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post 1641661283 06-26-2021, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted By Muscle2021⏩
not funny bro take it easy srs. Peoples livelihoods got erased. Homeboy probably has to hide the current prices from his girl or shell leave him
He attacked me for being a "no-coincel" lol.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Are you serious?

Look up WMAP, CMBR, and Hubble data.

And for evolution, look at any study of antibiotic resistance, all the phylogenetic analyses done on known species, the observation of evolution in finches, etc.

You're profoundly retarded.
I'm not "religious", but I do heavily lean towards...I suppose you could say some form Deism and also that there is far more beyond our five senses and what science has figured out. If the Big Bang is true, that theory still leaves countless unanswered questions. What caused the bang? Where did that absurdly compressed point of matter, which contained the material that created the entire universe, come from? What was there before that? What managed to keep that so compressed? How did it "bang" at a rate FAR beyond the speed of light? What determined the dimensions of the space that the matter from the "Bang" ended up occupying? Where did the laws/rules that determined how things would end up being arranged, after the "bang", come from? What determined the "natural laws" and laws of Physics, and what continues to maintain them? etc etc

I think perhaps Taoism, imo, makes the most conceptual sense...which is that there is some sort of intangible force or intelligence guiding and underlying everything. Hindus also have that same concept with Brahman. I'm sure there's probably others with the same concept in Shamanic traditions and other religions.
Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
He attacked me for being a "no-coincel" lol.
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post 1641662433 06-26-2021, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted By Muscle2021⏩
not funny bro take it easy srs. Peoples livelihoods got erased. Homeboy probably has to hide the current prices from his girl or shell leave him
Dude is pushing 30 and still lives at home with mommy.
post 1641662553 06-26-2021, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Hopefully people interested in learning about the mountain of evidence supporting the fact of evolution will actually look into it (be it online sources, lay books, textbooks, or formal education), and not just go off what a red poster on a bodybuilding forum is saying (who not surprisingly is revealing a religious bias simultaneously).
I was interested. I looked into it. Was clearly inadequately supported. Claiming the resistance gained by bacteria is somehow evidence that supports the grand claims of evolution is an example of gross misunderstanding of reality.
Is there no limit to what people will believe if it is prefaced by the phrase,
"Scientists say" ?

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post 1641662713 06-26-2021, 10:28 AM
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Why do you care what somebody else believes? You believe in nothing. You stand for nothing. You're just a hollow existence that is no benefit to anybody or anything.
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post 1641663153 06-26-2021, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
I'm not "religious", but I do heavily lean towards...I suppose you could say some form Deism and also that there is far more beyond our five senses and what science has figured out. If the Big Bang is true, that theory still leaves countless unanswered questions. What caused the bang? Where did that absurdly compressed point of matter, which contained the material that created the entire universe, come from? What was there before that? What managed to keep that so compressed? How did it "bang" at a rate FAR beyond the speed of light? What determined the dimensions of the space that the matter from the "Bang" ended up occupying? Where did the laws/rules that determined how things would end up being arranged, after the "bang", come from? What determined the "natural laws" and laws of Physics, and what continues to maintain them? etc etc

I think perhaps Taoism, imo, makes the most conceptual sense...which is that there is some sort of intangible force or intelligence guiding and underlying everything. Hindus also have that same concept with Brahman. I'm sure there's probably others with the same concept in Shamanic traditions and other religions.



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Those are fine questions to ask, some in the realm of unanswered physics, others in the realm of metaphysics. I guess my issue is to just ask why it is so unsatisfying to ppl to just say we don't know. Beyond a certain point, we really don't know. Religion gives a kind of fictitious answer without evidence. And science can't answer right now or possibly ever. So why is it so unsatisfying to just say we don't know? Introducing religion just creates new questions.

I'm ok with just saying I have no idea why anything exists at all or why the laws of physics are as they are. I'd like to know, but I have no way of knowing.

I think the best reason to be religious would be for the ethical principles rather than the idea of god itself. It is hard to get through life without an ethical system, and I think that is one place religion brings a lot in. That's not to say you can't be ethical without religion. But religion already supplies you witg that ethical framework.

