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just lol @ American houses

brb unequipped to deal with temperatures and solve a problem ancient a-rabs figured out thousands of years ago.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windcatcher

We are truly retarded for not doing this.

brb waste tons of energy on cooling with AC when u can build a house intelligently and not have to spend a cent on cooling

only in murica
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Windcatchers rely on local weather and microclimate conditions, and not all techniques will work everywhere; local factors must be taken into account in design.[5]
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Originally Posted By Doober4⏩
Windcatchers rely on local weather and microclimate conditions, and not all techniques will work everywhere; local factors must be taken into account in design.[5]
Yeah like having wind.
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Nothing says cooling like naturally ventilating a space with 100 deg air.

I love using a blow dryer to keep me cool
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I’d have to stay somewhere like this before kinging it the way to go. It’s so humid where I live I highly doubt it’d keep me cool. I keep my AC around 65 fwiw. I’m didn’t read it all but there’s prob a huge reason they quit doing this for so long. I just find it hard to believe it’d be good enough to hang cooling wise in this area and others. Living somewhere that the humidity wasn’t so suffocating and it was just a dry heat might work great tho. Very interesting though, haven’t read about these. Just doubt they’d be able to compete with southern summers.
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does this work in hot tropical climate?
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Originally Posted By EagleOfWar⏩
I’d have to stay somewhere like this before kinging it the way to go. It’s so humid where I live I highly doubt it’s keep me cool. I keep my AC around 65 fwiw. I’m didn’t read it all but there’s prob a huge reason they quit doing this for so long. I just find it hard to believe it’d be good enough to hang cooking wise in this area and others. Living somewhere that the humidity wasn’t so suffocating and it was just a dry heat might work great tho. Very interesting though, haven’t read about these. Just doubt they’d be able to compete with southern summers.
Well u have to wonder how a-rabs survived in the desert with no ac for a thousand years. Natural convection is a thing. People are finally starting to evaluate how to build smarter more energy efficient houses. Most houses aren't designed to passively minimize temperatures.

There is so much waste it is honestly embarrassing.
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Originally Posted By DickHancock⏩
does this work in hot tropical climate?
They have them in India...
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Originally Posted By gixxer0.6g⏩
Nothing says cooling like naturally ventilating a space with 100 deg air.

I love using a blow dryer to keep me cool
Not how it works.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Well u have to wonder how a-rabs survived in the desert with no ac for a thousand years. Natural convection is a thing. People are finally starting to evaluate how to build smarter more energy efficient houses. Most houses aren't designed to passively minimize temperatures.
For sure I’ve wondered this. It’s my assumption that the nights there can get cooler than expected like most deserts. Idk if you’ve ever been far enough Deep South to experience it but the humidity isn’t just a small nuisance. Take Arizona for example, extremely hot, but it’s dry heat which is rough as it is. Getting off the plane from Arizona back to here feels like walking into a shower after someone’s been in there door closed and running max heat water. You can feel the hot moisture in the air and automatically will put you in a sweat.

Would be cool to try, but there’s also not a lot of wind on average here to help with it. Like even if I put a window fan in all it’d do is blow hot moist air at me around here. Places like that and such as Arizona get freaky hot in the day but the 80-90% humidity makes somewhere 15 degrees cooler feels much more hot than a higher degree of dry heat. Most people don’t get it until they experience it.


Edit: I’m sure there’s are a lot of American places that this would work great for though.
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Originally Posted By EagleOfWar⏩
For sure I’ve wondered this. It’s my assumption that the nights there can get cooler than expected like most deserts. Idk if you’ve ever been far enough Deep South to experience it but the humidity isn’t just a small nuisance. Yak Arizona for example, extremely hot, but it’s dry heat which is rough as it is. Getting off the plane from Arizona back to here feels like walking into a shower after someone’s been in there door closed and running max heat water. You can feel the hot moisture in the air and automatically will put you in a sweat.

Would be cool to try, but there’s also not a lot of wind on average here to help with it. Like even if I put a window fan in all it’d do is blow hot moist air at me around here. Places like that and such as Arizona get freaky hot in the day but the 80-90% humidity makes somewhere 15 degrees cooler feels much more hot than a higher degree of dry heat. Most people don’t get it until they experience it.


Edit: I’m sure there’s are a lot of American places that this would work great for though.
Yea there are definitely areas of the US that can use these types of designs or something similar. We should really look at ways to cut energy costs while improving the functionality of the house.

Another ancient technology:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat
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Well, one thing places like the middle east have going for them in terms of the heat is that it's typically dry heat, rather than wet heat. Try turning a regular fan on outside in wet, muggy ~100'F weather and see how well it works for cooling you down. It's like turning a hair dryer on yourself in an attempt to cool off.

