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06-11-2021, 06:44 AM
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06-11-2021, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted By messomi⏩
Well seeing that they had data that the vaccine concentrated in the ovaries that seems like the least they could do.I haven't read anything but I clearly remember they told women to not get pregnant if you had taken the vaccine you had to wait I think it was 2 weeks or something.
Around 1:25:
The peer reviewed ivermectin meta-analysis done by Tess Holiday is mentioned again. Panel is speaking of how vile it is that an effective treatment [or two] has been withheld from the public.
Bret says that at the end of the day, even if you thought the datawasambiguous that there would be no reason not to administer a safe drug. "We are literally sending people home without txmt, where they go and sit with the people they live with, when there is a perfectly safe drug..."
Malone interjects "It's worse. We are sending them home and saying don't come back until your lips are blue. It's not sick, it's hypoxic. It's that your blood oxygen [this is turning the dial up on sick, this is severe sick] lips are blue equals oxygen saturation of high 80s. That's way sick."
[Malone praises Kirsch for the studies he has funded and leadership he has provided re:research on fluvoxamine, and for championing ivermectin.]
Malone says that despite this information we have [effective drugs for txmt] that it still policy in our hospitals that when someone feels sick enough to go to the ER with COVID we tell them that they should just go home if their oxygen levels haven't fallen to a critical level.
Weinstein adds that this is without giving you a drug that would make you get better AND could be administered to your family to prevent them from becoming ill. [ivermectin]
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06-11-2021, 07:46 AM
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OT: Around 1:57 Kirsch proposes a system to capture the medical outcomes of physicians and patients.
Malone replies "The comment that you made about setting up a system to enable the capture of patient recorded outcomes and physician reported outcomes on a national or global basis is a profound statement. We have nothing like that. My friends at the FDA also came to that conclusion and they are frustrated because it doesn't exist. And, we have, you come from the Silicone Valley culture, and that culture gives us as a nation some incredible tools including machine learning, artificial intelligence.That if we were to set up a system, as you're proposing, to enable distributive capture of primary reports from practicing physicians and then apply our amazing toolkit now for analysis of that, it is probably one of the strongest things that we could do to that would have the lowest cost in terms of being able to identify and discriminate signalling noise from novel interventions."
That is some infrastructure spending I would be happy to support even though it isn't roads and bridges. I generally am against "big data" and a strong supporter of privacy.
But beyond COVID and novel interventions imagine what we could learn about various diseases and txmts and how different types of patients respond?
What if some drugs work better in women than in men? Or for people with Type O blood vs. Type A or Type B?
With electronic record keeping the data is out there for physicians, just need to loop in patients more effectively.
Malone replies "The comment that you made about setting up a system to enable the capture of patient recorded outcomes and physician reported outcomes on a national or global basis is a profound statement. We have nothing like that. My friends at the FDA also came to that conclusion and they are frustrated because it doesn't exist. And, we have, you come from the Silicone Valley culture, and that culture gives us as a nation some incredible tools including machine learning, artificial intelligence.That if we were to set up a system, as you're proposing, to enable distributive capture of primary reports from practicing physicians and then apply our amazing toolkit now for analysis of that, it is probably one of the strongest things that we could do to that would have the lowest cost in terms of being able to identify and discriminate signalling noise from novel interventions."
That is some infrastructure spending I would be happy to support even though it isn't roads and bridges. I generally am against "big data" and a strong supporter of privacy.
But beyond COVID and novel interventions imagine what we could learn about various diseases and txmts and how different types of patients respond?
What if some drugs work better in women than in men? Or for people with Type O blood vs. Type A or Type B?
With electronic record keeping the data is out there for physicians, just need to loop in patients more effectively.
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06-11-2021, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme⏩
woman have miscarriages more than you'd think to begin with, it's about 20% of the time as is in woman who know they are pregnant and almost 50% in woman who don't even know they are pregnant or haven't missed a menstrual cycle. (according to google)Wait, so is this saying that 82% of pregnant women who have had the vaccine are having miscarriages?
