polish wife crew, life couldn't be better

the 6/10 in EE is much better than the 6/10 in the West, so settling with that is better is you are 6/10 man (who I agree will struggle to punch above his weight)


this has to do with the fact that 6/10 is relative to the population that is accessible there

Been to Bulgaria every year for about 15 years now. Back in the days when you'd see rusted trabant cars on the road, there would be loads of hot sloots but now the EU has poured money into it and it is more prosperous, obesity has gone up significantly and it is far from what it once way in term of hot sloots, Ukraine is still the mecca. Driving round the ring road in the capital (Sofia) there were some pretty hot prozzers tho. EE women seem to dress like prozzers just as normal attire so this needs to be factored in. I remember some Polish women here raging about they way they were treated and it was clear from the way they dressed exactly what was going on. Funny as fuk.

I do feel like the EE women I've seen when I've visited have been shaped better than Brit birds. Brits are shaped like pears (which the misc seem to like, I don't) and EE women are more hourglass (hnnngggg).

Always makes me lol seeing dodgy af fat 50yo men with hot 20yo sloots over there. The women seem to love money and power there more than any other place I've ever been. I dealt with a bish of a Romanian women at work once, in the end I got so mad I started being outright rude to her face and she quickly seemed to be much less of a bish. At 25 her bf was some fat 40+ yo.

thing is in the UK girls (universal female biology) love money as well but if you provide money and power you get less of a reward so a diminished return

There is some sloot and fat acceptance going on in the last 10 years. It the same in Greece. Now days around instagram there are some fatties spreading the acceptance word and there are always some simps supporting them, so they have incentive to act entitled.

10-15 years ago there was no problem calling out sloot and fat cows. If there was some simp to defend them you can call him out on being a virgin and he will just stfu.


btw HTC is cope.

Loool so much back and forth over whether or not a country is easy to get laid in. Can we just agree with this:

1. Some short, Indian dude like me going to EE solely to get some pussy will likely be disappointed because it's not THAT easy anymore?

2. That a short, Indian dude like me will have a better chance of hooking up/girlfriending/wifing (pre-nup in hand, of course) up with a much higher quality woman in EE than in America where I'm literally bottom of the totem pole in terms of race attractiveness & where looks trump everything by a good margin?

The fact that less of them are overweight is a HUGE deal. I'd say 90%+ of men's biggest turnoff is if the woman is overweight



..pun intended lol

Oh, yes context is everything.


If you are an Indian dude EE is actually 10x worse because conservative countries are on average more racist. EE was isolated from the world for 50 years until the end 25-30 years ago. An Indian living in the West is much better off because somewhere a white western girl might be more comfortable because of the established diaspora of British Indians, American Indians etc.

Everything I said was for the white Western Cucks.

I guess you're right, I mean I'm not used to seeing fat people everywhere and I don't know how bad it is in America (it can't be that bad, can it? maybe in certain parts) but you'd still be left with a language barrier and the fact that western men are cucked to chit. Most EE women want a MAN, because that's what they're used to.LMAOOOOO, if you're Indian, then don't even bother.

Idk about that. I swiped around in EE for the lulz when the passport feature of Tinder was free last month and definitely did 100% way better than I do in the US. I actually think that the advantage Indians/Asians have in the US of being relatively wealthy isn't much of an advantage out here, which is why we do worse here than in other places around the world. I'm not saying that I was getting hundreds of matches a day, but I was getting a reasonable number of matches and swipes on me, which doesn't happen in the US (outside of uggos).

Beyond the money thing, I also don't look like a typical, beta Indian dude, which them misc is probably picturing. Yes, I am only 5'7, which sucks, but I've done a lot to max what I got in that I have a muscular frame, dress/groom myself well, and also don't talk/carry myself like a nerd who works in IT (I work in finance too, which helps a lot for beating the stereotypical image). I could be wrong, but I'd imagine I'd do even better if I were actually boots on the ground in the country (i.e. my distance wasn't showing 7K+ miles away lol), knew the language to some extent, and had a social circle out there.

I'm not super blue-pilled and realize that Indians are pretty much bottom-barrel on the totem pole as far as race attractiveness is concerned in most countries regardless, but I also do think certain cultures abroad value things beyond physical appearance, which helps us outside the US. The typical anglosphere countries are already pretty wealthy and women tend to make around as much as guys they hang around anyway, so having money/a good career isn't really as much of a flex/attention grabber as it is in other parts of the world.

Hmm no pics...

