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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
self-admitted 3/10 that has rage problems, has never touched a vagina in his life, and threatens lives when banned wants to lecture about "science" lmaoooooJust not qualified to get a job
07-13-2021, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Are you going to answer my question or keep making demands?Excellent, can you read the literature that exists on the long term effects of any mRNA vaccine currently approved by the FDA?

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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
So ... basically due to your going to "school", you are able to confront Peter McCulloughhttps://www.cardiometabolichealth.or...ccullough.htmlwho was one of the authors of an actual published paper on how to fight Cv in the early stages.No. By virtue of going to school, I'm qualified to read and interpret the literature.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32771461/
And has the following credentials:
*Senior leadership and oversight of clinical, education, and research operations at major academic medical centers in Detroit, Kansas City, and Dallas
* Led observational studies and randomized trials of therapies for acute kidney injury, hypertension, acute coronary syndromes, heart failure, and cardiorenal syndromes
* Chaired and participated on 15 data safety monitoring committees for large randomized trials
* Advised sponsors and the FDA resulting in approval of 15 new drugs and 3 novel in vitro diagnostic tests used today around the world
I see ...
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07-13-2021, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted By brosapiens⏩
Yeah. I'm able to confront and ask him what his research on this is and to publish it or present it to be analyzed by the scientific community. That's not some crazy request. How else is anyone supposed to confirm what he said?So ... basically due to your going to "school", you are able to confront Peter McCulloughhttps://www.cardiometabolichealth.or...ccullough.htmlwho was one of the authors of an actual published paper on how to fight Cv in the early stages.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32771461/
And has the following credentials:
*Senior leadership and oversight of clinical, education, and research operations at major academic medical centers in Detroit, Kansas City, and Dallas
* Led observational studies and randomized trials of therapies for acute kidney injury, hypertension, acute coronary syndromes, heart failure, and cardiorenal syndromes
* Chaired and participated on 15 data safety monitoring committees for large randomized trials
* Advised sponsors and the FDA resulting in approval of 15 new drugs and 3 novel in vitro diagnostic tests used today around the world
I see ...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32771461/
And has the following credentials:
*Senior leadership and oversight of clinical, education, and research operations at major academic medical centers in Detroit, Kansas City, and Dallas
* Led observational studies and randomized trials of therapies for acute kidney injury, hypertension, acute coronary syndromes, heart failure, and cardiorenal syndromes
* Chaired and participated on 15 data safety monitoring committees for large randomized trials
* Advised sponsors and the FDA resulting in approval of 15 new drugs and 3 novel in vitro diagnostic tests used today around the world
I see ...
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Well ... he might be an idiot compared to you. But he does have at least one paper on Cv. Where's yours?Yeah. I'm able to confront and ask him what his research on this is and to publish it or present it to be analyzed by the scientific community. That's not some crazy request. How else is anyone supposed to confirm what he said?
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07-13-2021, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
What about safety and efficacy?New, never used before technology that is being pushed by pharmaceutical to get large scale clinical trials completed that not only they are not paying for, but they are getting paid for - handsomely.
07-13-2021, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted By mp83⏩
Was awaiting for pantie boy to arriveMisc anti-vax schizos at it again
If it's a bio weapon and the vaccine is a bioweapon, it's a pretty terrible one considering how few deaths there are.
If it's a bio weapon and the vaccine is a bioweapon, it's a pretty terrible one considering how few deaths there are.
07-13-2021, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted By brosapiens⏩
I never called him an idiot anywhere. I said he was fringe and he needs to present evidence for his ideas. Going to the media before publishing is always a really bad look. It makes you look like a crackpot whether your work is good or not. It's on him to present the evidence and make a convincing case. You guys might be convinced by a video or article, but I'd like to see the paper.Well ... he might be an idiot compared to you. But he does have at least one paper on Cv. Where's yours?
