craziest thing is you talk about it/bring it up you are labeled a ...


wait for it..



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loser virgin who can't get girls.

the most emasculating thing you can be deemed despite all the WOKE rhetoric...women still want the same biological factors they wanted 50 years ago except EVEN more now with social media. And for those of you who simply call it a "******* " thread....you probably do get laid but not by anyone/thing even marginally attractive or you dismiss people to falsely elevate yourself/head in the sand the problem.

false

most boyfriends are just buying them food, gifts and listening to them whine about guys or girls that upset them. in hopes of getting a handjob once on Valentine’s Day and on their birthday. I’m in my prime and can’t even get a 50+ year old obese female, with aids, to save my life


it’s over

^^^

I know you wholeheartedly believe this. But you're wrong. You can prove it to yourself pretty easily. Go to a county fair or a concert this summer. Look around and you'll notice tons of young people, men and women. Keep watching them and you'll see them hugging, kissing, holding hands. Doing couples things. And then notice that some of the guys are hot, some are ugly, and some are average. And they are ALL getting laid. You, and incels like you are the exception, not the rule. The vast majority of young people date and have sex with people they find attractive. Do the above and you'll prove it to yourself.

The problem isn't the world, modern women or society. The problem is you.
Your prime is likely still trash. I'm barely above-average looking and I do well because I'm funny, confident and have a good job. What do you have going on in your life? You seem like a loser to me, and probably seem like a loser to women. Hence you not getting laid with women your own age. Sad that you're wasting your prime years mad at the world when the real problem is you.

Im better than you bro at every facet of life

Just laugh it off bro this is where no avi incels come to larp and let off steam. Let them have their release.

I remember once talking to some guy in his 60s. he said he couldn't believe how high medical expenses because all he saw were healthy people.

I asked him to explain.

I swear he said this...."every time I go to my gym (coincidentally planet fitness which is also cheap membership/high volume)....I can't find parking or a treadmill because it is so busy".

I was speechless. Of course if you go to a fuking gym you are going to get the wrong idea about the physical health of a society. Same with you. You should have also mentioned that I should visit restaurants on Valentines Day and notice how many couples are there...thus I have no excuse to be single.

Cliffs:

There is a huge undercurrent you are missing. it is a simpletons' mistake. This happens with almost every facet of life. In your defense, this type of confirmation bias does keep one happy similar to "my grandpa smoked a pack a day and lived to be 100".

BTW: there is PLENTY OF DATA confirming what I said not anecdotal muh observations at the State Fair hurr durr that you mention.

But we don't need to use anecdotes. The data posted by you losers shows that virginity is not rising, and that it may actually be decreasing. Just because you know a bunch of loser incels online and IRL doesn't make it a national trend. You need to up your game and become valuable and attractive to women if you actually want to get laid by decent chicks.

just curious why any conversation about male-virginity is banned, dismissed, censored across the entire internet. Even studies by academics have been attacked as being misogynistic and calls for firings. you cannot post anything (even here obviously) or you are called whiny.

And contrarily which i wholeheartedly support, why would an average woman fuk an average-looking guy if she could fuk a better looking guy relative to here with the swipe of a thumb? She is making a rational choice but it doesn't bode well for the vast number of men.

think about that. Why can't you talk about it? what makes it so dangerous? The fact that so many men suddenly realize they are not alone (pun intended)?


Cliffs: 2012


btw: you dispel the use of data, but most peoples observations are in-line with the data. in fact, that is why you get so many "water is wet" replies in these threads.

No, I encourage the use of data - anecdotes are not useful when trying to identify a society-wide trend. Prove that the average man isn't getting laid and that male virginity is significantly increasing - the above studies were conflicting because there is no nationwide trend proving these things. In fact, they've been disproven.

misc made me believe that i'd be incel for life because im autistic and have no social life or game. but now im starting to think inceldom is a meme. met a girl off tinder by sending her a happy face and asking her out. i told her i have no friends and hire prostitutes and had a really awkward date where we were barely making eye contact or talking. she still wanted my dick and wants to keep seeing me after 2 ,horrible by misc standards, dates. women are actually so easy lol.

do you know how i got laid? not game. i said "do you want to have sex?"


get off the misc and you'll realize it's all mentally ill losers who are living in a fantasy land.

Maybe in white and asian males, but black dudes are getting laid like never before. If you black and you aint capitalizing on this white guilt chicks you are a fool strike while the iron is hot.

There is a direct connection between the loss of virility and many social and mental problems of men today

This. Women are horny as fuk and want to let their inner sloot out. Just give them the opportunity

Pics or we assume she's a 5/10 single mom boyo

I'm a Chad and i have no idea how the bottom 80% are doing it

she's a 5/10 and so am i. not a single mom lol

Just read through this thread and my thoughts are that, as usual, the answer lies in the middle. I think it's hard to deny that online dating and social media have had a negative impact on the dating lives of many guys and inflated womens' standards. That said, I also think the meme of "yOu HaV3 tO b3 a Ch4d 2 gEt LaiD" is stupid and toxic too.

I'm probably only about a 6.5 RL standards (aka probably a 4/10 misc standards), yet even I have managed to date, hookup with, etc. women in the 6-8 range. Yeah, I'm not going to knock most girls' panties off if they look at me and that makes it harder, but I've also worked on other aspects of myself/personality to give me a puncher's chance. I have a great job, know how to conversate/get along with people, etc., which helps increase my attractiveness even though I'll never be a male model looks-wise.

My advice to the misc brahs is either learn to approach IRL or find a crew you can go out with that aren't afraid to be social/meet other women. I'm not the greatest at cold approaching and certainly get jack chit through OLD but have done well when I hang out with my friends who either know other single women or are better at approaching than I am. Plus, having a good crew makes you stand out/seem like less of a creep, which obviously makes it even easier.

Cliffs: Both sides are right to some extent, but the best advice is stop using apps/technology to meet hoes and either become friends with non-losers who hang out with girls or learn to cold approach. Further, if you're not hot, get the other parts of your life together while you learn to talk to women IRL.

I dont think OP is trying to say average or ugly guys cant get laid sometimes, but that its a measurable fact men are more often virgins or get little sex if any, compared to in the past. The studies werent that obscure they had stuff from the WP. The question is why?

Im not a incel, but to be honest over the last few years the easiness to get laid has got worse, especially online. I know people personally that are virgins, and many guys who just settled with a girl whos just fat and unattractive. I think the pandemic has made all the problems with dating/online dating worse for most men, the only ones benefiting are those who got laid super easily before in the first place.

I feel like he is or is at least implying it when he's saying "male virginity is rising". Unless I'm wrong, virginity to me means you've never had sex before or haven't had it since X timeframe, which means he's essentially saying that average guys don't get laid at all (i.e. not even sometimes). I also kind of agreed when I said that me not being conventionally attractive or tall definitely hurts me and makes it harder than in days past.

That said, there is something to be said for avoiding OLD where women are like kids in a candy store with us average-looking guys being the broccoli in the back of the shop. If you have other chit going for you, you can still stand out/have a chance, which is actually I think what the dude in the video he posted said too. In my case, girls won't instantly get wet looking at me, but I've developed other aspects of myself, such as being in solid shape (not misc avi-worthy, but way, way better than most people), have an excellent, high-paying job, and have developed my social skills to get along w/ people who are outgoing and complement my more introverted personality. If someone like me, who would be considered disgusting by most miscers if they saw my picture, can do it, just about anyone can because the bar isn't nearly as high as incels make it seem. Literally just takes a modicum of effort (i.e. working out and eating healthy on weekdays, being more relaxed on weekends).