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post 1645605143 08-24-2021, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
yeah I'm not an idiot and family members are actually doctors and surgeons. JFL at paramedic training. I have First Aid, lemme weigh in. Yes I'll value the opinion of doctors more than your opinion or 'Fire Fighter'


Who wants to weigh in next? the plumbers?


Here we literally have now the truckies...they released a video about their opinion on the vaxx


opinions are like as$holes, everyone have them.



I'm really sorry brah and OP, but your opinion literally have ZERO weight on this.

It literally doesn't matter what you think or observe, you cannot interpret any medical journal/research and neither can I. You have zero context.


Your observation is similar to someone standing on the gate of a hospital counting the people going in on a random day and drawing conclusions. It doesn't matter, no one will listen or take it seriously. It doesn't hold any value - Stick to your lane.
actually observation is incredibly important in all aspects of science including medicine , the original chinese doctor OBSERVED a new respiratory illness that people were getting in Wuhan before he got merked
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Originally Posted By Griggz⏩
A coworker was vaccinated less than 2 weeks ago and had a heart attack yesterday. It was from a blood clot, but he's ok now.


I am not pointing fingers at the vaccine, but that's because he used to be a druggie. He's been through rehab and clean for like 7 years. He's a skinny dude, but he drinks around 4 bangs per day. Aside from that, he's just an average late 30s guy. He took the vaccine because the company i work for is doing a weekly raffle for $1k to anyone who gets the vaccine.
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My best theory/guess: Most people who get vaccinated are fine, both shots.

I think the problems arise when you have someone who is already predisposed towards an issue, whether bad genetics or bad lifestyle or just being older (or, some combination of those). I also fear, the more times you are jabbed, the closer it pressed one towards whatever crack they have. It seems like most people's big problems are with the second jab and there might be some kind of build-up. Unfortunately, as it seems very likely we're heading towards both mandates AND mandated boosters -- if I'm right at all, we'll see it over time and it would get worse and worse.
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
Fortunately we don't live in the 1920s anymore, that was 100 years ago. The world has moved on. Your genius Americans used to die of food poisoning from your supermarkets.
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
yeah I'm not an idiot and family members are actually doctors and surgeons. JFL at paramedic training. I have First Aid, lemme weigh in. Yes I'll value the opinion of doctors more than your opinion or 'Fire Fighter'


Who wants to weigh in next? the plumbers?


Here we literally have now the truckies...they released a video about their opinion on the vaxx


opinions are like as$holes, everyone have them.



I'm really sorry brah and OP, but your opinion literally have ZERO weight on this.

It literally doesn't matter what you think or observe, you cannot interpret any medical journal/research and neither can I. You have zero context.


Your observation is similar to someone standing on the gate of a hospital counting the people going in on a random day and drawing conclusions. It doesn't matter, no one will listen or take it seriously. It doesn't hold any value - Stick to your lane.
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
LOL sensitive lill ****guet, next time I'll agree with you








sure, I agree. But now you have the entire world's medical community working on this day and night, surely they're not all dumb and can't see things?

I get, we're pissed. And sure, maybe in the US doctor's are 'afraid of being cancelled' (although I doubt it), but this is not the case in Australia. No one's getting cancelled and they can say whatever the fk they want.

In fact the guy who advised the premier here to lockdown just changed his mind and advised against it and went on TV. It's not a 1984 novel, and no, a random mister is not going to observe something that the world's medical have failed to observe.
i don't think anyone in the world take anything that Australia says very seriously these days fella ...and i'm in the UK!

things are constantly changing all the time and more and more is being discovered , you ignore first hand accounts of people on the day to day job at your peril don't fall of your high horse
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
Fortunately we don't live in the 1920s anymore, that was 100 years ago. The world has moved on. Your genius Americans used to die of food poisoning from your supermarkets.
You think I care what a kangaroocel thinks?

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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
Fortunately we don't live in the 1920s anymore, that was 100 years ago. The world has moved on. Your genius Americans used to die of food poisoning from your supermarkets.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
My best theory/guess: Most people who get vaccinated are fine, both shots.

I think the problems arise when you have someone who is already predisposed towards an issue, whether bad genetics or bad lifestyle or just being older (or, some combination of those). I also fear, the more times you are jabbed, the closer it pressed one towards whatever crack they have. It seems like most people's big problems are with the second jab and there might be some kind of build-up. Unfortunately, as it seems very likely we're heading towards both mandates AND mandated boosters -- if I'm right at all, we'll see it over time and it would get worse and worse.
I agree bro. That's why I wanted to make sure and outline lifestyle choices both current and prior to vaccine status. I think the vaccine is safe, for the most part, but personally think there should be no mandates and that the vax should be peddled more towards fatties and elderly.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
My best theory/guess: Most people who get vaccinated are fine, both shots.

