because somebody on the misc said that he's a liar doesn't mean that he's one 100% either. You probably know something I don't, since you're very sure of yourself.

But at least I know how you fail to see any difference between this:


and this



you're kinda dumb, mane

Lifting Crew

Not natty, but IMO Serge Nubret had the ultimate muscular physique.



Large with a lot of muscle mass, but not grotesque and still in proportion.

As for that earlier pic of Sebastian Stan; he looked more like a fitness model than an actual serious lifter. Even for a natty, I would shoot for a bigger and thicker upper body that. He has no traps, a thin neck, no roundness in the shoulders, just looks like someone who does push-ups and sit-ups with some DB work.

Cook the man some eggs!

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I've gotten close in over ten years of training but I doubt I'll ever get as 'dense' at that level of bf% without taking a little something on the side. I'm ok with it, though.

Fantastic, classic physiques in the OP.

This is a crappy photo but it's the only progress shot I've taken in a year, but you can see what I mean but my coming off a little flatter than what's posted in the OP

*Look at reflection in car window and flex every time crew*
*Use half the roll to wipe after a poo crew*
*Fart in the gym and blame rotten smell on faulty ventilation crew*
*Fart at home and blame it on the dog crew*
*Watch neutron-star density poop mock me as water flushes around it and it stays put crew*
*Drive 2 minutes in the summer and back of shirt gets completely wet crew*
*Coffee black as midnight on a moonless night crew*
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Originally Posted By Realityy⏩

I believe Steve reeves was Natty. You guys underestimate elite genetics



You really think someone would say something like this if they wasn’t Natty? You would just deny it, not get deep about it lol

I feel like miscers go full retard on both ends of the spectrum when it comes to the natty limit. On the one hand, you have the people who believe that Chris Bumstead was a natty 18 year old in this pic because of "muh elite genetics".



On the other hand you have the people who accuse any impressive looking physique of being on juice and underestimate the value of good genetics and consistent dedication. I'm not saying it's possible for everyone or even most, but I think it's plausible that Steve Reeves was natty.

“Steroids is now just a word that the lazy and ignorant use to describe any guy that has more muscle and dedication than them”– Mike O'Hearn


"I am like getting the feeling of cumming in the gym; I'm getting the feeling of cumming at home; I'm getting the feeling of cumming backstage; when I pump up, when I pose out in front of 5000 people I get the same feeling, so I am cumming day and night. It's terrific, right? So you know, I am in heaven."

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“Steroids is now just a word that the lazy and ignorant use to describe any guy that has more muscle and dedication than them”– Mike O'Hearn


"I am like getting the feeling of cumming in the gym; I'm getting the feeling of cumming at home; I'm getting the feeling of cumming backstage; when I pump up, when I pose out in front of 5000 people I get the same feeling, so I am cumming day and night. It's terrific, right? So you know, I am in heaven."

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*Look at reflection in car window and flex every time crew*
*Use half the roll to wipe after a poo crew*
*Fart in the gym and blame rotten smell on faulty ventilation crew*
*Fart at home and blame it on the dog crew*
*Watch neutron-star density poop mock me as water flushes around it and it stays put crew*
*Drive 2 minutes in the summer and back of shirt gets completely wet crew*
*Coffee black as midnight on a moonless night crew*
*Fat shame my cat on a daily basis crew*

biddies in tracksuits

Originally Posted By Polaris⏩

Where did I say natty?




I won't say specifically what he claimed to use due to some of the overzealous mods here (can be found easily enough with Google anyway).

Very small amounts is closer to natty right? I'm pointing out he's teched to the gills. If you saw that dude in the gym today you'd know he's a competitive bodybuilder for sure.

Here he is VS current Mr Olympia Classic Chris Bumstead

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The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.

That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.

Originally Posted By Dave22reborn

At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)

^^^Racist police officer who also cries about how racism doesn't exist, also cries reverse racism and typifies the stupidity of the racist right, referring to black people as "they" and regurgitating racist stereotypes.

Originally Posted By Coal

Noobs detected. Lift a few more years naturally and inbox me when your body looks like his. I'll make a formal thread apologizing. Hint: it's never gonna happen.

But you strawmanned be so hard though?

I never said this is achievable for me or most people natty. This is you arguing against what I did not say.

I said that the two aspects that contribute the MOST to the greatness of the physique in the op are muscle insertions and bone structure. Tech or not tech. That is why you can get close to that without tech.


That is the reason why, sadly, a lot of brahs who take tech won't look as good as him.



I am trying to facilitate what I mean one last time and if you strawman me again it is your problem tbh:





This guy is teched out of his mind.

But his muscle insertions, proportions (naturally determined by his bone structure and, to a much much lesser degree, his injection sites and lifting routine prioritising muscle groups as he is a Pro) simply make this a gorgeous physique. No homo declaration.

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Originally Posted By Coal

This argument has never been about whether or not a physique was gorgeous. It's been about size and what's attainable naturally. Using Chris Bumstead as your example to fight me on is a laughable excuse and a sad hill to die on. Yes he has great genetics but he's teched to the gills man. His Olympia prep protocol would make your average gym rats blush.

but I really believe the scrawnier pics of the OP are achievable with great genetics

and the first post of mine you responded to I noted that 99% of guys will never get it either way because the bone structure and how your muscles respond and insert is pre-determined



this is a 1920s weightlifter




and a 1930s one




AFAIK, exogenous androgens for the purpose of muscle building weren't even trialed before 1940s

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rightwing until financially secure
atheist until the plane starts falling
slootist until you get married
muslim after you get married

1096 ng/dl

The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.

That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.

Originally Posted By Dave22reborn

At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)

^^^Racist police officer who also cries about how racism doesn't exist, also cries reverse racism and typifies the stupidity of the racist right, referring to black people as "they" and regurgitating racist stereotypes.

Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩

But you strawmanned be so hard though?

I never said this is achievable for me or most people natty. This is you arguing against what I did not say.

I said that the two aspects that contribute the MOST to the greatness of the physique in the op are muscle insertions and bone structure. Tech or not tech. That is why you can get close to that without tech.


That is the reason why, sadly, a lot of brahs who take tech won't look as good as him.



I am trying to facilitate what I mean one last time and if you strawman me again it is your problem tbh:





This guy is teched out of his mind.

But his muscle insertions, proportions (naturally determined by his bone structure and, to a much much lesser degree, his injection sites and lifting routine prioritising muscle groups as he is a Pro) simply make this a gorgeous physique. No homo declaration.

Damn that shoulder width. Frame is everything and sadly that is a lottery from birth.

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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩

but I really believe the scrawnier pics of the OP are achievable with great genetics

and the first post of mine you responded to I noted that 99% of guys will never get it either way because the bone structure and how your muscles respond and insert is pre-determined



this is a 1920s weightlifter




and a 1930s one




AFAIK, exogenous androgens for the purpose of muscle building weren't even trialed before 1940s

Yeah those dudes are really short and stocky mane. Tiny dudes like that can fill out their frames easily. Steve Reeves would dwarf them.

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