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» Vaccine-cels called me out for using this logic to not get it RIGHT NOW [srs wincel]
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post 1642883193 07-15-2021, 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs
So the link vaccine-blood clot is a correlation but the virus-blood clot one is causation - I see.

I don't think my infection rate is low - I literally read it from Public Health England, which controls the National Health Service of England and manages all data in relation to that. I think that is the one most relevant to me given that I live in England?

Unfortunately, they have not broken it down into age groups and I am using the aggregate 0.64% figure in July 2021.
Both are correlated, but you do realize there is a substantially elevated risk of blood clots with covid, right? It's well established. It's far more obvious than the slight increase from the vaccine.

Ok but that isn't a 2 year probability of you getting the virus, for example. That's the wrong number to be using. That rate changes as the disease spreads too. You need to be looking at probability of transmission and local cases and try to estimate your risk. You'll see that if you live in a predominantly unvaccinated area with even a small number of cases, you will see the probability of you getting the infection within the next year or two to be very high. Look at what happened in NY. What started as 1 case in the US became millions. Your entire method of assessing your risk is incorrect.
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Originally Posted By pantiespending
Those Chinese broads from rite aid were hot for sure. I’d Fucj with them no doubt on that. Problem of course is can’t really do anything with China until this Covid situation is resolved. Still those broads rite aid were cool.. sorry id got cross over there a moment due to the whole situation with Chinese people from big tech and the dems thinking they’d been able to dictate my constitutional rights based off some dumb ****... anyways. Yeah I’d love tj smash those broads. Too bad it would be of little benefit to China until they’re all done that whole situations with ugh you know? Covid
Originally Posted By pantiespending
Yo I was like? Man I wish I would have went home with those ladies but of course? I was research chemicals and **** so it was no dice. Which of course is exactly what the dems wanted. Not that I blame the females but it’ll be so glorious to make them all pay dearly
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs
In the UK, they give either Pfizer or AZ and I don't think you have the choice. No private commercial ones are available.
In the UK, if you are under 40, you get Pfizer or Moderna
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That’s when you say “I’ll do what I fkin want to do”
brb haven’t met one vaxcel who doesn’t get defensive or mad when you tell them you didn’t get it.

No “vax” for HIV after 40 years of research. No vax for cancer after 100 years of research. No vax for the common cold and yet a virus mysteriously appears and Within 12 months a “vax” is found by 4 pharma companies all within 1 week and we are mandated to take it ….
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https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-upd...vid-19-vaccine
Theoretically, it’s possible, but it’s possible in the same way that it’s possible for almost any product we use. Is there a minor ingredient in your lip gloss that will someday increase your risk of skin cancer? Who knows? Science can’t prove a negative, so we can’t say definitively that something like this isn’t true or won’t happen. But we can talk about probabilities, and in the case of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, both scientists and medical professionals believe that the potential long-term risks are very, very low.

“We base this assessment not only on what we know of vaccines, in general,” says Medical Director Cecilia Stuopis, “but also what we know about mRNA vaccines in particular.”

Any vaccine can cause short-term side effects. Vaccine side effects are well known, well documented, and almost always seen within eight weeks of vaccination. That’s not to say that there haven’t been claims of vaccines causing delayed deleterious effects. Over the years, vaccines have been suspected of being linked to disorders ranging from autism and multiple sclerosis to type 1 diabetes. Each of these claims has been carefully investigated and systematically refuted.

What we know about mRNA adds to our confidence in the safety of these new vaccines. While this technology seems new, these vaccines are the culmination of more than three decades of research. Researchers have studied the use of mRNA in vaccines for influenza, Zika, and rabies. It’s also been studied as a treatment for cancer.

The Pfizer/Biotech and Moderna mRNA vaccines contain an mRNA molecule wrapped in a lipid nanoparticle (LNP) envelope. The LNP is a biodegradable ball of fat with a half-life of about two hours. It lasts just long enough to protect the mRNA from degrading before it enters your cells. The mRNA itself is a blueprint — detailed instructions for the cells to create harmless pieces of a specific spike protein that’s found on the surface of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Once the mRNA uses the body’s cells to make this spike protein piece, the mRNA also degrades and disappears, as mRNA always does.