You can design a building however you want, there's no way you're gonna keep an interior place a comfortable temp "naturally" in extreme heat with high humidity. The real issues people in modern homes tend to neglect the most are proper insulation and shade. This month+ long heat wave/drought we've had in my area has made me realize I seriously should put up a couple more trees to put more shade on my lawn and house. It's silly how much cooler it gets just by being in the shade vs directly under the sunlight. Same thing applies to keeping a house/structure cool.

Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Yea there are definitely areas of the US that can use these types of designs or something similar. We should really look at ways to cut energy costs while improving the functionality of the house.
Sounds like a technique that would only be useful in desert/super low humitidy climates. That chit will never work properly in places with wet heat like the deep south/midwest with all the lakes/etc.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Yea there are definitely areas of the US that can use these types of designs or something similar. We should really look at ways to cut energy costs while improving the functionality of the house.

Another ancient technology:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat
Agreed. There’s more places that would benefit from something like that than others my guess. Energy bills are outrageous for millions. In some places it’s A/C all day just to turn it off at night or even swap over to heating. Murcia is such a large country with multiple climates across it. I’d love to get a home that could self cool here but If it’s possible to do that here it would be anywhere else. The humidity is what kills us around here. It still gets very hot of course (most summers hover around 100 but real feel with humidity added in and it gets unbearable at times.
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Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
Well, one thing places like the middle east have going for them in terms of the heat is that it's typically dry heat, rather than wet heat. Try turning a regular fan on outside in wet, muggy ~100'F weather and see how well it works for cooling you down. It's like turning a hair dryer on yourself in an attempt to cool off.

You can design a building however you want, there's no way you're gonna keep an interior place a comfortable temp "naturally" in extreme heat with high humidity. The real issues people in modern homes tend to neglect the most are proper insulation and shade. This month+ long heat wave/drought we've had in my area has made me realize I seriously should put up a couple more trees to put more shade on my lawn and house. It's silly how much cooler it gets just by being in the shade vs directly under the sunlight. Same thing applies to keeping a house/structure cool.






Sounds like a technique that would only be useful in desert/super low humitidy climates. That chit will never work properly in places with wet heat like the deep south/midwest with all the lakes/etc.
Haven’t been to Utah so I’m speaking out of turn here but wouldn’t places like Utah prob fit this bill? Along right a few more like it.
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Feel like I saw one of these in a national park before. Death Valley maybe? Was actually pretty slick
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Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
Well, one thing places like the middle east have going for them in terms of the heat is that it's typically dry heat, rather than wet heat. Try turning a regular fan on outside in wet, muggy ~100'F weather and see how well it works for cooling you down. It's like turning a hair dryer on yourself in an attempt to cool off.

You can design a building however you want, there's no way you're gonna keep an interior place a comfortable temp "naturally" in extreme heat with high humidity. The real issues people in modern homes tend to neglect the most are proper insulation and shade. This month+ long heat wave/drought we've had in my area has made me realize I seriously should put up a couple more trees to put more shade on my lawn and house. It's silly how much cooler it gets just by being in the shade vs directly under the sunlight. Same thing applies to keeping a house/structure cool.






Sounds like a technique that would only be useful in desert/super low humitidy climates. That chit will never work properly in places with wet heat like the deep south/midwest with all the lakes/etc.
Check out how they designed the Pearl Academy in India. There are ways to optimize even for hot and humid environments.

Anyway, I'm sure you can agree that our houses are not optimized for functionality or efficiency.
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Originally Posted By MrQuint⏩
Feel like I saw one of these in a national park before. Death Valley maybe? Was actually pretty slick
Makes sense. You'd need to do everything you can for buildings there.
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Every country has things that they're potato about regarding building:

Houses in Britain are ill-equipped for sustained temperatures above 23 celsius, and the majority of British houses are moldy due to wet climate.

Venice is literally an open sewer. Also leaning tower of Pisa.

Mexico City is built on a former swamp and the ground is soft. Old cathedrals are sinking into the ground because of weight.

French like to build nice houses, and then allow them become dilapidated. brb can't be bothered to fix peeling paint or plaster.

Germans think they are masters of nature and love to build basements below local stream beds. Countless German buildings with wet cellars.

Australians used to build Victorian houses on stilts due to natural seasonal flooding. Then they built dykes and levees, and thought that they could cheat nature forever, and started building houses on the ground again, leading to repeated flooding.

Chinese building anything near the three-gorges dam which can break at any moment. Chinese also using garbage materials and buildings collapsing regularly.

That's what I can think of, I'm sure there are more examples.
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Originally Posted By demfeelsbro⏩
Good luck with your rodent infestation, flooding, burglary goals in 2021
There are ways to have the cooling solutions for your house still external to a secure interior. You should look at some modern passive home designs.