Intriguing...

so there are defo girls that think they can push you to sugar daddy them, whereas I would literally punch them and pay off the cop later

the reason why it happens more in EE in terms of less uggos is THE MAIN POINT OF THE FUKKEN THREAD THAT THE PROPORTION OF UGGOS IS MUCH LESS IN EE


I think it comes down to these where you are at a disadvantage:

a) in every culture, the paler you are the more associated you are with landowning aristocrats versus working field peasants; in America you say redneck (sunburnt from working in the fields) to low-class trash

b) Indian brahs get the short stick here, white brahs get benefits in every culture

c) Asian men are on average shorter than white men and most females biologically can't cope with someone shorter than them

that is why the average Dutch brah passes the height requirements for the average Asian girl but an average Asian guy does not pass the average Dutch girls height req

there is nothing inherently less attractive about, say, a Korean guys face compared to a White guy's face from a White woman's persective

this might be due to male biology being more lenient to **** everything that is OK-ish but at least for me a Korean girls face is not inherently less attractive than a white girl's

Indians were technically classified as caucasians, though not sure it ever benefitted them, besides not getting banned from entering the US like the Chinese were back in the day.

Yeah, I don't deny that being short and Indian is a big disadvantage & changing locales somewhere outside of Asia (mostly because of similar cultures and height being less of an issue) won't help a ton in and of itself. My point was moreso that a well-put together Indian dude who isn't autistic (again, I think I fit the bill & am primarily speaking from my limited experience) will on average still do better in EE due to the abundance of supply (which you have stated) but also because of certain socioeconomic factors that are more valuable there than they are in the US.

I think the only part we're disagreeing is whether or not it's culturally easier in the US for brown dudes than abroad. I don't think that's true because the average American white woman will have just as negative a perception of brown dudes as a slav would and is statistically less likely to give the benefit of the doubt for other advantages we may have on average. Ergo, we're worse off here culturally, I'd argue, than abroad, albeit perhaps slightly so.

Weird. I used tinder passport in Germany , Russia and Ukraine. Every 3rd-4th swipe was a match.

Good points, this is something I can agree with you on. Socioeconomics is defo a sought after factor - even if the girl does not want to gold dig. E.g I went to the University of Oxford and have a STEM career built in London, something not that easy to do if you have to start from EE.

One that might be funny for you is to realise that "Asian strict parents" exists in EE. Parents push for academics and career. This is not an Asian thing, it is a thing that happens when a country has only recently developed but was a socioeconomic ****hole 30 years ago (e.g China, EE) etc. Indians,SK, Chinese usually bundle EEs with WEs/NAs as "White people loose things". Although make no mistake, EE is still closer to Western world as we share the culture as white folks.

So in "marry your own socioeconomic class and kill yourself unless doctor-lawyer-engineer"-ing, if India is 1 and USA/West is 10, EE is like 7.

You seem to reason well. So tbh it is not out of the question - especially if she is a bit open-minded. Those are the ones you would want anyways - intelligent with a career.
I just realised something. My ex line manager who was also of the same nationality as me (EE), worked in a large multinational in London, UK and she is engaged to a British Indian dude. She is not a dumbass and is a solid 6/10.


I repped you with a pic of me and my last two lays from my country (that I consider to be 6.5/10 and easy to get for me). You decide how looks matched this is and how much you would give to me. Although this is only my experience which is n=1/
Here defo we need to agree to disagree.

Being around people makes you much more comfortable with them. In the UK and USA, I believe, the most common interracial relationship after White Male - Asian Female is White Female - Black Male. Not sure how that would go down in EE.

Thanks brah! Repped back! I'm always up for civil discussion/exchanging of perspective and glad you're not one of the peeps on here that gets emotional when someone disagrees with them! I don't want to pass judgment on your looks, both because it's not productive and I'm not qualified to do so (no homo hehe), but those girls you got with were at least 8s to me. Looking at my matches, I rarely got girls in that tier, but I did get a reasonable amount of swipes on girls that'd be a bit below that level (i.e. not quite as pretty facially, but at least isn't fat/tatted up like most American women). No matter what, I'm not going to easily get girls online on that level being a brown dude that's also 5'7. My posts are more for in-person because that's where I shine the most.

I think you're definitely right that smart w/ a career or more traditional (ironically) is 100% my type. A great example is I used to live in a major Southeastern city in the US, where folks are more socially conservative. What I found was that it was much harder to for me to have success in online dating within those cities, but I had much better IRL success out there once I started to make friends w/ my coworkers. The negative stereotype of Indians being ****** is definitely a thing and I'm pretty sure most girls in more traditional areas will always be less interested in me at first glance, conscious or not, because of that. Having said that, I've found I can overcome that by not catering to those stereotypes and blending in to wherever I'm at. Once I did that, I found success even in a more "racist" part of the country.

Even funnier though, if a girl is brought up to be more traditional, finds a brown dude that is much more successful monetarily than the average white ex-frat fuccboi that they usually hang out with, and isn't a stereotypical weirdo that works in IT and can't relate to American culture, suddenly those negative perceptions based on race go out the window and they're really into me. The problem is that I need social proofing, which I get by hanging with a mostly white crew, but without that, it'd def be harder. Again, I don't know if that's true of people in the EE, but that's just a dynamic I noticed in the US when I was trying to meet people.

With career-oriented Asian/Indian girls though, unless they're hung up on my lack of height, it's like shooting fish in a barrel for me because I check all their boxes pretty much instantly and offer decent looks, which is something most brown dudes don't do a good job of taking care of.