I’m not getting the vaccine, but that seems pretty dubious.
I’m not getting the vaccine, but that seems pretty dubious.
80% does sound high though.
06-11-2021, 08:02 AM
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Panel discusses that hospitals have two disincentives to prescribe an existing drug like ivermectin for COVID. Say that as the drug isn't specifically approved for use for COVID by the NIH or FDA that using it open the hospital up to potential legal liability. Also that giving a patient a very expensive medication is more lucrative than giving a patient a very inexpensive medication.
IF YOU ARE A COVID LONG HAULER OR KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS:
Around the 2:00 point Kirsch speaks about a drug that he refers to as a precursor to remesdevir calledGS441524 which one long hauler claims got her feeling back to normal within 3 days of taking it. Prior to that she had been suffering symptoms of long haul COVID for 6 months. Kirsch says that Gilead is doing nothing, though this drug is safer and easier to produce than remesdevir.
IF YOU ARE A COVID LONG HAULER OR KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS:
Around the 2:00 point Kirsch speaks about a drug that he refers to as a precursor to remesdevir calledGS441524 which one long hauler claims got her feeling back to normal within 3 days of taking it. Prior to that she had been suffering symptoms of long haul COVID for 6 months. Kirsch says that Gilead is doing nothing, though this drug is safer and easier to produce than remesdevir.
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06-11-2021, 08:10 AM
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intredasting, OP what do you mean by what you posted below?
- we have no problem with MRNA vaccines
- the fact that the spike protein cleaves off the cell and goes anywhere and everywhere in the body is the problem
if spike proteins cleave off the cell and go anywhere wouldn't that imply there is a problem with vaccine?
with that said, I've heard arguments against VAERS that go something like this:
- well anybody can report vaccine related injuries on the system
- any adverse events doesn't mean it was due to the vaccine at all
- vaccine is heavily politicized so conspiracy theorists are just reporting anything/lying
I think some of that could be good points, but it's just strange how they just immediately dismiss it outright as misinformation, much like the covid lab-leak theory. While I don't think 99% of adverse events go unreported (according to a past Harvard study) and therefore 99% of deaths due to vaccine are unreported (I think it's probably getting reported a bit more now), it in all likelihood is probably unreported, to what degree I don't know, and how many of them are actual deaths due to the vaccine, I don't know either. What if these are actually legit deaths due to the vaccine? A spike in adverse reaction reports is slightly concerning, or maybe they are all just liars? Which I find hard to believe. Even if it is "just 100 deaths", other vaccines have been cancelled for less than that. On an individual level, that's possibly a person that would have probably lived but felt compelled and coerced to take it.
I honestly don't know a whole lot about VAERS so anybody have cliff notes on how legit it is or how the reporting system actually works?
- we have no problem with MRNA vaccines
- the fact that the spike protein cleaves off the cell and goes anywhere and everywhere in the body is the problem
if spike proteins cleave off the cell and go anywhere wouldn't that imply there is a problem with vaccine?
with that said, I've heard arguments against VAERS that go something like this:
- well anybody can report vaccine related injuries on the system
- any adverse events doesn't mean it was due to the vaccine at all
- vaccine is heavily politicized so conspiracy theorists are just reporting anything/lying
I think some of that could be good points, but it's just strange how they just immediately dismiss it outright as misinformation, much like the covid lab-leak theory. While I don't think 99% of adverse events go unreported (according to a past Harvard study) and therefore 99% of deaths due to vaccine are unreported (I think it's probably getting reported a bit more now), it in all likelihood is probably unreported, to what degree I don't know, and how many of them are actual deaths due to the vaccine, I don't know either. What if these are actually legit deaths due to the vaccine? A spike in adverse reaction reports is slightly concerning, or maybe they are all just liars? Which I find hard to believe. Even if it is "just 100 deaths", other vaccines have been cancelled for less than that. On an individual level, that's possibly a person that would have probably lived but felt compelled and coerced to take it.