I think the problems arise when you have someone who is already predisposed towards an issue, whether bad genetics or bad lifestyle or just being older (or, some combination of those). I also fear, the more times you are jabbed, the closer it pressed one towards whatever crack they have. It seems like most people's big problems are with the second jab and there might be some kind of build-up. Unfortunately, as it seems very likely we're heading towards both mandates AND mandated boosters -- if I'm right at all, we'll see it over time and it would get worse and worse.
Most people are...in the short term.

Long term, they're not. Look at Israel. They're a great test case since they're about 2-3 months ahead of us.

Their vaccinated population is driving their illnesses now.
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I'm on day 8 or maybe 9 and it was an absolute motherfukker. Easily the sickest I've ever been in my life. That said, the CDC says I'm good for 3 months so I can wait for the Novovax.
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We should focus on actual stats and make sure those stats are honest, but in our day we got politicians who manipulate stats and out right lie to argue points from both sides. Then pretend they have the moral high ground.

Talk to your PCP and if you don't trust them get a new one.
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Originally Posted By MrBourbon⏩
I'm on day 8 or maybe 9 and it was an absolute motherfukker. Easily the sickest I've ever been in my life. That said, the CDC says I'm good for 3 months so I can wait for the Novovax.
Based on people that I actually know and have had tests,antibodies for a year at least.
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Originally Posted By Dan_S⏩
Most people are...in the short term.

Long term, they're not. Look at Israel. They're a great test case since they're about 2-3 months ahead of us.

Their vaccinated population is driving their illnesses now.
When you say illnesses, could you elaborate? I am only familiar with their cases of covid (which from what I've seen, vaccinated people are less likely to get it as unvaccinated are over-represented being hospitalized. Most of their country is vaccinated, something like 2/3 of hospitalizations are vaccinated, but more than 2/3 of the population has been vaccinated - if that makes any sense).

Are they also experiencing an uptick of non-covid autoimmune issues? I wouldn't be shocked if this were the case.

Also, to you or anyone, what are the incidents of people who have already been exposed? What are the figures on their chances to get sick again? I've always assumed very low but it'd be nice to have some actual numbers. I also am curious if there is a difference between the unvaccinated who have already had covid Vs those who decide to get vaccination after. Are they any better or worse off, I wonder?
Originally Posted By x-trainer
Based on people that I actually know and have had tests,antibodies for a year at least.
We talking vaccinated people or those who have had it and recovered? Either way, I would guess the antibodies will wane over time. The key difference, with those who have already had it and have normal/healthy t-cells, they can make new antibodies when required. One reason people who have already had covid keep testing positive for antibodies, my guess - they're constantly being re-exposed and don't even realize it because they never get sick, as their immune systems are functioning as they're supposed to function and they quickly drop new antibodies or reinforce those they still have and deal with the illness.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Based on people that I actually know and have had tests,antibodies for a year at least.
Agreed 100%, and I'm thankful to be coming out with natural immunity.

What I'm saying is (at least for now) the CDC's official stance is that for the next 3 months I'm basically the same as someone who's fully vaxxed:.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...uarantine.html
Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
We talking vaccinated people or those who have had it and recovered? Either way, I would guess the antibodies will wane over time. The key difference, with those who have already had it and have normal/healthy t-cells, they can make new antibodies when required. One reason people who have already had covid keep testing positive for antibodies, my guess - they're constantly being re-exposed and don't even realize it because they never get sick, as their immune systems are functioning as they're supposed to function and they quickly drop new antibodies or reinforce those they still have and deal with the illness.
I'm hopeful this will be the case - that my body keeps getting re-exposed and continues to top up on Antibodies. Coronaviruses mutate slowly so I'm hoping we see research that shows new strains are similar enough that existing antibodies can still at least reduce if not eliminate them. What do you think?
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Originally Posted By Tuga88⏩
There are a lot of doctors, nurses, other roles in the medical field etc. that are experiencing the same but the majority are too afraid to speak out because they know they'll get "cancelled".
This is the general scuttlebutt. That health professionals and academics are muzzled. Reportedly many very qualified people are publishing [casually of course] under assumed names.
Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
actually observation is incredibly important in all aspects of science including medicine , the original chinese doctor OBSERVED a new respiratory illness that people were getting in Wuhan before he got merked
Agree.