I'd call myself an atheist Buddhist or atheist Hindu I guess if that makes sense. I guess I'm not really Christian in my ethics since I don't think turning the other cheek is usually right.
post 1641663673 06-26-2021, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Those are fine questions to ask, some in the realm of unanswered physics, others in the realm of metaphysics. I guess my issue is to just ask why it is so unsatisfying to ppl to just say we don't know. Beyond a certain point, we really don't know. Religion gives a kind of fictitious answer without evidence. And science can't answer right now or possibly ever. So why is it so unsatisfying to just say we don't know? Introducing religion just creates new questions.

I'm ok with just saying I have no idea why anything exists at all or why the laws of physics are as they are. I'd like to know, but I have no way of knowing.
That's all fine too, I suppose my only issue is when people act like considering the possibility of anything outside of "established science" is stupid/ridiculous/etc. - within reason of course, there are obviously claims and beliefs out there that are pretty far fetched to the point of absurdity.

Also, as far as the "unsatisfying" part...a lot of people want to know wtf the bigger picture is and what our part in it is. Is this our sole existence and it's lights out for eternity in the completely materialistic (and I mean metaphysical materialism) sense? Afterlife? Reincarnation? I think it's pretty difficult as a concious being to not wonder about these things and the long term implications.
post 1641663683 06-26-2021, 10:45 AM
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Nvm
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post 1641663903 06-26-2021, 10:49 AM
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If you get a chance look up and study hermetic principles and philosophies, I tend to align most with them these days, however, I try not to throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to other Faith's
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post 1641663923 06-26-2021, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
I hope you are talking about ising Dave.







I'll give you a chance to apologize if you are talking to me Dave.
i think he is talking about wincel. not ising or you.
post 1641664253 06-26-2021, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
If you get a chance look up and study hermetic principles and philosophies, I tend to align most with them these days, however, I try not to throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to other Faith's
Forgot about those, they are really good and interesting too imo.
Originally Posted By NKWulf⏩
i think he is talking about wincel. not ising or you.
He's talking about ising.
post 1641664273 06-26-2021, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted By semitope⏩
I was interested. I looked into it. Was clearly inadequately supported. Claiming the resistance gained by biology is somehow evidence that supports the grand claims of evolution is an example of gross misundersanding of reality.
No. It isn't. It's actually the same process.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Forgot about those, they are really good and interesting too imo.




He's talking about ising.
i stand corrected.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
That's all fine too, I suppose my only issue is when people act like considering the possibility of anything outside of "established science" is stupid/ridiculous/etc. - within reason of course, there are obviously claims and beliefs out there that are pretty far fetched to the point of absurdity.

Also, as far as the "unsatisfying" part...a lot of people want to know wtf the bigger picture is and what our part in it is. Is this our sole existence and it's lights out for eternity in the completely materialistic (and I mean metaphysical materialism) sense? Afterlife? Reincarnation? I think it's pretty difficult as a concious being to not wonder about these things and the long term implications.
Sure. I wouldn't call it ridiculous. There are things science can't answer yet, but might one day. The things it can never answer in principle, I prefer to just leave as an unknown.

Ofc I wonder about them. I think we all do. But we have to be honest about what we know or can know.
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
Nope
We don't all need it. But I think if he means some do, it makes sense I guess.
post 1641669923 06-26-2021, 12:30 PM
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Your existence is nothing but a test to separate those who are worthy from those who are not. As you will constantly see moving forward, we are completely incapable of eternal life with sin. Your life is simply a judgment that the vast majority will fail due to their own ignorance and hatred.
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Originally Posted By semitope⏩
I was interested. I looked into it. Was clearly inadequately supported. Claiming the resistance gained by bacteria is somehow evidence that supports the grand claims of evolution is an example of gross misunderstanding of reality.
Because you looked into something and personally were not convinced by it, did not understand it, or whatever.....does not negate the overwhelming evidence that supports evolution, the cornerstone of modern biology.

