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post 1643526683 07-24-2021, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted By EiFit91
A healthy society probably wants to keep the fraction of incels low IMO. At some point we need a serious discussion about why this occurs and political intervention to at least stop the trend. Otherwise it will get dangerous.

At this point unfortunately liberals don’t seem to take this issue seriously.
Theres no way the government or the markets can quell the incel epidemic. Only a radical change in our hyper consumerist society would solve the incel problem, and i don't see that happening any time soon. With the increased consumerism, hedonism and virtualization of society people will become more isolated, alienated and easily radicalized.

Incels, hard-core feminists, patriot bros, blmers, lgbtq people. They are all being pushed further and further into their radical echo chambers. Futures not looking good boyos
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incels are too infatuated with meaningless vagina and the fact that the market for "free" vagina is monopolized by good looking males. they can't seem to come to terms with the fact that the sexual market has always been unequal with only a small minority of men having to put relatively no effort into getting women

thats not to advocate 100% for MGTOW, but a lot of men would probably find their energy better expended on things that dont necessitate the validation of women who seem to have this cognitive dissonance between claiming to be more into the person than the size of his jaw/femur/penor
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Originally Posted By Jimmehhh
incels are like the unemployment rate, it doesn't matter what you do, there will always be some. but you wanna keep it low for a healthy society

their grievances are mostly legitimate; they're quite literally the male equivalent of ardent feminists. the only difference is feminism is legitimised and inceldom is ridiculed despite feminism being mostly about phantom problems (like rape culture and pay gaps everyday sexism etc) and inceldom is about legit societal issues for men (loneliness, marxism, complete imbalance in the dating market)

there is no easy fix and it will get way way worse soon.

What's most funny is that it gets spun as a woman's issue. like, there are men who have never having felt the touch of a woman and will probaly die alone never having experienced a relationship and love and some how this isn't a problem

but, women being called names on a forum some how is a big problem.
Honestly what you said is exactly why these "incels" are becoming such a problem. They are becoming an increasingly big, increasingly relevant part of society, and their grievances are legitimate to the point where the average man is echoing a lot of their complaints. It also seems clear how these are a disenfranchised group of people, nobody is supporting them and society just mocks and dismisses them. All of this is leading to a large group of alienated military aged men who have nothing really grounding them to society at large, living in a society that offers nothing for them. This is a disaster waiting to happen as these people get organized with their like-mindedness and similar experiences uniting them.

A good indication is where this is heading is the middle east, this is basically how terrorist organizations got started.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
Society needs to wake up. You can't have 30+ % of young men shut out if sex and dating with no consequences
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Originally Posted By etet1919
I have a suggestion: Why don't these guys seek out a reputable counselor- someone they trust that they could say anything to???? They need a good trusted support system? They should at least try talking to an objective, empathic, highly EDUCATED and EXPERIENCED counselor.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
chads do have unlimited access. With online dating apps, chads can basically get sex on command. Thats a fact and i seen it with my own eyes. That doesnt mean every single woman will smash them, it means they can find someone at any given moment because at any given moment there are horny chicks online.

The 80-20 rule isnt literal. I'm sure the stats dont break down that cleanly. But the general idea is true. Its been proven even with some of these online studies, women only find a like the top 20 ish % of men desirable.

Humans are polygamous by nature, and we're just seeing that play out more clearly than previously. In a pure stat of nature there would be harems for chads and regular men would get essentially nothing
It’s a Chads world . The internet has set ugly guys back 50 years
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Going by the true definition of incel, thats like 20% of guys now but the term is always used to refer to the really fuked up and radical ones and then thats what people think of now when they hear the word incel. Its like saying muslim but referring to the muslims in isis or some chit and equating all muslims to them
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The bit that gets me is that 99.99% of incels are keeping quietly to themselves and making zero trouble for society. That's the essence of LDAR. That's the main outcome of the debunking of the PUA movement. That's the essence of the red/black pill. The thing is bigger than you, and it is pointless beating yourself up and taking personally an evolutionary and societal thing way out of your control. Just accept your fate and go through the motions of living your lonely life, with no expectation that you will ever get any acknowledgement or sympathy. The red pill is that this is actually the best and least painful option for you.