In mammalian cells, mRNA lifetimes range from several minutes to several days. The mRNA molecule in a COVID-19 vaccine begins to disintegrate after about six hours and is completely gone in 48. Meanwhile, your body recognizes that the spike protein doesn’t belong and starts creating antibodies to remove it. These are the same kind of antibodies you would make during a natural COVID-19 illness, and it prepares your immune system to fight the actual virus if you encounter it.

“After two days, there’s nothing left of the mRNA, and the lipid envelope is long gone,” Stuopis emphasizes. “Nothing sticks around to cause problems in the future. And while the mRNA inserts itself into the body’s cells and uses the cellular machinery to create that harmless piece of spike protein, it cannot possibly affect your DNA, because it never enters the cell’s nucleus, where your DNA resides.”

While doctors and scientists consider the risks of vaccination to be very low, the risks of COVID-19 are very real, even for children. “It’s true that COVID-19 is a mild illness for most children,” Stuopis acknowledges. “But I’d still consider the risk of complications from infection with the virus to be higher than any risk of long-term complications from vaccination.”

More than 4,000 children in the U.S. have developed a serious but rare complication of COVID-19 known as multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C). And there have been increasing reports of children exhibiting long-term complications similar to those of adult “long haulers.” A study of 129 Italian children diagnosed with COVID-19 between March and November, 2020, found that more than half reported at least one symptom persisting for four months or longer. These persistent symptoms included fatigue, muscle and joint pain, headache, insomnia, respiratory problems, and heart palpitations; 42.6 percent reported that these symptoms interfered with their ability to participate in normal daily activities. Already, hospitals in Michigan and Kentucky have created specialized clinics to treat pediatric long-haulers.

MIT Medical Pediatrician Ed Levy notes that some parents have expressed concern about reports of transient myocarditis, a typically short-lived inflammation of the heart muscle, following vaccination. “There have been cases in the U.S., Europe, and Israel,” he reports. “Most have occurred in young males, usually within four days of vaccination, and more often after the second dose than the first. In general, cases have been mild and have responded well to anti-inflammatory medications.”

More concerning, Levy says, is the risk of permanent damage from infection with the virus itself. Many scientists believe that myocarditis is most often an autoimmune reaction triggered by an inciting event, such as a viral infection. “It’s possible that vaccination could also trigger this type of autoimmune response,” Levy says, “but because the SARS-CoV-2 virus is invasive of many cell types and has many more genes, the risk is much greater with natural infection than with the vaccine.” Indeed, after observing multiple children who developed heart problems after even mild to moderate illness, the cardiology department at the Children’s Hospital & Medical Center in Omaha, Nebraska, is now recommending post-COVID cardiac evaluations for young athletes.

Finally, it’s important to remember that vaccinating your daughter isn’t just about protecting her. Vaccination also protects the important people in your child’s life — her teachers, her friends, her grandparents, and other loved ones. Because while kids may be less likely to get very sick with COVID-19, there’s evidence that children over the age of 10 can spread the virus just as efficiently as infected adults. The pandemic has been hard on kids, who have had their playdates curtailed, their schooling interrupted, and their opportunities for social interaction scaled back. By choosing to vaccinate your child, you’re throwing open the doors and allowing her back into a happier, safer world.
So basically what I said. We know how the mrna vaccines are metabolized. You really don't need a long term study. It's nice, but not necessary given that this is a pandemic.