I honestly don't know a whole lot about VAERS so anybody have cliff notes on how legit it is or how the reporting system actually works?
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06-11-2021, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
The panel as a group says that they do not have a problem with Mrna vaccinesin general. However, based on what they are seeing they believe that this vaccine isn't actually "safe" in accordance with the usual standards for a safe vaccine. Quoting my post above:intredasting, OP what do you mean by what you posted below?
- we have no problem with MRNA vaccines
- the fact that the spike protein cleaves off the cell and goes anywhere and everywhere in the body is the problem
if spike proteins cleave off the cell and go anywhere wouldn't that imply there is a problem with vaccine?
with that said, I've heard arguments against VAERS that go something like this:
- well anybody can report vaccine related injuries on the system
- any adverse events doesn't mean it was due to the vaccine at all
- vaccine is heavily politicized so conspiracy theorists are just reporting anything/lying
I think some of that could be good points, but it's just strange how they just immediately dismiss it outright as misinformation, much like the covid lab-leak theory. While I don't think 99% of adverse events go unreported (according to a past Harvard study) and therefore 99% of deaths due to vaccine are unreported (I think it's probably getting reported a bit more now), it in all likelihood is probably unreported, to what degree I don't know, and how many of them are actual deaths due to the vaccine, I don't know either. What if these are actually legit deaths due to the vaccine? A spike in adverse reaction reports is slightly concerning, or maybe they are all just liars? Which I find hard to believe. Even if it is "just 100 deaths", other vaccines have been cancelled for less than that. On an individual level, that's possibly a person that would have probably lived but felt compelled and coerced to take it.
I honestly don't know a whole lot about VAERS so anybody have cliff notes on how legit it is or how the reporting system actually works?
- we have no problem with MRNA vaccines
- the fact that the spike protein cleaves off the cell and goes anywhere and everywhere in the body is the problem
if spike proteins cleave off the cell and go anywhere wouldn't that imply there is a problem with vaccine?
with that said, I've heard arguments against VAERS that go something like this:
- well anybody can report vaccine related injuries on the system
- any adverse events doesn't mean it was due to the vaccine at all
- vaccine is heavily politicized so conspiracy theorists are just reporting anything/lying
I think some of that could be good points, but it's just strange how they just immediately dismiss it outright as misinformation, much like the covid lab-leak theory. While I don't think 99% of adverse events go unreported (according to a past Harvard study) and therefore 99% of deaths due to vaccine are unreported (I think it's probably getting reported a bit more now), it in all likelihood is probably unreported, to what degree I don't know, and how many of them are actual deaths due to the vaccine, I don't know either. What if these are actually legit deaths due to the vaccine? A spike in adverse reaction reports is slightly concerning, or maybe they are all just liars? Which I find hard to believe. Even if it is "just 100 deaths", other vaccines have been cancelled for less than that. On an individual level, that's possibly a person that would have probably lived but felt compelled and coerced to take it.
I honestly don't know a whole lot about VAERS so anybody have cliff notes on how legit it is or how the reporting system actually works?
Weinstein replies that it is becoming clear to clinicians that COVID, long haul COVID, and post-vaccine syndrome are closely related because the spike protein is shared between all of these.
Malone says that is a valid working hypothesis for what is occuring.
Malone is known as an inventor of "DNA vaccination", which was the effort to apply gene therapy technology to virus prevention.Malone says that is a valid working hypothesis for what is occuring.
The inference from early in the podcast was that the creators of these vaccines used some type of tool [membrane] which was supposed to keep the spike protein locked in to cell in the muscle where the vaccine is being injected, but what is being seen with negative health effects post-vaccine seems to support the idea that this did not work and the spike protein is not being sequestered in the muscle and away from the rest of the body.
No animal studies were done to assure that the membrane technology was actually effective because of the emergency status given for the vaccines.
The men do say that there are some events reported in VAERs that are likely coincidental, not correlated. However the idea that such a large increase in reported deaths and other negative outcomes can not be credibly dismissed as just noise or false reporting.