But because some tiny proportion of incels get angry and kill someone, all these lonely men peacefully accepting that society has no place for them are getting portrayed as an evil terroristic threat.
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Originally Posted By Kewbrah
The bit that gets me is that 99.99% of incels are keeping quietly to themselves and making zero trouble for society. That's the essence of LDAR. That's the main outcome of the debunking of the PUA movement. That's the essence of the red/black pill. The thing is bigger than you, and it is pointless beating yourself up and taking personally an evolutionary and societal thing way out of your control. Just accept your fate and go through the motions of living your lonely life, with no expectation that you will ever get any acknowledgement or sympathy. The red pill is that this is actually the best and least painful option for you.

But because some tiny proportion of incels get angry and kill someone, all these lonely men peacefully accepting that society has no place for them are getting portrayed as an evil terroristic threat.
So basically incels are the new islam.
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Originally Posted By JayJ350
So basically incels are the new islam.
Islam is more of a personal choice. But yeah the same dynamic of people holding a huge population accountable for the terrible actions of a tiny minority.
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Originally Posted By EiFit91
Yeah...

Seriously worried though. Allowing the incel rate to go up is a very dangerous social experiment.
It is a problem that has been solved before though.
Originally Posted By Imaneya
I kind of agree with them.

There probably is an over-abundance of men in the west now who would've died off in wars in previous generations.Problem with modern warfare is that just as much women would probably die, which would probably exacerbate the problem - so nice try incels, but not this time.

It's also retarded how every article introduces incels as an evil cult of twisted young men, without realising that the average single guy nowadays is most likely an incel and isn't planning a mass shooting.
Partly wars. Prior to modern medicine and tech a lot more men died from work related injuries and illnesses [more dangerous work than women generally].

And families of means traditionally would try for an heir and a spare. If a third son came along they were sent off to the priesthood where they wouldn't create anylegitimateheirs and they could give up the priesthood if by some chance the first two sons didn't manage to marry and procreate.
Originally Posted By andrepmeet
Those OK Cupid guys are all Harvard guys. It wasn't some random study by idiots. The reason they deleted was cuzz the backlash. They got in a lotta trouble for it. Also it went against their own business model to cash in on simps.

Not to mention all this is proven IRL.Ask a girl how often she sees an attractive guy vs. askin man attractive girl?some girl told me maybe once every couple of weeks whereas i see an attractive woman somewhere everyday.
Okay, but you could also ask the average guy vs. average girl how often they think about sex.
Originally Posted By A-GAME
This. It's also why China will take over or start a war soon. BRB 1 billion people, mostly incels because of one child policies. It's a recipe for disaster when you have a lot of young men with no reason to live and no productive outlet for their natural aggression.
Heard a wealthy man talk about this at a dinner back around 2000.
Originally Posted By suave2000
Theres no way the government or the markets can quell the incel epidemic. Only a radical change in our hyper consumerist society would solve the incel problem, and i don't see that happening any time soon.With the increased consumerism, hedonism and virtualization of society people will become more isolated, alienated and easily radicalized.

Incels, hard-core feminists, patriot bros, blmers, lgbtq people. They are all being pushed further and further into their radical echo chambers. Futures not looking good boyos
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The other thing this article does is assume that all incels are on dat dere alt right white supremacist CT program.

It ignores is the huge number of woke incels (wincels, if you will) who are sitting in their parent's basements, vaccinated masked and isolated, raging about maskless people, Trump and white supremacists, doxxing and cancelling any celebrity who used a wrong pronoun 30 years ago etc. Most of the people doing this are female, but there are still plenty of men doing it and a lot of them would be channelling incel frustration.
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Originally Posted By nielk
one person can change the next 100 years.

look at the nationalist who executed the arch duke of Austria-Hungary. it ignited the war, which ignited the 2nd, which led to communism in Europe, the cold war, etc.
Desperate 19yo incel Gavrilo Princip shoots smug Chad Franz Ferdinand in the neck, transforms the history of the world



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Fukn pizza eating incels when will they learn
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Originally Posted By Inavan
The 80% statistic comes from a now deleted OKCupid post. 20% of the men on the site basically got all the messages.

https://www.yourtango.com/2016285828...ys-crazy-study

That's not surprising as men use terrible photos of themselves and don't create profiles that are attractive to women. They then interpret their lack of success as a reflection of themselves, rather than being bad at taking pictures and writing a profile.

The online dating part matters as the incels spend all their time online. This exacerbates any propensity towards mental illness.

If they socialized and worked on their social skills and had a more positive attitude, their problems would largely go away.
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OK, that stat makes more sense on OK Cuppies. Now I get it. I've never used dating sites/apps so I have little knowledge about that topic. But I can definitely understand using good clear accurate pics. The problem is guys have told me that they meet up with a woman, based on her pic, and she turns out looking NOTHING like her pics in person- a big turn-off for them. I think moderation and realism needs to be kept in mind here (on dating sites) on both sides.