Any concerns you have over long term effects of covid 19 ought to end, by all rights, here. Have any of you checked out the ingredients of the pfizer vaccine? Barring allergies or autoimmune responses to the vaccine, which are expected and cannot be avoided, it is very very safe.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs
- based on the sentiments above the extra benefit chance is so low I want to wait;
Perfectly reasonable assessment, you're not in a 'risk category' and we know these vaccines are experimental with emergency use authorization - waiting for the outcome of clinical trials in a few years is 100% the right thing to do
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Originally Posted By meatlog
Perfectly reasonable assessment, you're not in a 'risk category' and we know these vaccines are experimental with emergency use authorization - waiting for the outcome of clinical trials in a few years is 100% the right thing to do
Not reasonable and wrong.
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Originally Posted By miscbro333
In the UK, if you are under 40, you get Pfizer or Moderna
or neither
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Originally Posted By meatlog
or neither
Ok you have the option to get. The point is you aren't offered the AZ, which was the basis for the OP
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs
Gee, IDK, don't have any pics but I do have a nice video.

Too bad I can't post it or rep you with an Imgur link to it (on spread).


If only it was somehow found on imgur.com followed by /a/1kSr1sa
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Better to just say you got it so people shut the fuk up. Thankfully I can lie as easily as I breath heh. Much less headache than trying to use logic/reasoning with low IQ tards SRS
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I have to say, save for the peanut question wincel has finally successfully presented his point and tipped me back to 50/50 on getting the vaccine. The only reason I have now against getting the jab is the fact that we do not yet know the long term outlook on vaccine injuries being this is still brand new. Specific concern is the vaccine causes the cells to manufacture the spike protein itself. I don't get why they have to go this route when traditional vaccines have been shown safe and effective. Sounds like a recipe for chit going haywire. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but still-why not a dead virus vaccine?

What would you say if there were long term affects? Or if the blood clotting issue has been under reported (as many medical conditions are)? Auto-immune diseases, cancer, or other complications?

This is seriously the best debate on the vaccine here so far, glad I didn't skip over it due to the title and weariness.

Edit-wow, just read the MIT article.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs
And I think you don't get this - you made several claims ITT that taking the vaccine is the rational choice. Despite, plenty of contextual data showing it is not that black-or-white.
He's a retard who thinks he's a pro on c19 after reading way too many leftist BS "news" articles online. Typical no-life leftist trash
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Originally Posted By Johnez
I have to say, save for the peanut question wincel has finally successfully presented his point and tipped me back to 50/50 on getting the vaccine. The only reason I have now against getting the jab is the fact that we do not yet know the long term outlook on vaccine injuries being this is still brand new. Specific concern is the vaccine causes the cells to manufacture the spike protein itself. I don't get why they have to go this route when traditional vaccines have been shown safe and effective. Sounds like a recipe for chit going haywire. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but still-why not a dead virus vaccine?

What would you say if there were long term affects? Or if the blood clotting issue has been under reported (as many medical conditions are)? Auto-immune diseases, cancer, or other complications?

This is seriously the best debate on the vaccine here so far, glad I didn't skip over it due to the title and weariness.

Edit-wow, just read the MIT article.
To address the first point, the mrna vaccines get taken up more easily, are easier to produce, and can produce more of the antigen, leading to stronger immunity. Because of this, they were first to market.

The conventional vaccines came later, but unsurprisingly, they have had more issues. They are, however much easier to store, making overall costs lower.

Could there be long term effects? Yeah and it would be the worst oopsie in human history. But it most likely won't happen because we know how these vaccines are metabolized.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243

The NEJM link is the 40,000 person study on the pfizer vaccine. The Nature article goes into how mrna vaccines work.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs
In a group with 3 vaccine-cels (virus tested negative, vaccinated and possibly pegged by their GFs) playing poker and here was my logic when they gasped "Why are you not vaccinated yet?":

So I told them simple math:

- 0.002% to get a blood clot from Astra-Zeneca (specifically for my age range) Source: EU Medicines Agency March 2021 data

- 0.0025% to get Covid with so bad side effects that I need hospital admission (generous because not adjusted for my age range) Source: Public Health England (where I live) July 2021 data

- I don't want to travel anywhere for the next 2 years and visit restaurants because I am busy with 3 side projects on top of interviewing for jobs

- dead serious about the above because I also live with a Chinese GF with amazing soft feet that rub me until I pop whenever I want

- based on the sentiments above the extra benefit chance is so low I want to wait;
And there’s me thinking you’d make a decent doctor

Ignores the science
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