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post 1644313183 08-05-2021, 08:44 AM
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Just got my second dose of Pfizer. Feeling a bit tired and sleepy. Hope when I get home I l will feel better.
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Originally Posted By stevemckenna⏩
Would you be fighting alongside with us if you didn't lose your job? I see the inevitable end but I intend to hold off as long as possible.
Oh most definitely. I wouldn't want to get something that was only released for emergency use only. I am very healthy and I have a strong immune system, but these *******s gave me no choice.
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Originally Posted By MinisterOfLust⏩
Just got my second dose of Pfizer. Feeling a bit tired and sleepy. Hope when I get home I l will feel better.
Try not to fall asleep for at least the first 12 hours following final dose. Pls, stay safe.
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
Try not to fall asleep for at least the first 12 hours following final dose. Pls, stay safe.
Why is that ? I still haven't reach home yet and since I am outside I decided to go to the mall, and I thought I was going to pass out in the store because I feel so sleepy and tired.
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Originally Posted By GM54⏩
Delta Variant - can make you sick even with vaccine. Can still spread virus.

Lamda/Epsilon Variants - being reported in Pakistan and Peru. Both Vaccine resistant and still very easy to spread.

the NON FDA APPROVED vaccine we are all talking about does nothing butpotentiallykeep you from being hospitalized. Does nothing to prevent spread. So... why force people to take it????
Up next: omega variant where you get it by looking at someone with it! Guaran-damn-tee stupid sheep would lap that up too.
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Anecdotal and all I know; but a co-workers' son(mid 20s) got the vaccine and had to be rushed to the hospital for major heart issues and almost died.
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Not giving my kids the jab considering their risk of major issues form covid is super low
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I got angry today and decided I had enough. I ran upstairs and told my wife and her boyfriend that Tina (not Tim anymore, they like to deadname her/she) will be getting the covid shot. They laughed at me but little do they know I'll be taking her the next time they go out drinking. The local clinic is offering free donuts.
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Her parents waited wayyy to long. We should be injecting vaccine into the amniotic sac during pregnancy. This will ensure health care workers are protected during delivery.
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Originally Posted By MinisterOfLust⏩
Why is that ? I still haven't reach home yet and since I am outside I decided to go to the mall, and I thought I was going to pass out in the store because I feel so sleepy and tired.
chit, already feeling it? Good call going to mall, best to stay as active as possible. Just remember, 12 hours.
Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Someone jumps you at night and puts a gun to your head, says give me your wallet or die - they're not forcing you to give them your wallet, that's just asking while provide a consequence for noncompliance. Right guise?

You aren't being forced to provide the wallet since you have the option of choosing to get shot in the head? Guise?

At best that's just a mild form of coercion which is totally acceptable and doesn't violate the Nuremburg code (quoted below)? Right?
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
That’s not forcing.
Coercion. Just as bad.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
solid as fuk argument/response. very well thought out. I don't worship any deity fwiw.
your retarded post doesn't warrant a response. Comparing a private policy to being robbed at gun point is beyond insane.

If you can't see that, then you are even more dense than I thought
Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
Coercion. Just as bad.
Conditions of employment is not coercion.
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post 1644323623 08-05-2021, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
Conditions of employment is not coercion.
That's just not true. It is legislated on quite a lot actually. A big example is when union dues are a condition of employment for those that refuse to join the union or disagree with their views.

Vaccination would be a different issue to debate on, but right now the people who are demanding vaccination are bolstered by the clear bias in media reporting and censorship of alternative covid treatments.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
right. it doesn't warrant a response because you don't have an argument. JFL.

Give up wallet, or lose life

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Take the vax, or lose job (aka money for food, shelter, healthcare).

Coercion: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

Telling someone they will be fired if they don't inject - that's not a threat according to you. The employer isn't even liable for damages if the vax messes them up. JFL
holy fuk...

Give up wallet, or lose life- a scenario where the initial event is beyond your control or knowledge

Take the vax, or lose job (aka money for food, shelter, healthcare).- a scenario where the subject can seek an alternative arrangement. aka ITS NOT THE ONLY FUKKING JOB IN THE WORLD


with regards to it being coercion or a threat to require vaccinations, you don't have to look any further than the legality of it. Employers can implement any policy or condition for employment, as long as it doesn't violated any employment laws. A policy or condition of employment is not a threat or coercion. Period.
Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
That's just not true. It is legislated on quite a lot actually. A big example is when union dues are a condition of employment for those that refuse to join the union or disagree with their views.