At multiple points in the podcast they mention that physicians and other medical professionals are being pressured to not talk about any negative effects of the vaccine, so just from that under reporting is more likely. Also the increase over reports for the past 30 years is massive.
They agree that the idea that this giant spike is random noise from other factors is completely untenable.
What is a little funny to me is that when things were being reported the other way [all cause mortality spike in deaths] people on team Fake News were mad and did not want to accept that the increase was due to the virus.
Now we see a spike in deaths and adverse events for the vaccine and the Deadly Virus team wants to ignore it as inconsequential.
People gonna people.
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06-11-2021, 09:16 AM
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Bret said earlier that they would wrap up with potential reproductive issues related to the vaccine. This is at about 2:20.
Malone gives a bit of a walk through on the below graph:
Bret brings up that the other place the vaccine is concentrating at is in thebone marrowand asks Malone if he agrees that this is a signal that later on weshould watch potentially for something like leukemias showing up. He emphasize possible vs. probable.
Bret then says that he knows from other work thatthe vaccine also shows up preferentially in lymph nodes which raises the question of whether or not lymphomas might be created.
Malone replies that"We have two adverse event signals that are starting to emerge my friends at the FDA tell me,that are relevant to what you are saying. You are focusing on bone marrow, so typically aplastic anemia, leukemia, lymphoma, those kinds of things might, if there is going to be a signal, we might see it 6 months, 3 years, 9 years, out. Hard to tell because this is a progression of cancer that often requires multiple mutations. So let's just park that as a risk that should be monitored."
Bret asks Malone to elaborate more on what is currently being seen. Malone replies"One of them is thrombocytopenia [low blood platelet count]". Kirsch interjects that they are manufactured in the bone marrow.Malone continues"Another one that is starting to emerge, that is very hard to understand, is reactivation of latent viruses. Shingles is an example of that, but there are many others that are emerging in the literature about reactivation of latent human retroviruses.So it is anomalous findings that are cropping up."
Malone says that he finds it very odd that the vaccine is concentrating in ovaries but there is no corresponding signal in the testes.Malone sayshe has a urologist colleague who has done some thinking on this and he believes that it may have to do with charge [charged virus] and that there are specifics re:charge in the ovaries.
Malone states that this information on lipid concentration [carrier for vax] was known by regulators from the start.
Bretsays that hehas been most concerned about potential long term autoimmune disorders.
Malone says that he is less worried about the vaccine [lipid concentration] with regard to potential long term autoimmune effect and more worried about the circulating spike protein, which they were not aware of before. "The developers assured us this would not happen. The literature suggested that we would not have a free spike protein. Then Harvard and Brigham did studies and lo and behold we have free spike protein post vaccination."
Malone says we have to monitor for autoimmune effects and says this is why we usually want a 2 or 3 year period to be sure that autoimmune issues don't develop.
Malone gives a bit of a walk through on the below graph:
Random musing by OP: how ironic would it be if the fact that a larger portion of liberal women are getting/have gotten the vaccine leads to fewer liberal leaning parents in the future? I believe minorities overall have been more vaccine hesitant so it could mean fewer white babies too.
Commenting on the concentration of the vaccine in the ovaries Bret says "On some level it's not safe for women at all." The other guys agree "right, right, it's not just unsafe for pregnant women."Bret brings up that the other place the vaccine is concentrating at is in thebone marrowand asks Malone if he agrees that this is a signal that later on weshould watch potentially for something like leukemias showing up. He emphasize possible vs. probable.
Bret then says that he knows from other work thatthe vaccine also shows up preferentially in lymph nodes which raises the question of whether or not lymphomas might be created.
Malone replies that"We have two adverse event signals that are starting to emerge my friends at the FDA tell me,that are relevant to what you are saying. You are focusing on bone marrow, so typically aplastic anemia, leukemia, lymphoma, those kinds of things might, if there is going to be a signal, we might see it 6 months, 3 years, 9 years, out. Hard to tell because this is a progression of cancer that often requires multiple mutations. So let's just park that as a risk that should be monitored."
