Yeah they’ll let us know the DNA vaccines like AstraZeneca and J&J aren’t as safe and effective

But the MRNA vaccines, according to the experts, are near perfect?

anti vaxxers btfo...

The Hungarian inventor created this mrna process in 1990 but couldn't get funding.
She was just interviewed Sunday and explained how it works in detail. She is at Penn.

CDC: Death Toll Following Experimental COVID Injections Now at 4,434 – More than 21 Years of Recorded Vaccine Deaths from VAERS

https://vaccineimpact.com/2021/cdc-d...hs-from-vaers/

Only about 1% of adverse reactions get reported to VAERS, per a Harvard study.

So probably around 300-400k actualy deaths from the covid-19 jab so far. That number is prob going to climb even more within the coming months.

and MSM says only 6 people got blood clots
How can people even believe a single word coming out from media's mouths anymore at this point?

just a reminder I made a thread about this before but I am going to post this here again

I wonder what Adam + the other unpaid test subjects for pfizer ITT think about this video.

Remember, Pfizer has 100% legal immunity if you experience any life injuries or even death after getting the pfizer jab.
You can never sue them or get any money out of them.
Maybe the government will, but they will only pay you out from tax-payer's money, so Pfizer will never have to deal with any consequences from injuring/killing you.
Just remember that, lol.

hey Ben, I asked this earlier:

- Do you think there are responsible groups looking into the safety of the vaccine?
- If they found something, would it be widely and honestly reported?
- Is there a chance someone might eschew responsibility or blame something else if there were harms caused or increased by the vaccine?
- Do you think Dr. Fauci would forgo millions of dollars with his patents on the Moderna vaccine if there were dangers associated with it?
- Do you think if there are looming issues with these vaccines some people might try to shift blame and suggest it's the fault of non-vaccinated people which caused 'mutations' to harm vaccinated people?
- Do you think there is currently censorship around the open discussion of vaccines?

Thanks, we often disagree but you never struck me as insane. I'm curious about your answers.

https://www.bitchute.com/channel/s97s1Vw7Yhfo/

Many of you may remember Shawn's story. She went viral on social media 4 months ago, recounting her experience with the Moderna vaccine which involved partial paralyis, constant tremours and convulsions. Her story was subsequently removed by ********, and fact checked by several "independent" "fact" checking websites as "false". Here is the latest update on her story. She is now suffering from seizures. Her condition has only worsened. She was bullied into receiving the vaccine by her workplace and they have shown no remorse nor offered her any assistance or acknowledgement of her severe injuries. Her life has been completely destroyed by the vaccine. Not only is it NOT effective - it is FAR from safe

So much for the theory that rich and powerful people get a fake vaccine or fake needle I guess?

I wasn’t really on board with that particular theory in the first place, however, who is the king of Thailand to dictators Biden and Harris? An obstacle? A nobody? What does he have to offer to the globalist agenda?

READ THE SCIENCE GUYS!!!

Fukk brah, I’ve never heard about that one. Those poor families are going to continue to suffer long after that lawsuit is finalized.

King of thailand is basically a nobody to the zionist elites. Pretty sure the Guy also has downsyndrome.
basically a braindead puppet figure head who is hated by everyone in thailand. I doubt he gets to join any briefing meetings with the illuminati group.

This alone should be alarming. Sure, these cases aren't verified as of yet but they shouldn't be simply dismissed either. Maybe it is getting reported more due to how politicized the vaccine has become but it's still likely being heavily under reported. And more than 21 years of recorded vaccine deaths should also be concerning.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

As per the CDC site, if you are 18-49 years old, you have a 0.05% chance of dying to the virus. However, the average person does not lift, exercise or live a healthy lifestyle. Also, 18-49 years old is a wide age range and there's a huge difference between somebody who is in their 20s vs somebody in their 40s as far risk goes.

So, let's just say the average 20 something your old has a 0.025% chance of dying. Also per this threadhttps://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=180142853, I mentioned a study which shows that a moderately fit person reduces their chances of dying by about 57% and that obese people are 48% more likely to die of the virus. Since the CDC aggergates everybody including healthy people, let's just be conservative and say 40% reduction. This is about a 0.015% chance of dying. This also doesn't include other co-morbidities and health problems.

As per the CDC website, 4000+ reported deaths is about 0.0017%. The risk would be 9x less getting the vaccine let's say, discounting the fact that even when vaccinated you can still catch covid and die. However as mentioned, the VAERS according to a Harvard study vastly under reports adverse reactions and deaths.

Now, I'm not prepared to say 0.17% of the population taking the vaccine dies. 450K people dying from a vaccine in 5 months is pretty crazy to me. However, even if 11% of deaths are reported under VAERS, this would match the risk profile of a virus versus covid 19 for a young, fit and healthy person.

However, you would have to catch COVID-19 first and foremost, versus actually getting the vaccine. So really, time will tell.