Vaccination would be a different issue to debate on, but right now the people who are demanding vaccination are bolstered by the clear bias in media reporting and censorship of alternative covid treatments.
yeah you're not gonna see it any other way than how you want to see it. Refer to response above. If you don't agree with the terms of employment, it is your right to not work for them, and in turn not forced or coerced into anything. It's really not that complicated.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Right, and employers can't just come up with whatever BS mandates they want on the spot and enforce them. There are signed agreements between the employer and employee at the start of employment regarding what is acceptable as a condition of employment and what isn't. I would be surprised if there was a clause in those agreements that permitted an employer to require mandatory experimental vaccines at a future date as a condition of employment.

In the armed forces and medical field those clauses are probably there (and agreed upon by both parties prior to employment) so in THOSE cases I could understand how employees don't have a choice in the matter, but for anyone else? I doubt it.
My company basically just indicated they were investigating vaccine requirements in an HR e-mail (company is about 800 employees/independent contractors). I'm guessing a clause regarding a specific future condition of employment was a strategy used early in the year when the vaccines were brand new.

With military who knows. There's definitely a bigger sense of "deal with it or leave" to military service especially since they offer enticing benefits. The government is obviously more in lockstep with CDC guidelines and pharma influence.
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
your retarded post doesn't warrant a response. Comparing a private policy to being robbed at gun point is beyond insane.

If you can't see that, then you are even more dense than I thought
You won't debate him but instead stick to name calling, you're a ****ing idiot.
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
yeah you're not gonna see it any other way than how you want to see it. Refer to response above. If you don't agree with the terms of employment, it is your right to not work for them, and in turn not forced or coerced into anything. It's really not that complicated.
I'm speaking about actual case law....lol. Just because you say (x) is a condition of employment doesn't make it acceptable or lawful. As much as you want that to be your clear cut cop-out, it isn't.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
since you claim that an employer telling someone they're fired if they don't get the vax isn't coercion (it is). they are saying they will punish the employee by firing them if they don't inject. plain and simple. punishment for not injecting.
1) its not coercion
2) conditions of employment, no matter how much you disagree with them, is not a "punishment"
Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
you like to focus on what's happening at this very moment, but the insidiousness of that approach is not realizing what effects present actions have on the future. whatever freedoms are taken away from us will never be given back.
but who was slippery slope?
Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
once employers are able to get away with mandating these vaccines, it's only a matter of time before every employer does it, and before they arefederally mandated, and states are also "obliged" to mandate them. so in your example where you say "ITS NOT THE ONLY FUKKING JOB IN THE WORLD",what happens when every job requires the vaccine?.
If it got to that point, don't you think this goes a little beyond the point of concern of just a flu jab? Think about that...
Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
requiring a new vaccine beyond what was initially agreed to at the start of employment violates the initial agreement, unless there is a clause that says the employer can mandate new vaccines.
It doesn't violate anything unless there was a specific agreement regarding that particular condition in the first place...
Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
I'm speaking about actual case law....lol. Just because you say (x) is a condition of employment doesn't make it acceptable or lawful. As much as you want that to be your clear cut cop-out, it isn't.
Link to actual applicable case law (not just somethingsimilarin sentiment)?
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In the womb bro
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
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Link to actual applicable case law (not just something similar in sentiment)?
Dont know what you mean by that. This is pretty much exactly what I was talking about:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus_v._AFSCME

Personally I think you can implicate pharmaceutical company influence and profiteering with adverse events as grounds to reject the vax, but there's alot more separation there vs. this union case that would be hard to prove. To me it's the only logical conclusion especially after major pharma corps funded a Colombia study that "debunked" ivermectin as an effective covid treatment AND hiked prices on vaccines.

The funding was from Janssen (manufactures J&J vaccine), Gilead (manufacturers Remdesivir) and Merck (Has a $1.2 billion anti-viral Covid medication pending EUA). All three companies benefit from eliminating Ivermectin as a widespread standard of care.
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Why would you vaccinate your kid against something they aren't a risk for?
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
These are the only things I can even address because your other comments seem to just be open ended questions.

So for the first two, we'll have to agree to disagree. Telling someone to take the vaccine or get fired is the textbook definition of coercion unless the employee agreed to it prior to starting employment as is the case in the armed forces and/or medical fields, to me that is fact but believe what you want.