Bret asks Malone to elaborate more on what is currently being seen. Malone replies"One of them is thrombocytopenia [low blood platelet count]". Kirsch interjects that they are manufactured in the bone marrow.Malone continues"Another one that is starting to emerge, that is very hard to understand, is reactivation of latent viruses. Shingles is an example of that, but there are many others that are emerging in the literature about reactivation of latent human retroviruses.So it is anomalous findings that are cropping up."
Malone says that he finds it very odd that the vaccine is concentrating in ovaries but there is no corresponding signal in the testes.Malone sayshe has a urologist colleague who has done some thinking on this and he believes that it may have to do with charge [charged virus] and that there are specifics re:charge in the ovaries.
Malone states that this information on lipid concentration [carrier for vax] was known by regulators from the start.
Bretsays that hehas been most concerned about potential long term autoimmune disorders.
Malone says that he is less worried about the vaccine [lipid concentration] with regard to potential long term autoimmune effect and more worried about the circulating spike protein, which they were not aware of before. "The developers assured us this would not happen. The literature suggested that we would not have a free spike protein. Then Harvard and Brigham did studies and lo and behold we have free spike protein post vaccination."
Malone says we have to monitor for autoimmune effects and says this is why we usually want a 2 or 3 year period to be sure that autoimmune issues don't develop.
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06-11-2021, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted By EnochsProphecy⏩
Just got to this bit.2:28:40
Bret brought up Geert Vanden Bossche's theory on how vaccinating during a pandemic will cause immune escape variants to emerge, making vaccines futile. Robert then says, "This isn't a theoretical. This is a real....... We are having escape mutants arise all over the place". Basically confirming Geerts hypothesis.
Here is Geert's take on it 3 months ago. He now says it's too late.
Bret brought up Geert Vanden Bossche's theory on how vaccinating during a pandemic will cause immune escape variants to emerge, making vaccines futile. Robert then says, "This isn't a theoretical. This is a real....... We are having escape mutants arise all over the place". Basically confirming Geerts hypothesis.
Here is Geert's take on it 3 months ago. He now says it's too late.
"We are stuck with this virus, or it's downstream variants for the rest of our lives." -Malone
Weinstein still has hope that we could stamp it out.
Bret moves on to antibody-dependent enhancement [ADE]. Essentially that a vaccine can actually create a worse outcome by training the immune system and that it isn't a theoretical thing, it has happened [dengue fever].
Malone essentially states that ADE allows cells to be infected that normally would not be infected [immune cells] and that all prior attempted Mrna vaccines for corona viruses that were trialed in animals failed because of ADE. Malone actually says that he is surprised that they are not seeing an ADE signal from the COVID vaccine.
Kirsch questions Malone on why [being an expert] he got the COVID vaccine. Malone says that he did wait to see if there was a sign of ADE and none emerged. Also he has long COVID and had read reports that the vaccine would help with that and he has to travel which in many places means that vaccination is required.
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06-11-2021, 09:51 AM
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Nice thread kat. And thanks for the current update about it.
06-11-2021, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
ah okay I see, there are saying the mRNA technology in general is fine, but they are talking about this specific vaccine. That's another thing that's a concern as well. You have ********, instagram and twitter censoring and banning anything that can be considered "anti-vaccine", people in the medical profession that risk their jobs, getting fined for saying anything that can be construed as anti-vaccine. I wonder what percentage of these professionals have legitmate concerns.quote
here's one such instance:
https://www.cpso.on.ca/News/Key-Upda...misinformation
also not sure if anybody remembers but CNN put out this article back in September 2020.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/healt...ory/index.html
It's funny how we went from this to where we are at now, a few months after the vaccine began to be administered to the gen pop. 100% convinced CNN put out this article to undermine Operation Warpspeed and Trump in general because during that time when Trump said the vaccine could be ready by November/December everybody was calling it fake news, very optimistic, too soon, is the vaccine sufficiently tested etc. The "anti-vaccine tropes" used currently were the ones used back then by anti-Trumpers because it was under trump. When Biden became the president somehow those same arguments disappeared and just simply became anti-vaxx. Just lol if people think the whole thing wasn't politicized and a chitshow from the get-go.