At least in the US we have been in a situation where the official narrative is either very much out of date, cherry picked to support a public health goal, or straight up lies.

misc isn't that big, and yet there have been quite a few reports of knowing someone who was sick or even died after being vaccinated. Could be lies. Could be coincidence. But it makes the official talking points that "severe negative medical outcomes from vaccination are vanishingly rare" sound like a big fat lie.
Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
My best theory/guess: Most people who get vaccinated are fine, both shots.

I think the problems arise when you have someone who is already predisposed towards an issue, whether bad genetics or bad lifestyle or just being older [or, some combination of those]. I also fear, the more times you are jabbed, the closer it pressed one towards whatever crack they have. It seems likemost people's big problems are with the second jab and there might be some kind of build-up. Unfortunately, as it seems very likely we're heading towards both mandates AND mandated boosters -- if I'm right at all, we'll see it over time and it would get worse and worse.
Just like most people are fine with the viral infection.

And this [increased toxicity] can't be thrown out as a possibility.

We are giving everyone the same size dosage of vaccine regardless of age, health, or body size. It could be that younger healthier people have a stronger immune response to vaccination and that is why there are more observations of people in those groups suffering negative effects after vaccination.

Maybe we should be giving smaller doses and spacing them out better. They found that 250 mcg of the Moderna vaccine was "too toxic". They also trialed 100 mcg and 25 mcg. When the vaccine was put into production they went with 100 mcg as it showed an overall stronger effect, but after the fact found that 25 mcg worked too.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01893-0

I'm a total nobody, but why the heck wasn't this pursued farther? Why aren't we giving younger/healthier people the smaller dosage at an 8 week interval?

And, yes, if 250 mcg was "too toxic" and you get three doses of 100 mcg my math says that is 300 mcg.
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Ok i had not read that they were only saying 3 months, that seems really really short.

I ask everyone I know that had it, to describe their experiences and as you would guess it varies greatly. All ages all races all BMI.
Much of this is developing, as we are only 18 months in, so I hope that you are good and healthy for the long term. Wouldn't that be ideal and you never have to worry or think about variant xyz ever again.....

Originally Posted By MrBourbon⏩
Agreed 100%, and I'm thankful to be coming out with natural immunity.

What I'm saying is (at least for now) the CDC's official stance is that for the next 3 months I'm basically the same as someone who's fully vaxxed:.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...uarantine.html



I'm hopeful this will be the case - that my body keeps getting re-exposed and continues to top up on Antibodies. Coronaviruses mutate slowly so I'm hoping we see research that shows new strains are similar enough that existing antibodies can still at least reduce if not eliminate them. What do you think?
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
JFL yeah sure no one should listen to doctors, we should listen to Fire Fighters? Nah next time I have a medical issue maybe I'll call the plumbers who fix the toilets in a hospital?


I'd rather listen to a doctor than someone who failed all their subjects in school JFL
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Maybe we should be giving smaller doses and spacing them out better. They found that 250 mcg of the Moderna vaccine was "too toxic". They also trialed 100 mcg and 25 mcg. When the vaccine was put into production they went with 100 mcg as it showed an overall stronger effect, but after the fact found that 25 mcg worked too.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01893-0

I'm a total nobody, but why the heck wasn't this pursued farther? Why aren't we giving younger/healthier people the smaller dosage at an 8 week interval?

And, yes, if 250 mcg was "too toxic" and you get three doses of 100 mcg my math says that is 300 mcg.
I read about the toxicity as well. It'd be news to a lot of people that they are toxic at all. If it's so safe to take, why does it have any toxicity at all?
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Originally Posted By MrBourbon⏩
Agreed 100%, and I'm thankful to be coming out with natural immunity.

What I'm saying is (at least for now) the CDC's official stance is that for the next 3 months I'm basically the same as someone who's fully vaxxed:.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...uarantine.html



I'm hopeful this will be the case - that my body keeps getting re-exposed and continues to top up on Antibodies. Coronaviruses mutate slowly so I'm hoping we see research that shows new strains are similar enough that existing antibodies can still at least reduce if not eliminate them. What do you think?
Only 3 months? I've seen lots of sources say for most it will last longer than that:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
Only 3 months? I've seen lots of sources say for most it will last longer than that:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9
See post 54. I agree but the CDC's official policy is that for the next 3 months I'm the same as fully vaxxed.
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Just lol at this thread. Man you meat heads are so weak minded.
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Originally Posted By MrBourbon⏩
See post 54. I agree but the CDC's official policy is that for the next 3 months I'm the same as fully vaxxed.
Not sure how old you are but many of us read this guys magazines and bought his books.