As far as it not violating anything, this doesn't make any sense - if an employer hires someone for a data entry job sitting at a desk, but then three months into their job tells them they have to go outside and dig some holes for a couple hours, based on your logic that doesn't violate the employment conditions because it was never agreed on/discussed to begin with..
I don't think it will matter since the government is pro-mandate. But I do consider it coercion, and don't believe that it can be fairly supported as a condition of employment outside of employees whose job duties involve direct work with people who are immunocompromised and therefore aren't able to be protected by vaccination to the same level as those with regular immune function.

Not all conditions of employment are legal and allowed. Under Right To Work laws your employer can't force you to join a union in order to work for them.

But somehow it is okay for an employer to require you to be vaccinated for a virus you may already have natural immunity to in order to keep/get a job that doesn't involve face to face contact with "customers" who can't be protected by vaccination for some reason?
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
Dont know what you mean by that. This is pretty much exactly what I was talking about:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus_v._AFSCME

Personally I think you can implicate pharmaceutical company influence and profiteering with adverse events as grounds to reject the vax, but there's alot more separation there vs. this union case that would be hard to prove. To me it's the only logical conclusion especially after major pharma corps funded a Colombia study that "debunked" ivermectin as an effective covid treatment AND hiked prices on vaccines.

The funding was from Janssen (manufactures J&J vaccine), Gilead (manufacturers Remdesivir) and Merck (Has a $1.2 billion anti-viral Covid medication pending EUA). All three companies benefit from eliminating Ivermectin as a widespread standard of care.
I'm not a communist but crap like this makes me want to see the pharmaceutical industry taken over and nationalized.

Your money or your life is something that armed robbers say. Health isn't the right place for blatant unbridled profiteering.

ETA: In case I wasn't clear and you think I'm just anti-capitalist what is described here is a cartel, or close enough.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
These are the only things I can address because your other comments seem to just beopen ended questions. .
that's how communication typically works...
Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
So for the first two, telling someone to take the vaccine or get fired is the textbook definition of coercion unless the employee agreed to it prior to starting employment as is the case in the armed forces and/or medical fields. The fact that they can currently get another job is irrelevant. It is loss of income for some undetermined period of time due to not wanting to get the vaccine, period.
It's not though. You can't just keep saying that it is and think that makes you right... I would agree with you if there was a "no vaccine required" document that was signed by both parties at time of employment, and then the employer changed it, it would at least be a breach of contract
Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
To me that is factbut believe what you want.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
As far as it not violating anything, this doesn't make any sense - if an employer hires someone for a data entry job sitting at a desk, but then three months into their job tells them they have to go outside and dig some holes for a couple hours, based on your logic that doesn't violate the employment conditions because it was never agreed on/discussed to begin with.. of course digging holes isn't a terrible thing, but I'm just using it as an example for whatever the unexpected work might be, to make my point.
Actually when employed, you are given an outline of responsibilities and expectations. The employer cannot just change these duties, and would be found in breach of contract.
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Covid would have to be ravishing children for me to give my child an experimental drug.


1. This Covid vaccine (so far)
2. The flu shot
3. And I wouldn’t get my daughter the HPV vaxx if was in question.


Other than those I’m pro vaxx. I’m sure there’s more sketchy examples but those are the 3 I’m against atm personally. I’ve had the flu one time in the past 30 years (since I quit getting the shot) prior had flu several times. All of this is anecdotal (minus Covid vaxx maybe) of course, but I can’t imagine based on the current statistics why any parent would let their child get this one right now.
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Originally Posted By yeshli2nuts⏩
Still trust the vaccine for my kid more than I trust her getting the Wuhan virus. Just LOL at you people who are afraid of the vaccine but not if the Chinese manufactured virus. We'll see who's laughing in three years when all the infected people start dropping dead. The Chinese did something to this virus and unfortunately all you people are acting so tough it's gonna hit you right in the face one day. Don't forget, many many viruses live dormant in the body for many years before they suddenly come back to life in a very harsh way.
The vax won’t stop you from getting covid tho and I honestly think the virus was designed to do exactly what it did kill off people who are already incredibly old and overweight and close to death to deal with overpopulation in canada
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has there been any evidence of OP's claims?
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I'm not a communist but crap like this makes me want to see the pharmaceutical industry taken over and nationalized.

Your money or your life is something that armed robbers say. Health isn't the right place for blatant unbridled profiteering.

ETA: In case I wasn't clear and you think I'm just anti-capitalist what is described here is a cartel, or close enough.
Trust me I'm with you. I'm increasingly anti-capitalist as well which of course raises the question that you must be socialist/communist. A false dialectic.

I've gotten really into the "third position" and looking into alternate systems of government. Truth is, capitalists/bankers have absolutely ravaged the freedoms and opportunities of the common man for centuries.
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