The dream would be to have a building which is designed to generate extra energy via solar or something, and basically passively cool or only use energy from its solar supply.

lol I was just thinking about the future. In the future, a huge number of people are just gonna be homeless. There is no way we'd be able to live like this.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Makes sense. You'd need to do everything you can for buildings there.
Looks like it was Zion though they may be in DV too

https://greenpassivesolar.com/2010/04/zion-n
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Originally Posted By MrQuint⏩
Looks like it was Zion though they may be in DV too

https://greenpassivesolar.com/2010/04/zion-n
See the bolded chit

The building uses 70% less energy than its typical counterpart but did not cost more to build.

That right there is what I mean. We are just straight up doing it wrong in a lot of places. If it were truly optimized, a house in California would look very different from one in Michigan. Instead, most homes follow similar cookie cutter designs, with some tweaks here and there.

It ends up costing a fortune in the long run for society.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Not how it works.
That's exactly how it works and what natural ventilation is which is a code violation in most climates in the US as a primary form of ventilation air.

You can't change ******t air temperature without exchanging it with another thermal source. So unless they're ducting it underground (air to air is a terrible heat exchanging source) then it's a garbage cooling source.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
See the bolded chit

The building uses 70% less energy than its typical counterpart but did not cost more to build.

That right there is what I mean. We are just straight up doing it wrong in a lot of places. If it were truly optimized, a house in California would look very different from one in Michigan. Instead, most homes follow similar cookie cutter designs, with some tweaks here and there.

It ends up costing a fortune in the long run for society.
This I can agree with. There are a lot of things you can do to optimize for climate that aren't even that difficult.

- solar orientation
- deeper eaves in hot climates to shade walls
- thicker walls
- blocking coldest wind from the entry/exit

If you've taken an interest wincel you might check out earth ships and stuff like earth tubes.

A couple in Montana:



A tiny house version:

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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
This I can agree with. There are a lot of things you can do to optimize for climate that aren't even that difficult.

- solar orientation
- deeper eaves in hot climates to shade walls
- thicker walls
- blocking coldest wind from the entry/exit

If you've taken an interest wincel you might check out earth ships and stuff like earth tubes.

A couple in Montana:



A tiny house version:

Yeah those are kind of cool. I was imagining some modern smart house type thing with all sorts of optimizations for the local climate.


Check out this bro's house.

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Originally Posted By LargePeter⏩
Zero fuks given, I can afford air conditioning
As global warming continues and we get more frequent heat waves, energy grids will fail to meet demand. You won't always have an AC. Texas (full of people who think like you) already encountered these problems a few times. It's also just a pure waste to have an inefficiently designed home.You're wasting your own money, and society is losing money on it too. It's just ultimately a waste of energy that achieves nothing. Kind of like you.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
As global warming continues and we get more frequent heat waves, energy grids will fail to meet demand. You won't always have an AC. Texas (full of people who think like you) already encountered these problems a few times. It's also just a pure waste to have an inefficiently designed home.You're wasting your own money, and society is losing money on it too. It's just ultimately a waste of energy that achieves nothing. Kind of like you.
You make it sound like utitlty companies can't increase capacity.

There are thousands of mechanical engineers around the globe and organizations dedicated to energy saving hvac design. You come in here with the idea that natural ventilation is this new concept we should all implement. If it was so good it would be in every commercial building out there (which it sort of is in the form of air side economizers). But the truth is, Americans aren't comfortable at 80+ deg inddor air temps so unless you change their mind, mechanical cooling will always be required
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When I drew up my floor plans, I made sure to take the position of the home in relation to the suns patterns to strategically utilize the sun light in a manner that benefits my home the most.

Brb east facing windows in master bedroom and kitchen to get the sun rise,

Brb living room windows facing south and west to get sun light through out the day as well as capture the sun set for that hnnng view
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Originally Posted By WrathOfPecan⏩
Every country has things that they're potato about regarding building:

Houses in Britain are ill-equipped for sustained temperatures above 23 celsius, and the majority of British houses are moldy due to wet climate.

Venice is literally an open sewer. Also leaning tower of Pisa.

Mexico City is built on a former swamp and the ground is soft. Old cathedrals are sinking into the ground because of weight.

French like to build nice houses, and then allow them become dilapidated. brb can't be bothered to fix peeling paint or plaster.

Germans think they are masters of nature and love to build basements below local stream beds. Countless German buildings with wet cellars.

Australians used to build Victorian houses on stilts due to natural seasonal flooding. Then they built dykes and levees, and thought that they could cheat nature forever, and started building houses on the ground again, leading to repeated flooding.

Chinese building anything near the three-gorges dam which can break at any moment. Chinese also using garbage materials and buildings collapsing regularly.

That's what I can think of, I'm sure there are more examples.
Mirin knowledge of geographic/historical construction issues.
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Ever use a swamp cooler? They are absolutely chit in comparison to modern mechanical cooling. They are still 100 times better than a windcatcher.

At the end of the day those people are suited to 90 degree ******t temps and no their wind catchers will not drastically lower the temps. Brb still 80+ degrees

It's clear you haven't actually been to any arid country. They used them in Mexico and South America as well and they don't work well at all.
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