The point of that post was: for others who are interested in the topic, instead of reading mere debates of words on a bodybuilding forum (not how science is done), better to just research the actual evidence. Luckily, there is a ton in support of the the fact of evolution, from a variety of fields too. For those who don’t want to enroll in formal education, I recommend the book “Why Evolution is True” by biologist Jerry Coyne as a helpful introduction and overview.
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
Fear.

They believe solely because of fear.

They fear the Unknown therefor they worship the Unknown in a bid for mercy.







I warned you of the dangers of being exclusively a coincel when BTC was still at 65K, it's now trying to break 30K and you're going broke lol.



Just how much $$$ have you lost so far?



Lol.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
But without any evidence to go on, it's just speculation.
Does that make its lessons any less valid? Do you dismiss Jesus's ideas of forgiveness because you don't believe he was the son of God? Do you think it's ok to kill because that the prohibition derived from a god? Or steal? When religions ask you to be thankful to god for your blessings, what they're teaching you is to be grateful for what you have. So is that concept invalid if you don't believe in God? Are you an ungrateful person because you believe science negates the existence of a god?

You don't have to believe in God to find some value in what religions teach. And you don't have to take every lesson it tries to impart. But even today, religion still offers a pretty good guide on how to live our lives to be responsible members of a society.
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
Joined the crypto train in 2016, first ever ETH buy in the single digits and first BTC buy in the triple digits. How much money do you think I've "lost"?
Over 50% from your peak.

If you are telling the truth then good job.

What is your average cost and whats the bottom for BTC?
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I just my real honest answer is, I am still trying to find that out for myself.

I believe in the Gospel - Jesus lived and died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day.

I am just still trying to find out what that means for me and there are days I struggle, but its a never ending struggle.

That's my reason.
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Originally Posted By iamanalphamale⏩
I just my real honest answer is, I am still trying to find that out for myself.

I believe in the Gospel - Jesus lived and died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day.

I am just still trying to find out what that means for me and there are days I struggle, but its a never ending struggle.

That's my reason.
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I used to. At the time it made sense to me. The logical part of me eventually beat out my faith and here I am.
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Sometimes I like watching videos of monkeys, apes, chimps, orangutans, gorillas, etc, they are fun, they relax me and I learn a lot from them. But I would be lying if I didn't say they remind me of humans and especially of certain humans but I still believe in God, the Bible, creation, Jesus, etc
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It's really funny that the people who seem to look down on religious people the most, don't understand people very much.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
It's really funny that the people who seem to look down on religious people the most, don't understand people very much.
People generally look down on weak people who cannot stand under their own power.

The religious divide responsibility but a "house divided against itself cannot stand".

A strong person embraces responsibility because he can handle it.
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Originally Posted By John
Does that make its lessons any less valid? Do you dismiss Jesus's ideas of forgiveness because you don't believe he was the son of God? Do you think it's ok to kill because that the prohibition derived from a god? Or steal? When religions ask you to be thankful to god for your blessings, what they're teaching you is to be grateful for what you have. So is that concept invalid if you don't believe in God? Are you an ungrateful person because you believe science negates the existence of a god?

You don't have to believe in God to find some value in what religions teach. And you don't have to take every lesson it tries to impart. But even today, religion still offers a pretty good guide on how to live our lives to be responsible members of a society.
I dismiss forgiveness in certain circumstances. I prefer a more nuanced approach. I generally forgive people that I anticipate interacting with again. If I'm certain I won't interact with them again, and I can rationally gain from punishing them, I will. I also won't forgive anyone I expect to offend me again. It's ok to kill anyone who claims to be the son of god if he threatens my safety or opposes truth. It's ok to steal if I need it to survive and am not significantly impacting someone else's survival. I am grateful for certain aspects of my life, but I also am not grateful for others.

My rules only apply to me. Everyone else does whatever they do and I respond accordingly. I socially advocate that others practice Christian, Hindu, or Buddhist ethics because they are the most passive and advantageous to me. Rules for thee and not for me.

And I suspect you all do the same. It's quite a cute joke.

So, no I am not a Christian and do not agree with Christian ethics. I have Wincel ethics. I look at what is practical and leads to the outcomes I want to see, as any rational lifeform should.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Can you explain why you logically believe in a religion?
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