07-13-2021, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Can you elaborate on why the clinical trials that allegedly establish their safety and efficacy are not reliable to you?Unknown for safety, and efficacy of the mRNA vaccines are misleading due to the timeline and location of the efficacy studies.
Also, regarding you discarding the medical community, this is one example of that. The medical community assures us the vaccines are safe and effective, as demonstrated in their clinical trials, with studies published in NEJM, the lancet, nature, etc. You are now telling me these studies are all somehow flawed. You also said you didn't get vaccinated. The medical community recommends you to get vaccinated. So, you have discarded their advice. I guess I want to know why you would do this.
07-13-2021, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
covid vaxx aside, that is EXACTLY what the entire vaccine industry is. they can't be sued for damages, they profit hugely on the front end with the actual vaccines, and then profit hugely again on the back end providing drugs to mask all kinds of symptoms down the road, including symptoms caused by their meds, then they sell more and more meds.Here's food for thought:
Only thing that makes sense from this perspective is that the vaccine is designed to cause health problems which will give more money to the medical industry.
Only thing that makes sense from this perspective is that the vaccine is designed to cause health problems which will give more money to the medical industry.
the costliest piece of every pharmaceutical product is the liability aspect. imagine that they are immune from this. why would they not want to push infinity vaccines?
look at 1983 vs 2019 recommended vaccine schedule. it is fukking insane. just look at the chart and tell me this is not some crazy fkn sht.

Meanwhile we're seeing more neurological issues, allergies, strange health problems than ever before in the history of earth. And these same companies that are causing them with this poison are selling us the cure.
eat well, exercise, have good mental health practices, have faith in God, and your immune system will take care of you. you don't need a single fukking injection.
the idea that vaccines eradicated diseases is at the very least extremely suspect. the virtual eradication of serious illnesses like smallpox and polio coincided with improved hygiene, sewage, nutrition, etc. vaccines happened at the very end of that downward trend and IMO had nothing, or at most very little to do with their eradication.
anyway, as the father of a toddler, I've done a lot of critical research on vaccines over the last year or so, and have gone from being suspect to 100% anti-vaxx. if you take an honest look at the whole scheme and have an open mind and are not stupid, I believe you'll come to the same conclusion.
RFK's site is a good resource if you're interested:https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/
this covid vaxx is just such an obvious hoax that I can't not lose respect for people who take it seriously. tough to deal with this mental state when I have close friends I love who are young and healthy and get this fake vaxx. I believe a lot of them will experience serious health problems as a result in the coming years, and I also suspect that they will be infertile. I hope I'm wrong though.
07-13-2021, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Why is a long term study required for safety? Why can't you use theory to predict long term effects? How can there be a long term study for a vaccine released last year? And why does there need to be one to establish safety?There are no long term studies, so safety goes out the window.
Efficacy numbers are skewed by the timeline and location of the studies, when compared to the studies that the efficacy numbers of either adenovirus or recombinant protein vaccines resulted from.
Are you finding that study I requested yet?
Efficacy numbers are skewed by the timeline and location of the studies, when compared to the studies that the efficacy numbers of either adenovirus or recombinant protein vaccines resulted from.
Are you finding that study I requested yet?

"Efficacy numbers are skewed by the timeline and location of the studies, when compared to the studies that the efficacy numbers of either adenovirus or recombinant protein vaccines resulted from."
Elaborate on this.
07-13-2021, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Do you really believe a paper on the subject that is being discussed in the video would ever be allowed?I never called him an idiot anywhere. I said he was fringe and he needs to present evidence for his ideas. Going to the media before publishing is always a really bad look. It makes you look like a crackpot whether your work is good or not. It's on him to present the evidence and make a convincing case. You guys might be convinced by a video or article, but I'd like to see the paper.
You are either a total idiot, a shill or a troll but, you are so unhinged that you are causing even unaware people to start questioning themselves. When you promote an idea everyone starts running away.