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06-11-2021, 09:55 AM
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"What should people be thinking about re:reproduction?" - Bret
Malone re:concentration of the lipid carrying the vaccine in the ovaries:
"[b]Reproductive risks don't always manifest in the first generation. I don't mean to scare, but I do mean to speak honestly and with integrity.[b] And I think the honest position is[b]if you were to ask me "Robert, do you know what the reproductive consequences are for this signal?; I have to tell you no, I don't, because we don't have the data."
"If you then ask me "Has there been any example in the past of reproductive effects of agents in female reproductive tissue that were not anticipated by the animal model testing?" I would have to say yes, there is."[/b]
"We have to assume that reports such as dysmenorrhea [menstrual irregularities] are real."
Malone continues to speak out against the promotion of the vaccine being given to minors who can't give their own informed consent with things like free ice cream for getting vaccinated.
Kirsch says that knowing what he knows now he would have never vaccinated his three daughters.
[QUOTE]Random from OP again: Does this mean miscers looking for a wife should avoid women with "vaccinated" in their dating profile assuming they want to have children?[/QUOTE]
Malone re:concentration of the lipid carrying the vaccine in the ovaries:
"[b]Reproductive risks don't always manifest in the first generation. I don't mean to scare, but I do mean to speak honestly and with integrity.[b] And I think the honest position is[b]if you were to ask me "Robert, do you know what the reproductive consequences are for this signal?; I have to tell you no, I don't, because we don't have the data."
"If you then ask me "Has there been any example in the past of reproductive effects of agents in female reproductive tissue that were not anticipated by the animal model testing?" I would have to say yes, there is."[/b]
"We have to assume that reports such as dysmenorrhea [menstrual irregularities] are real."
Malone continues to speak out against the promotion of the vaccine being given to minors who can't give their own informed consent with things like free ice cream for getting vaccinated.
Kirsch says that knowing what he knows now he would have never vaccinated his three daughters.
[QUOTE]Random from OP again: Does this mean miscers looking for a wife should avoid women with "vaccinated" in their dating profile assuming they want to have children?[/QUOTE]
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06-11-2021, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
Right. Nothing that is against the narrative is allowed. People are afraid they will lose their jobs if they speak out. Kirsch says that many qualified professionals that were working for him quit and said the did not want to be associated with his work. When he asked them to provide anything showing errors in what he was publishing none replied with same.ah okay I see, there are saying the mRNA technology in general is fine, but they are talking about this specific vaccine. That's another thing that's a concern as well. You have ********, instagram and twitter censoring and banning anything that can be considered "anti-vaccine", people in the medical profession that risk their jobs, getting fined for saying anything that can be construed as anti-vaccine. I wonder what percentage of these professionals have legitmate concerns.
Kirsch also mentioned that Zuckerberg in a publicly available email told the CDC that ******** would censor anything that went against the official narrative. Two different groups about vaccine experiences/negative effects, one with 200K members were deleted from the platform.
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06-11-2021, 10:41 AM
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Just wrapped up.
Bret suggests that possibly either a single or a few very wealthy benefactors could "save planet Earth" by buying out the business interests that are seeking to deploy dangerous txmts to make a profit. He characterizes what is going on as "spending trillions of dollars [public money] to make billions of dollars [private profits]".
He specifically mentions Elon Musk as a candidate. Malone mentions that he is a consultant for a very wealthy individual's Indian corporation and that in India corporations are required to do a certain amount of non-profit giving.
Kirsch counters that it would be powerful if Elon Musk would simply share a link to the podcast and tell his 50 million followers that it is important information and that they should watch and share. Further says that anyone who is/has watched this podcast should share it widely.
The men discuss the role they feel the collective "we" are obligated to play as a voice for those who have no voice; those who have died from the vaccine [or suffered major adverse effects] and children who are not allowed to give their own consent.