People NEED to good tech skills in order to upload clear, vivid and attention-grabbing pics to "promote" themselves and their personalities. Their pics SHOULDN'T DECEIVE but their pics SHOULD do them justice. Either one is making a mistake. But now I know it IS possible to look worse in non-shopped pics through certain uploading processes on some sites. Tech and basic photography skills, plus an eye for art, will help with this.
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Originally Posted By propreffered7
and this is parroted by guys ego stroking.. i.e. made up chit. guys making themselves sound more important than they are

and incels eat it up and believe it because they have no experience

there's not a male out there that gets 100% of yes's. and yet... online you'll see guys acting like they do

truth is.. everybody is somewhere in between. some guys may lean higher on the scales with more yes's but it's not 100% so they get their rejections too

and contrary to what other people post women aren't running up to them on the street because they're so good looking every day 24/7

the only guys that have unlimited access to women are those with unlimited funds that can pay for it when they want

and for the record, we're switching the definition of "unlimited access" to something more like "finding one when they want"
^^ This is a post!
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Originally Posted By quadfecta
incels are too infatuated with meaningless vagina and the fact that the market for "free" vagina is monopolized by good looking males. they can't seem to come to terms with the fact that the sexual market has always been unequal with only a small minority of men having to put relatively no effort into getting women

thats not to advocate 100% for MGTOW, but a lot of men would probably find their energy better expended on things that dont necessitate the validation of women who seem to have this cognitive dissonance between claiming to be more into the person than the size of his jaw/femur/penor
No, they want girlfriends.
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Originally Posted By propreffered7
and this is parroted by guys ego stroking.. i.e. made up chit. guys making themselves sound more important than they are

and incels eat it up and believe it because they have no experience

there's not a male out there that gets 100% of yes's. and yet... online you'll see guys acting like they do

truth is.. everybody is somewhere in between. some guys may lean higher on the scales with more yes's but it's not 100% so they get their rejections too

and contrary to what other people post women aren't running up to them on the street because they're so good looking every day 24/7

the only guys that have unlimited access to women are those with unlimited funds that can pay for it when they want

and for the record, we're switching the definition of "unlimited access" to something more like "finding one when they want"
You’re ignoring the fact that incels don’t get anything. They’re not concerned that Chad gets so much. They’re concerned because they get nothing while Chad gets matches everyday.
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Originally Posted By JayJ350
All of this is leading to a large group of alienated military aged men who have nothing really grounding them to society at large, living in a society that offers nothing for them.
WW3 is coming,
china with its skewed gender ratio and the west with its disenfranchised males

Would incels fight for a society that treats them like trash?
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Originally Posted By aherpderp
WW3 is coming,
china with its skewed gender ratio and the west with its disenfranchised males

Would incels fight for a society that treats them like trash?
Incels aren't going to risk their lives for a status quo like this
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Originally Posted By SnipeItLikePro
You’re ignoring the fact that incels don’t get anything. They’re not concerned that Chad gets so much. They’re concerned because they get nothing while Chad gets matches everyday.
yea i know.. but what incels do is don't get matches and then read "chads" talking bs

chad makes it seem women come running up to him and he's "approached" every place he walks to and women just come up to him because he's a non celebrity and so good looking. when more likely.. its like a woman approaches him every once in a while and he has a good night outmostof the time

so "chad" is ego stroking, again, making himself sound more important than he is either through delusional grandiosity and or lack of intelligence and the "incels" eat it up - fueling their jealousy and envy because they have no frame of reference and take it as gospel
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Originally Posted By SnipeItLikePro
No, they want girlfriends.
This.

Almost none of them talk about wanting to get to get laid if it doesn't lead to something more meaningful or its mentioned in the vein of at least having a choice in the matter aka Chad's harem of acknowledgement.
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Originally Posted By katya422
Partly wars. Prior to modern medicine and tech a lot more men died from work related injuries and illnesses [more dangerous work than women generally].

And families of means traditionally would try for an heir and a spare. If a third son came along they were sent off to the priesthood where they wouldn't create anylegitimateheirs and they could give up the priesthood if by some chance the first two sons didn't manage to marry and procreate.
Sure.