So, I would like to thank you for that! Go INSANER!
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07-13-2021, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
wincel in order to create a paper I believe you would need access to good data. I've heard a few times now that the data collection process is trash AND that the data is being "lock boxed" for lack of a better term.I never called him an idiot anywhere. I said he was fringe and he needs to present evidence for his ideas. Going to the media before publishing is always a really bad look. It makes you look like a crackpot whether your work is good or not. It's on him to present the evidence and make a convincing case. You guys might be convinced by a video or article, but I'd like to see the paper.
Leaving aside any theories around bioweapons, does this not seem at least a little bit odd to you?
"Our agencies have done nothing to mitigate the risks of the vacccine. It's called risk mitigation.
I've chaired over 2 dozen boards for the FDA and the National Institutes For Health.
With this program there is no Critical Event Committee, there is no Data Safety Monitoring Board and there is no Human Ethics Committee. Those structures are mandatory for all large clinical investigations.
So the word for what's really being used is malfeasance by those in positions of authority. And without any safety measures you can see what's going on. We're administering, basically this is the largest application of, um, a biological product with the greatest amount of morbidity and mortality in the history of our country."
If the vaccine is "safe and effective" then why aren't the normal procedures being followed? Why would he lie about this? Seems like something that shouldn't be too tough to verify.I've chaired over 2 dozen boards for the FDA and the National Institutes For Health.
With this program there is no Critical Event Committee, there is no Data Safety Monitoring Board and there is no Human Ethics Committee. Those structures are mandatory for all large clinical investigations.
So the word for what's really being used is malfeasance by those in positions of authority. And without any safety measures you can see what's going on. We're administering, basically this is the largest application of, um, a biological product with the greatest amount of morbidity and mortality in the history of our country."
What is so special about this vaccine that risk mitigation was excluded from the process?
Why is there no Human Ethics Committee?
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07-13-2021, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted By brosapiens⏩
Yes. Not only is it allowed, but it is encouraged to find alternative treatments. If he is right and can show that his treatments work, it would save a lot of hospitals money. There are many doctors interested in cheaper therapies. There would also be a great deal of interest in the safety of vaccines. If the vaccines are actually dangerous, and he has some theoretical reasons as well as experimental (clinical) evidence, this would be of great interests to doctors, insurance companies, and other people who stand to lose if patients die under their care on their recommendation to take the vaccines.Do you really believe a paper on the subject that is being discussed in the video would ever be allowed?
You are either a total idiot, a shill or a troll but, you are so unhinged that you are causing even unaware people to start questioning themselves. When you promote an idea everyone starts running away.
So, I would like to thank you for that! Go INSANER!
You are either a total idiot, a shill or a troll but, you are so unhinged that you are causing even unaware people to start questioning themselves. When you promote an idea everyone starts running away.
So, I would like to thank you for that! Go INSANER!
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07-13-2021, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
He's a professor at a major med school. He could come up with some sort of experiment to show that spike protein bioaccumulates if he believes this to be the case, for example. Even if you think the CDC is walling off the adverse event data, he could at least do that to gain some support for his claim. But btw, he could just contact the TX state government (who right now doesn't seem to be any friend of the CDC lol) and ask them to go and audit every hospital in TX. They could really go and check if the data matches up with what the CDC is reporting. It is within their power. TX is a red state and is highly controlled by the Republican party, so if there is some sort of political game being played here, it would be possible for them to expose the fraud.wincel in order to create a paper I believe you would need access to good data. I've heard a few times now that the data collection process is trash AND that the data is being "lock boxed" for lack of a better term.
Leaving aside any theories around bioweapons, does this not seem at least a little bit odd to you?
If the vaccine is "safe and effective" then why aren't the normal procedures being followed? Why would he lie about this? Seems like something that shouldn't be too tough to verify.
What is so special about this vaccine that risk mitigation was excluded from the process?
Why is there no Human Ethics Committee?