We have some new information to consider here.........

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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
This is my question.... Where do they draw the line? Shot #5? #6?

I stopped at #0, but these idiots have to see eventually that this is ridiculous.
Oh but don't worry. Elf Fauci says if more people get vaccinated and more people get a booster every 8 months, we'll have some normalcy by Spring 2022!!

-meanwhile Delta caused cases are falling or plateaued in almost every state. The Southern states people were frantic about like Florida and Texas, the Deep South states in between have surpassed their peaks and have declining cases.
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During the spring 2020 I watched the case count grow from 20,000 to 60,000 daily.

This was yesterday....

"Yesterday, the number increased by +229,831"
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
JFL yeah sure no one should listen to doctors, we should listen to Fire Fighters? Nah next time I have a medical issue maybe I'll call the plumbers who fix the toilets in a hospital?


I'd rather listen to a doctor than someone who failed all their subjects in school JFL
firefighters/paramedics are the first one on the scene and are handling the patients in their most acute state. They definitely know a lot about medical issues.

next time youre in a car accident or been stabbed/shot we will wait for the doctor to come get you then
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
JFL yeah sure no one should listen to doctors, we should listen to Fire Fighters? Nah next time I have a medical issue maybe I'll call the plumbers who fix the toilets in a hospital?


I'd rather listen to a doctor than someone who failed all their subjects in school JFL
You're making yourself look absolutely retarded ITT. Just stop *******.
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
Nurses are the female equivalent of tradies, that explains everything about them and why they're so trashy.

Sloots don't like to get their hands dirty and typically prefer to manipulate a man into doing everything for them. Think about how rough and crass a sloot has to then be to do dirty work as a job.
know some nurses 30-35. can confirm massive sloots and chaotic lifestyle.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
During the spring 2020 I watched the case count grow from 20,000 to 60,000 daily.

This was yesterday....

"Yesterday, the number increased by +229,831"
I wonder if the media is going silent more because of Biden? If that's true, 230K cases in a single day, that's no joke.

Btw, that video above with the bodybuilder who got covid, recovered and then got it again and almost died -- I mean, it is what it is, but what is being left out here, if anything? Overall, the stats for re-infection once you get covid are almost zero, it just doesn't seem to be happening. I hate to throw a red flag because this story doesn't 'fit my narrative' but I do find myself wondering if the report is being honest or if there are things being left out or lied about.

In almost all cases, what they reported on isn't happening. Younger, healthy people aren't the ones ending up dead or in the hospital, people who get it almost always never get it twice.
Originally Posted By nn586⏩
You're making yourself look absolutely retarded ITT. Just stop *******.
This thread and the OP, and no offense to the OP - but it *IS* second-hand knowledge from an internet stranger. So, if someone brought that up and wanted to borrow a grain or two of salt, I get it...

... but this idea you need to be a medical professional to report on what the OP claims he saw? Why the **** would that matter? I need to be a doctor to see a person sick with covid who says they're vaccinated? Why? Why do I need medical expertise in that situation? His critique makes no fuking sense, hence why I negged him, it's just fuking stupid for stupidity's sake.

edit: Btw, above on questioning local media. I'm in DFW -- they are running story after story about children's hospitals being overrun with covid cases.

I asked my nurse friend who works at Cook's and got a much more nuanced take and it wasn't just COVID IS DEATH, RUN AND GET VACCINATED NOW NOW NOW! kind of narrative the media was pressing, of course.

Covid cases with children *are* up from last year and they seem to be getting hit harder. There were like 10-20 cases at that time. Keep in mind - last year children were all but immune to covid, almost no cases, almost none dying, few being hospitalized. This year -- it *IS* up, but up from almost zero.

Meanwhile, RSV (which kills 15,000 children annually) is WAY up and has nothing to do with covid. The ICU is loaded with sick babies, because there was a lockdown baby boom (more children means more sick children) and the nursing staff is overworked and being underpaid with dogchit morale and now they're being mandated to get vaccinations.

... so it is a much more nuanced take than the media's hyperbole about covid 100% on it's own driving cases. I saw that and knew it was manipulating the story... I have to be cautious around any story, because that's what the media does.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

- Arthur Schopenhauer
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