They talk about the tragedy of suicides taking place among people with long COVID and that it is fundamentally wrong that people with long COVID and people suffering negative effects of the vaccine should not be at least allowed to talk to each other and provide each other support for their shared experiences.
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Not a professional transcriptionist by any means, but I've made an honest effort to be accurate. I know that 3 hours is a really big time commitment and one I find hard to make often myself.
Bret suggests that possibly either a single or a few very wealthy benefactors could "save planet Earth" by buying out the business interests that are seeking to deploy dangerous txmts to make a profit. He characterizes what is going on as "spending trillions of dollars [public money] to make billions of dollars [private profits]".
He specifically mentions Elon Musk as a candidate. Malone mentions that he is a consultant for a very wealthy individual's Indian corporation and that in India corporations are required to do a certain amount of non-profit giving.
Kirsch counters that it would be powerful if Elon Musk would simply share a link to the podcast and tell his 50 million followers that it is important information and that they should watch and share. Further says that anyone who is/has watched this podcast should share it widely.
The men discuss the role they feel the collective "we" are obligated to play as a voice for those who have no voice; those who have died from the vaccine [or suffered major adverse effects] and children who are not allowed to give their own consent.
They talk about the tragedy of suicides taking place among people with long COVID and that it is fundamentally wrong that people with long COVID and people suffering negative effects of the vaccine should not be at least allowed to talk to each other and provide each other support for their shared experiences.
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Not a professional transcriptionist by any means, but I've made an honest effort to be accurate. I know that 3 hours is a really big time commitment and one I find hard to make often myself.
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06-11-2021, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Sorry, was unaware.BTW op I'm still waiting on a response from you from another thread regarding why you think a 401k will be safe from inflation but not hyperinflation.
A 401K should be better than nothing at all presuming that the companies you own stock in through your 401K have tangible assets [buildings, equipment, inventory, etc.].
However a lot of the valuation can be based on intangibles, ongoing consumer purchases, and the current monetary situation [companies loaded up on cheap debt].
For real needs like food consumers would be expected to sacrifice their "extras" and cut back other spending, like maybe housing. You can sleep on the street, but still need to eat something. The less necessary stuff usually gets cut first, with the possible exception of things that fall under "pain relief".
E.g. if we have normal inflation then a consumer could move in with room mates or family, and still buy food, some clothes, have transportation. But with hyperinflation there is a point at which the majority of people can't possibly cut back enough of their other spending to continue making purchases, even of necessary goods like food and medicine.
Then there is the corporate debt. The Fed does not want to raise interest rates even though inflation right now is high. Presumably at some point they won't have a choice other than to raise rates. There is some concern that this could send many highly leveraged corporations into BK/liquidation. If the value of a company goes to zero then your stock isn't much help. I believe that common stock holders are pretty far down on the list of who gets paid in a BK.
Not sure if I am being clear or concise here. The gist is regular inflation without wages increasing to keep pace would be hard on consumers and could temporarily hurt nearly all companies and kill some, but hyperinflation could kill a lot of them, or could even lead us to deflation/depression/total economic reset.
Then you are better off owning tangible goods yourself, like real estate, which people are flooding into including big players.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
not sure the context of those images, maybe the person who compiled the images wanted to prove a point that according to the PCR testing that people hold in high regard and think are accurate, that even according to that information, the risks when put into perspective doesn't warrant alot of what we are doing right now.Isn't this inaccurate since the PCR test is garbage? the actual death rate should be much higher since the actual amount of positive covid patients is much less?
however, we do know a lot of people are asymptomatic and don't get tested who may have already had covid
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
One county just revised their estimate of covid deaths from 1600 to 1200 deaths. According to CDC we do know that 95% of deaths are from people are from people 80 and over, the average amount of comorbidities is around 4. even if we don't have exact numbers we know this virus is a far cry from a death sentence for the vast majority of the populationlet's say the death rate in people less than 50 is .0004%.
first goofy part is that that number takes into account all the people with false positive COVID results. this would drive the death rate up significantly.