Leaving aside any theories around bioweapons, does this not seem at least a little bit odd to you?
If the vaccine is "safe and effective" then why aren't the normal procedures being followed? Why would he lie about this? Seems like something that shouldn't be too tough to verify.
What is so special about this vaccine that risk mitigation was excluded from the process?
Why is there no Human Ethics Committee?
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Originally Posted By MirinCanadian99⏩
youve had your freedom stripped and you call getting it half ass back for the jab "something in return"I don't really care about all this stuff. I'm not vaccinated out of Liberty Principles. The Government is wishy washy with a return to pre-pandemic life if we all get the jab, hence I won't be taking the jab. What's the point of taking the jab if you can't even take off your mask. I want something in return for taking a rushed jab.
you lose twice in this negotiation lol
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Everything, really ...What is funny about that?
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07-13-2021, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You aren't really explaining your view in detail on why you are hesitant to take a covid 19 vaccine. You keep insisting on a long term trial, and I want to know why you require one to feel safe. What was wrong with the times or locations?You keep making demands, but I would recommend you do your own homework. I recommend looking at studies as related to the efficacy rates between mRNA and adenovirus vaccines, the time at which they were conducted at, and the locations in which they were conducted in.
It seems to me like you don't know even know the topic at hand.
It seems to me like you don't know even know the topic at hand.

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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
So you literally admitted that there is no way you can know the long-term safety of something that has only been around for around a year.Why is a long term study required for safety? Why can't you use theory to predict long term effects? How can there be a long term study for a vaccine released last year? And why does there need to be one to establish safety?
"Efficacy numbers are skewed by the timeline and location of the studies, when compared to the studies that the efficacy numbers of either adenovirus or recombinant protein vaccines resulted from."
Elaborate on this.
"Efficacy numbers are skewed by the timeline and location of the studies, when compared to the studies that the efficacy numbers of either adenovirus or recombinant protein vaccines resulted from."
Elaborate on this.
That's why a large portion of people dont want to take it, simple as that.
Did you forget all the CNN articles showing that a "vaccine in just 18 months would be dangerous" that seemingly have been ignored and swiped under the rug.
I know you remember all of those.
07-13-2021, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted By lolatpaniccels⏩
No. I'm saying we don't have a long term study. But that doesn't mean we cannot predict the long term effects. We know a lot about how the vaccines and their byproducts are metabolized. They know what to expect. All the adverse events thus far have been expected and can occur with a viral infection as well, for example. I don't get why people demand a long term study. It would be nice to have, but this is a recent pandemic and there was an emergency so they approved these vaccines in lieu of a long term test. You could argue they were "rushed out", but the data says they are still very safe. Essentially, you guys are ignoring the entire knowledge of how these vaccines are metabolized. You are pretending we don't know that and evaluating the risk differently as a result.So you literally admitted that there is no way you can know the long-term safety of something that has only been around for around a year.
That's why a large portion of people dont want to take it, simple as that.
Did you forget all the CNN articles showing that a "vaccine in just 18 months would be dangerous" that seemingly have been ignored and swiped under the rug.
I know you remember all of those.
That's why a large portion of people dont want to take it, simple as that.
Did you forget all the CNN articles showing that a "vaccine in just 18 months would be dangerous" that seemingly have been ignored and swiped under the rug.
I know you remember all of those.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Because we want one if we are going to have some concoction that was made in a lab in less than a year injected into us, where the manufacturer has ZERO liability if we get seriously injured or die from it, simple as that.No. I'm saying we don't have a long term study. But that doesn't mean we cannot predict the long term effects. We know a lot about how the vaccines and their byproducts are metabolized. They know what to expect. All the adverse events thus far have been expected and can occur with a viral infection as well, for example. I don't get why people demand a long term study.
They test new cars for years before releasing them to the public for sale.