There's a lot of countries where matching is easy but then you often hit a brick wall like the woman doesn't know English or she literally ghosts you. Slavic women have one of the worst reputations for ghosting (ghosting only happens once you have an initial contact of some sort).

What's funny is I provided evidence in form of over a dozen YouTubers. Guys who are mainly normies, some higher (Harald Baldr looks more fit than the typical Slav guy) and some lower (Viking Traveler) and they're all struggling in EE.

Whereas we have these armchair generals who live in USA / Australia and claim they're an expert on Eastern Europe (lmao) and provide zero evidence beyond "just trust me brah it's White South East Asia".

Isn't this like a straw man or is it another term? Don't think anyone here at any point are talking about Indian guys. Indian guys would just be mistaken for beta Gypsies in EE. Indian guys should juts be going to Bangladesh lol.

Lol at going to europe for pussy when colombia and brazil exists

I repped you with a pic of me and my last two lays that were easy for me, you decide.

If you can look past the crime I believe it's easier to immigrate to Colombia and Brazil than it is to Ukraine. Although I heard rumors Ukraine and Russia are adopting a $100K investor visa soon but if you're typical American doesn't have $600 for an emergency how will they apply? lol.

But American guys can get the 3 year visa to Russia where you do border runs every 6 months (if IIRC). Which is how I think most American men spend a lot of time there. If you're British, Australian or Canada then you're chit out of luck Russia don't want you.

Prime minister. Srs
Curious

He was quoting me, dawg. Me and atgbrahsrs were trading perspectives on brown brah dating problems and how to overcome them.

Same woman twice. Flat chest and weak chin. The photo doesn't tell me whether she's non-prostitutes / non-guide. You know I put guide advertisement on Tinder in Ukraine and a dozen women sign up because everyone is so broke as phuck there?

Nor evidence you had sex with her. And even if you did have sex with her: why spend $3,000 just for one lay when that could had funded 6 B-tier $500 escorts in USA?

Really it's prostitution if you're paying airlines and hotels and Jestermaxxing Slavic girls just for a whiff of pussy. You could just stay at home and order a B-tier escort right to your door and she would have larger tits than the image you sent me.

Yeah man I'm not having the easiest day. Then I saw your post.

Yeah I don't know where is good for Indian men in the world.

I think it's Thailand / Philippines but you're still only going to get a fraction that a white guy gets. And you can't be Indian Indian. A woman moving from Thailand / Philippines to India is a literal downgrade unless your family are Indian oligarchs.

Confirmation bias + copes = clarity accurate thinking killers srs


and that makes sense, I had this discussion with a Thai guy who legit asked me why can I bang so many Chinese/Korean/Viet/Thai/Malaysian girls in London, and I explained that is only has to do with these things:

a) white guys taller on average and fit the height req of asian women, vice versa genders + race switched is not true and is a killer for a lot of women; men dont care whether a girl is just below their eyes or just below their chests, whatever sucks the dick tbh

b) asian women in white-majority statistically would have more white orbiters and statistically would be more likely dating a white guy

c) I appeal a lot to Chinese and SK because I feel I come in a very IDEAL middle ground, it comes in two aspects

1) they have an illusion that I am a "rare white guy" because I care about "family values, career, being a strong male" so I am not a degenerate and they are supprised a white guy is so serious, they dont know the leftover culture in EE, and I never explain this to them because it is counterproductive

2) I am conservative but never a suffocating boyfriend = this is a confirmation biased perspective from bed talk after laying some chinese women and they said some boyfriends want them to dress very nicely whereas IDC about this and literally snugging in Hyde Park London with a Korean girl who had normal pitch black hair (not spend a lot to look white) tied back and her university hoodie with jeans and sneakers on was one of the best moments of my life. I dont want her to dress upp blahblah. They feel really low maintenance with me. All that matters is how they look naked.
brutal, it is what I am saying = the proportion of hotties is simply more as percentage of population

Bro I am 24, all my family is in EE, I left EE when I was 19 and go back there 2x a year, I go to visit my mates and family; I know the ins and outs of that country hahahhah I am a NATIVE

Only thing I truly believe is that anyone can havve better luck here DUE TO PROPORTION OF HBBS relative POP, which IS TANGIBLY INFERIOR IN THE WEST

I always thought it was easier to get East Asian girls in Western Countries than in their actual homeland. Because there's probably a liberal bias (they chose to emigrate) and they see a local man as a way to #1. improve English #2. gain status in the society (who gives a phuck about status? But apparently Asians do. Hence why they borrow money to buy luxury cars, lol).

I met and banged several Taiwanese women in the west. But in actual Taiwan I did worse with Taiwanese girls and my Tinder / Bumble was full of White Latinas (which ironically are hard to bang in Latin America - very few American men are banging Paisas / Criollas in Latin America but I was banging Criollas in Taiwan!!)