I generally refrain from participating in this **** show of lunacy and bidirectional misinformation but thank you for bringing logic and statistics to the discussion. Now when we think beyond the individual and over the course of time we essentially add two more dimensions to this discussion as well which is driving (or should be driving) the strategy. ie: if the virus is left unmitigated the likelihood of any one person getting it at least once could asymptotically approach 100%. Then we overlay the societal and moral element that if all individuals who deem themselves capable of battling COVID successfully refrain from taking the vaccine the risk of any other individual in the pool subsequently increases and we have a very complex mess to navigate.

But clearly that isn't going to be discussed here (or frankly anywhere) so to you I thank you for your insight anyhow...

Well, the alleged 'trick' was that rich or powerful people can simply get a 'fake' vaccine.

He, at LEAST, would have enough money to buy one if that is the idea we're going with.

Man gives details on what's going on with the vax passports in Israel right now

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cz3nDoirsmvi/

Im not a sensitive person, but I appreciate your concern.

Adam is referring to my post here
They're basically telling us that 60-70% of hospitalizations + deaths from "covid-19" this august-december will be coming from those who get both doses of the covid-19 vax.

They even attribute the deaths/hospitalizations on "immunization failures" illnesses which makes the vaccines look even worse, but then shift the blame from the obvious toxicity/ inefectiveness of vaccines to the old age/weakness of the "at-rsk" groups. So the government is saying "We know tons of people who got both doses of the vax will start dying, but don't worry, it's because the people who got both doses first were already weak/old anyway.. so the immunization didn't work on them... and they actually got sicker from them and died. heheh"

Make sense?? of course it doesn't.
Because they'll die from the 2 doses ofPOISONthat was created to euthanize their asses, not from their old age/weaknesses or the fictional covid-19 virus.

Think about it,if it was really old age/weakness of at the risk groups that will be the cause for 60-70% the hospitalizations/deaths from covid this coming august-december , shouldn't the the unvaxxed, not the double dosed vaxxed at risk groups comprise the majority of the deaths/hospitalizations?


So they're basically getting ready for the heat that's coming for them, but they'll refer you back to this document to let you know--- "SEE WE TOLD U many people who got both doses of the covid-19 vax were gonna die of "covid-19" before it would happen, but don't owrry, it's because these people were already at risk/ old/weak anyway and they just couldn't handle the "immunization failure illnesses' from the covid-19 vaccines!!" PLS CONTINUE TO GET UR VAX AND DON'T WORRY, OK?!!

Again, it's an attempt at mental gymnastics by the government to confuse the reader and make them believe it's never the vaccines fault, but the old/weak people's fault for dying/being hospitalized.

As far as I know, their legal immunity only last a certain number of years (4, i believe)

Yeah you're right, I guess if we are assessing this over say a lifetime, or maybe say a decade, a society without a vaccine and lockdown measures, then sure, the likelihood of somebody catching the virus creeps closer to 100%. However I would argue by then we would likely have a better grasp of the virus, and better/more readily available treatments so deaths are minimized.

Also, I'm sure many people would lump me with the anti-vaxxers. But it was never my position that nobody should ever get the vaccine under any circumstances and have zero measures in place. I just think it should be a choice that they make for themselves or have conversations with their doctors. I think old people, those with co-morbidities and overall unhealthy people should get the vaccine. In America that is like 50% of the population right there.

So I don't think a zero mitigation strategy was really a consideration because that would entail zero vaccines and zero safety measures. Like I said I'm more supportive of vaccination of at-risk populations and for those who want to get it. And measures in place to help protect vulnerable populations. Given this, I don't think the likelihood of somebody actually getting the virus would reach even close to 100%.

I've noted throughout this thread -- you do see some people fighting against the narrative that the vaccines are known to be bad (and honestly, right now, who knows - it's all a guessing game whether you think they're safe or not)...

... but I haven't seen any takers on this one yet. Someone to take the charge and explain to me why healthy, young or otherwise not at-risk people need to take a questionable vaccine.

One guy, some red insect iirc, was very quick to come in here screaming and calling people rednecks and foolish anti-science types -- I asked them to address even 1/3 of those 18 points.

Silence.

None of these "TRUST THE SCIENCE!" types can articulate to me why *everyone*, or even just me as an individual, should consider getting this vaccine.

Any takers? Or are you just going to take the easy route and only argue against the notion that the vaccines are part of some conspiracy which really can't be proven one way or the other (btw, burden of proof is on the accusers, so this is a really easy position to take to begin with).

Does anyone want to go through that list (one that parrots a lot of what I already thought but also goes deeper in many areas)?

I can’t wait to lie to everyone. Did you get the vaccine?

Sure I did. I got all of them twice and will get a booster shot every month because I want to save grandma and flatten the curve.

I'll comment on some of them, but this isn't me calling you 'wrong'... just my responses/thoughts:


#1: VACCINE MAKERS ARE IMMUNE FROM LIABILITY
Not forever though. Their protection, from what I've seen, only lasts until 2024. But yes, this is a concern, for sure...

#2: THE CHECKERED PAST OF THE VACCINE COMPANIES
A reasonable detail for concern, of course. My only real response on this is that it doesn't necessarily mean the vaccines is useless, dangerous, or not effective. Terrible companies can actually produce good and safe products. If anything, I think the reason I would see this as a good point is simply how hard they're pushing the idea of it's safety. It's kind of like being a fake natty: only fake natties feel the need to constantly reassure people they're natty.