You can "predict" safety all you want but no way to know for sure until the time has passed.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
So that's your only argument? HahahahahahLike what? You don't see how a cheaper, more effective therapy as well as not killing your patients might be in the best interest of healthcare providers?
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07-13-2021, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted By lolatpaniccels⏩
The liability issue is something I can understand, but we also have to understand that adverse events statistically will happen. If we held them liable while simultaneously giving almost everyone the vaccine, they'd be looking at lawsuits over every subsequent coincidental death to the tune of millions per person. It wouldn't be sustainable. With any kind of medicine, there are a certain number of people who have aberrant autoimmune responses, allergies, etc. When they die, it is unfortunate, but it happens with all therapies or vaccines. The thing to check is how substantially it increases the person's risks and what the benefit is. The clinical trials established that the risk is fairly low. By now, we've had over a hundred million people take these vaccines, and the risks are quite low, with I think under 6000 adverse events reported. Now, whether you believe that data or not is a different story. But there have also been multiple clinical trials as I said. It's hard to fudge everything.Because we want one if we are going to have some concoction that was made in a lab in less than a year injected into us, where the manufacturer has ZERO liability if we get seriously injured or die from it, simple as that.
They test new cars for years before releasing them to the public for sale.
You can "predict" safety all you want but no way to know for sure until the time has passed.
They test new cars for years before releasing them to the public for sale.
You can "predict" safety all you want but no way to know for sure until the time has passed.
07-13-2021, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
OK well don't take mrna tech then. There are non mrna vaccine options too. The new Novavax one seemed very promising. There is also the J&J one, but that one has had slightly more adverse events (but still very safe). Why haven't you taken any vaccine for covid 19? You said you were unvaccinated, and I'm assuming that means all of them -- even the ones that aren't mrna vaccines. You say you aren't hesitant to take a covid 19 vaccine yet here you are unvaccinated.See, this is where the disconnect is. I am not hesitant to take a covid 19 vaccine, I am hesitant to take one based on mRNA tech due to the fact that the long term effects of any mRNA vaccine (not either of the two, I meanany) are not known at all.
I am not basing that on the efficacy studies, the only reason the efficacy came up is because you asked about it specifically. Look it up, I don't have to spoon feed you - but it is kind of fun making you look uneducated.
Do try to keep up with the conversation.
I am not basing that on the efficacy studies, the only reason the efficacy came up is because you asked about it specifically. Look it up, I don't have to spoon feed you - but it is kind of fun making you look uneducated.
Do try to keep up with the conversation.

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Originally Posted By BroImNigerian⏩
There's a coupla megathreads dedicated just to that on bb.com forums.Anyone can claim anything, regardless of whatever side they're on.
It's really simple: if this doctor's claims are true he must have evidence. Where is that evidence of 50k dead directly as a cause of the vaccine?
It's really simple: if this doctor's claims are true he must have evidence. Where is that evidence of 50k dead directly as a cause of the vaccine?
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I get that part too, but they should be liable in cases where it was beyond a reasonable doubt a large contributor in their death.The liability issue is something I can understand, but we also have to understand that adverse events statistically will happen. If we held them liable while simultaneously giving almost everyone the vaccine, they'd be looking at lawsuits over every subsequent coincidental death to the tune of millions per person. It wouldn't be sustainable. With any kind of medicine, there are a certain number of people who have aberrant autoimmune responses, allergies, etc. When they die, it is unfortunate, but it happens with all therapies or vaccines. The thing to check is how substantially it increases the person's risks and what the benefit is. The clinical trials established that the risk is fairly low. By now, we've had over a hundred million people take these vaccines, and the risks are quite low, with I think under 6000 adverse events reported. Now, whether you believe that data or not is a different story. But there have also been multiple clinical trials as I said. It's hard to fudge everything.
If someone that is young, healthy, an athlete and has no comborbidities at 30 years of age gets it and is dead within 48 hours, they should 100% be able to be taken to court for that.
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