Even now though, the female population is still higher than the male population by 1 or 2 % in western countries. I guess the deficit of men is not big enough.
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Originally Posted By propreffered7
yea i know.. but what incels do is don't get matches and then read "chads" talking bs

chad makes it seem women come running up to him and he's "approached" every place he walks to and women just come up to him because he's a non celebrity and so good looking. when more likely.. its like a woman approaches him every once in a while and he has a good night outmostof the time

so "chad" is ego stroking, again, making himself sound more important than he is either through delusional grandiosity and or lack of intelligence and the "incels" eat it up - fueling their jealousy and envy because they have no frame of reference and take it as gospel
Dude no. The chads i know have slept with 100s of women or as many as they want to.

Then you have a lot of guys who get literally nothing.

Nobody is saying chad can get whoever he wants. We're saying all the women are sleeping with the top tier and the bottom of guys get nothing
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Problem now days is most women are messed up by feminism or obesity and have access to many other men

They really only need a chad or a provider they won't have sex with

This is just how things are now it isn't the 90s anymore

The family unit is pretty much gone in 2021

Things really changed around 2012 when 4th wave feminism told women they don't need no man and can sloot around in 20s and focus on career and online dating became the norm giving access to any man within a 50 mile radius. Just look it up.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
Dude no. The chads i know have slept with 100s of women or as many as they want to.

Then you have a lot of guys who get literally nothing.

Nobody is saying chad can get whoever he wants.We're saying all the women are sleeping with the top tierand the bottom of guys get nothing
you guys have this cartoonish view of the world

there are men who are in the top 5% who slay, there are men in the top 20% who do ok, and there are men in the top 80% who get some

then there is the bottom 20% who go without

there are not enough of the top 5% (the cartoonish 'chads' you think of) to go around. women who cannot get access to the top 5% of men still want men so they pick men who are not in the top 5%

they pick men who are non-chads but are ranked above themselves (dating up)

fortunately for men, you can compensate in other areas other than your physical appearance, so it's up to you to develop those areas and breakout of inceldom - or dont and stay an incel.

it's in your hands; complaining about how unfair it is - even if you're right - doesnt help you in any way.
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Originally Posted By Jimmehhh
you guys have this cartoonish view of the world

there are men who are in the top 5% who slay, there are men in the top 20% who do ok, and there are men in the top 80% who get some

then there is the bottom 20% who go without

there are not enough of the top 5% (the cartoonish 'chads' you think of) to go around. women who cannot get access to the top 5% of men still want men so they pick men who are not in the top 5%

they pick men who are non-chads but are ranked above themselves (dating up)

fortunately for men, you can compensate in other areas other than your physical appearance, so it's up to you to develop those areas and breakout of inceldom - or dont and stay an incel.

it's in your hands; complaining about how unfair it is - even if you're right - doesnt help you in any way.
You're missing a few things.

1. You're making the false assumption that women are demanding serious monogamous relationships. This is not true. Young women now would rather share the attractive guys she wants instead of have a regular relationship with a lower tier man.

2. 30% of guys reported not getting any sex. Of the 70% who are, how many of those are with fat chicks? The amount of guys getting consistent satisfying sex and relationships is at the absolute most 50%.

3. In 2021 looks are everything. If you are physically unattractive you won't be able to match online and women won't give you a chance to flirt irl. I know this to be true I get reminded every time I'm out socially
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Lmao @ closeted incels/ sympathisers

If you any of you have plans of doing any harm to anyone due to jealousy or whatever the hell you tell yourselfs, you need to be nervegassed and get rid off immediately.

Sick people, have never met one in my life and I hope I never do.
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Originally Posted By Imaneya
Sure.

Even now though, the female population is still higher than the male population by 1 or 2 % in western countries. I guess the deficit of men is not big enough.
I highly doubt that small percentage of "extra" women is in the age group being discussed here. Women still on average live longer and are more likely to spend years as widowers.

IIRC women under 30 are in relatively short supply vs. the number of men seeking women under 30, then over 50 it flips and there are a lot more women available than interested men. Probably part of the MILF trend, young guys wanting to smash, but too hard to compete for women their own age.
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Japan's the canary in the coal mine.

-Fewer job opportunities that pay a living wage than there are people, thanks to automation.

-Education is a tightrope... you have to crush high school, get into a great college, and STEMmaxx there if you want a job at Honda or whatever big azz keiretsu.

-If you fall off the education tightrope with like a chitty 8th grade high school entrance exam, get fukked boyo. No job and apt for you.

-Women want nothing to do with broke beta providers that can't even beta provide.

-Mass amount of incels.

-Just sitting around in their parents' place kind of whiling their life away and waiting to die.


Everything there can be translated to the West 100%. News articles have gone from "lol, those wacky Japanese", to "oh chit, this is us."
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