#3: THE UGLY HISTORY OF ATTEMPTS TO MAKE CORONAVIRUS VACCINES
I'm actually not read up on this one so I cannot comment.

#4: THE "DATA GAPS" SUBMITTED TO THE FDA BY THE VACCINE MAKERS
Also not aware of this one.

#5: NO ACCESS TO THE RAW DATA FROM THE TRIALS
Not aware of this, but I'm not sure it would effect my decision personally. If we're going to criticize the companies for being not trustworthy, then I would think someone with an anti-pharma mindset coming in would likely claim they just fakes raw data, too. It's hard to convince people anything is contrary to what they already spent months or years building up a believe system in support of.

#6: NO LONG-TERM SAFETY TESTING
A fair concern. I have no argument on that really. The only thing I would say alongside it is that we also have limited knowledge of long-term COVID effects, but from what we DO know, it seems that the medium-term issues from COVID are worse than the short-term effects from the vaccine.

#7: NO INFORMED CONSENT
Hate to admit I don't know much about this one.

#8: UNDER-REPORTING OF ADVERSE REACTIONS AND DEATH
Well, on the other hand, I would say we also have underreporting or representation of people who have basically zero effects from it. It's kind of like when people review restaurants: most of the reviews are from people who are pissed off; people who just go along with their lives (hundreds of millions of them) don't usually bother talking about it.

#9: THE VACCINES DO NOT STOP TRANSMISSION OR INFECTION
If this is a statement about it being <100% effective, then I'm afraid no vaccine can ever 'stop transmission or infection'. 95% reduction is better than 0% without a vaccine.

#10: PEOPLE ARE CATCHING COVID AFTER BEING FULLY VACCINATED
Again, 5% risk of getting it; it's a known thing.

#11: THE OVERALL DEATH RATE FROM COVID
I'm concerned about more than 'dying' from covid: long term lung scarring, losing my taste/smell, heart issues, missing work, generally getting sick for weeks.... I never thought I would DIE from it.

#12: THE BLOATED COVID DEATH NUMBERS
See #11

#13: FAUCI AND SIX OTHERS AT NIAID OWN PATENTS IN THE MODERNA VACCINE
Don't know much about this.

#14: FAUCI IS ON THE HOT SEAT FOR ILLEGAL GAIN-OF-FUNCTION RESEARCH
Don't know much about this.

#15: THE VIRUS CONTINUES TO MUTATE
True... and boosters do sound crappy.

#16: CENSORSHIP...AND THE COMPLETE ABSENCE OF SCIENTIFIC DEBATE
This I do agree with 100%. The people who say "TRUST THE SCIENCE!" are by definition anti-science; science is about questioning what you see, and testing it over and over.

#17: THE WORLD'S LEADING VACCINOLOGIST IS SOUNDING THE ALARM...
Dunno anything about this.

#18: I ALREADY HAD COVID
This right here is your best argument IMO =o)

good post, thanks, I figured if anyone would take up the mantle, it'd been you.

The article linked actually does go into more detail with those points you were less knowledgeable of, if you care to bother. On #14, Rand Paul recently grilled Fauci on this one, the media didn't widely report on it but I think there could be a chance this story might come back at some point. It's actually quite big and awful (cliff notes: Fauci was funding research in Wuhan doing research on creating novel viruses in labs to study them; it was suspended previously because of how dangerous and stupid it was, but Fauci used backdoor channels to fund the Wuhan lab anyway).

https://www.deconstructingconvention...-covid-vaccineHyperlinks throughout this, if you go and check it out.

On the highlighted point, current (censored) virologists and epidemiologists have said this about the current vaccines. And, this isn't a conspiracy, the reactions happened already, just with previous failed attempts to create vaccines like this for other coronaviruses.

If this happens, that for some people they end up more vulnerable to covid and there is a cytokine storm in their bodies, their own immune systems tear them apart -- this won't look much different than normal covid. That's kind of what happens already with some who have weak immune systems (elderly, obese, all the people dying).

Does anyone who is pro-vaccine or who isn't buying what the OP is selling -- If this happens, AS IT ALREADY HAS with other attempts, do you feel confident the media, big pharm and big tech, do you think they will tell the truth and admit it was a reaction to the vaccine...

... Or do you think they will blame this on a 'super mutation' or a new deadly strain created because not enough people got vaccinated?

Be honest.

Pretty much same for me lol, I've participated in a lot of heated discussions before but it's the first time I've been negged this much just by posting a differing opinion, my usercp was full in like 2 days and it's all coming from this thread. inb4 I'm crying about the negs lol nah I dont care about the negs itself, but it's proof to me that people ITT are very emotional, almost to the point like being against covid vaccine is their religion and you shouldnt criticize it at all cost. I've seen some discussions on religion before to know that it's time to gtfo when people are too emotional.

I only really stayed for a bit because of this comment:
And I posted my views and discussed what I know, if people here dont buy it, then they dont.

I dont really care, get the vaccine or not, all of this is just so lulzy for me lmao. Specially those who would rather face the dangers of living in the wild than take a vaccine lmaoooo