second goofy part is that that number takes into account all the people marked as COVID deaths who had nothing to do with COVID (such as a person who died in a car crash testing positive). this would reduce the death rate significantly.
so how can those numbers be believed..
the biggest concern with those numbers is which is higher, the amount of false positives, or the amount of people who died of something else but were marked as COVID?
first goofy part is that that number takes into account all the people with false positive COVID results. this would drive the death rate up significantly.
second goofy part is that that number takes into account all the people marked as COVID deaths who had nothing to do with COVID (such as a person who died in a car crash testing positive). this would reduce the death rate significantly.
so how can those numbers be believed..
the biggest concern with those numbers is which is higher, the amount of false positives, or the amount of people who died of something else but were marked as COVID?
We know in the UK that every death was marked as a covid death if they tested positive within 28 days. How many of those are false positives, and how many of those died with covid as the main cause. Like 5% of the deaths are listed with covid as the singular cause.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...911v1.full.pdf
Here's one study. the false positivity rate is estimated between 1-4%, although studies have seen anywhere from 0-17%. As noted in the study, while it does not seem like a lot, the vast majority of people are going to test negative so it becomes a significant number of the population. This means out of everybody who is tested approximately 1-4% of people will be a false positive. But if you take the FDR, which is the false discovery rate, if you take all of those who tested positive, around 15-40% of those are false positives, see how the numbers change here?
However according to the same study, false negatives are higher
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/h...-immunity.html
if you had covid there is literally no reason to get the vaccine.
if you had covid there is literally no reason to get the vaccine.
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Soo..anyone have any new conspiracy theories?
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Originally Posted By Paul
What kind of time do we live in where saying "an experimental vaccine with no proven safety record might be unsafe" is a conspiracy theory?Soo..anyone have any new conspiracy theories?
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What kind of time do we live in where being opposed to the suppression of a safe and effective medication is a conspiracy theory?
What kind of time do we live in where being hesitant of this SPECIFIC VACCINE ONLY makes you Jenny McCarthy?
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Very interesting points OP, but could we get a rear glute spread for clarification?
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Did they say that all of the officially reported Covid Vaccine deaths, 5k+, already totals more than every vaccine over the last 70 years combined? If i understood that correctly, Wow.
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
Made me chuckle at leastYup, those who are dumb enough to believe in the vaccines will be wiped out by natural selection.
"Seen in the light of evolution, biology is, perhaps, intellectually the most satisfying and inspiring science. Without that light it becomes a pile of sundry facts -- some of them interesting or curious but making no meaningful picture as a whole."
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Still absolutely mind ****s me that women of childbearing age took this. Like I can't ****ing fathom that decision.
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Finally watched the whole thing. Definitely good summaries, katya. I should have contented myself with those because I wanted to bitch slap Steve so many times that I lost count. Reminds me of too many meetings I have been in where the person in the room least qualified to talk about some subject matter feels the need to dominate the discussion. The whole thing kinda frustrated me in the end because there was some really good information and discussion to be had but Steve made it utterly indigestible and embarrassing to share widely.
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Watched it all...yea, all my fears feel vindicated now.
This is the conversation I have been asking for since the Plandemic started in the face of all the censorship.
This country is so full of knuckle-dragging, social media obsessed buffoons that they cannot comprehend the magnitude of what is occurring and will happily inject something into their body because the man on tv said to.
I downloaded this and it might be wise for others to do that as well because I cannot imagine this lasts on YouTube.
This is the conversation I have been asking for since the Plandemic started in the face of all the censorship.
This country is so full of knuckle-dragging, social media obsessed buffoons that they cannot comprehend the magnitude of what is occurring and will happily inject something into their body because the man on tv said to.
I downloaded this and it might be wise for others to do that as well because I cannot imagine this lasts on YouTube.
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I haven't been vaccinated and I work at a school. Only a matter of time before I am forced to. I'm not anti vax im just not interested in it, just like I don't get my yearly flu shot. Doubt my union would even back me up if I tried to fight it
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