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Originally Posted By plebmaximus
Fortunately we don't live in the 1920s anymore, that was 100 years ago. The world has moved on. Your genius Americans used to die of food poisoning from your supermarkets.
ad was from 1949
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Originally Posted By Dec4y
My dad is an anesthesiologist - 90% of the admitted people are unvaxxed and damn near 100% of the people on ventilators are the unvaxxed.....
I'm healthcare so I'm vaccinated, zero side effects for either shot. Of the 12 people in my office, 4 of them were sick the next day, but no other issues.
no its a conspiracy you dont know what you are sayin lmao
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Originally Posted By II
My god I can't believe a paramedic arrived on the scene of someone who was experiencing shortness of breath.

SUCH A DEADLY VACCINE.

Your logic is so fukking flawed bro.

Half the population is vaccinated, which means HALF of your paramedic calls will be to a vaccinated person.

So now you're just assuming every symptom on the house call you made was caused by a vaccine?

Did you ever go on a call before the vaccine or was everyone just healthy and you never had to?

Just lmao.
imagine if you applied that same logic to covid
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Would it be cute if they also added the actual alleged death count?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/HoW7bG6F2Bfi/

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at least 200k
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Originally Posted By JUSA
in case anyone wants to start throwing blame around to the unvaccinated over the delta variant... note that the delta variant was first found in India and before vaccines were rolled out anywhere.
Could possibly blame it on the vaccinated though, considering the vaccine trial in India actually started before the discovery of delta.

Trial of leaky vaccine -> delta
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra
Nurses are the female equivalent of tradies, that explains everything about them and why they're so trashy.

Sloots don't like to get their hands dirty and typically prefer to manipulate a man into doing everything for them. Think about how rough and crass a sloot has to then be to do dirty work as a job.
Your post sucks and isn't relevant. Thread's about a front-line worker's experience seeing countless victims of these vaccines. Regardless how you feel about tradies and nurses, they still have a front row seat to people dropping from this snake oil and consequently have more first hand knowledge than you do. Even if you think tradies are second class citizens, you'd probably believe what a plumber told you about what's wrong with your pipes because it's what they do every day.
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Originally Posted By poolshark472
Your post sucks and isn't relevant. Thread's about a front-line worker's experience seeing countless victims of these vaccines. Regardless how you feel about tradies and nurses, they still have a front row seat to people dropping from this snake oil and consequently have more first hand knowledge than you do. Even if you think tradies are second class citizens, you'd probably believe what a plumber told you about what's wrong with your pipes because it's what they do every day.
But more doctors and nurses recommend it than don't; what do?
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That's funny because I go to my chiropractor for dental advice.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
So there has been a spike in cases with Delta?

Graphic that shows no [significant] correlation between COVID cases in US counties and vaccination rates:



Same author who claims that deaths per million doses is much higher than what is being publicized.
Put another way,the CDC is publishing risk-benefit reports in which they count COVID-19 deaths without analysis of causality, but summarily exclude vaccine-associated deaths without analysis of causality. Such analysis is equivalent to calling all business income "profit" and proof of net productivity without measurement of the costs and resources consumed. But in particular, determining causality rates of the many thousands of vaccine-associated deaths is the CDC's very first responsibility by the Precautionary Principle. Such clear and demonstrable false equivalence in the estimation of the absolute most important possible endpoint [mortality] indicts the vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and everyone else responsible for such reporting.
^^^
This part I believe I understand pretty clearly. This seems like a restatement of something that has been repeated here:
COVID positive > death = COVID death

but

COVID vaccine > death = "correlation doesn't equal causation"
Meanwhile autopsies have been discouraged if not outright denied.
In their 2017 paper, Hauben and Maigen explain the problem known as "signal masking" or simply "masking". To paraphrase:

Masking of high AE magnitude takes place in PRR analysis when drugs or therapeutics are primarily compared with similar medical interventions.

That is to say that nobody familiar with pharmacovigilance signals should expect for PRR or what seems to be a highly similar ARR analysis used in the VSD RCA to detect large numbers of adverse events as signals for concern, including those that can permanently injure or even kill. This view was confirmed by Wisniewski et al [including authors notably employed by Pfizer and Astra-Zeneca] when they concluded that such signals, "are not easily interpretable in terms of clinical impact," stating clearly that, "calculation of PRRs...should not replace nor delay the performance of epidemiological studies."
And he gives an example of how this works with numbers. Admit I'm much less clear on this, but it seems to me the gist is that this method of calculating relative safety is stupidly flawed and he says that the analytics people w/the CDC must be aware.
It seems highly unlikely that the statisticians at the CDC and VSD are unaware of this fact, and it would have been appropriate to demonstrate some kind of sensitivity analysis showing where signals do in fact show up. Instead, the VSD RCA computes p-values, which are similarly inappropriate to the task.A p-value measures the probability of an event occurring by random chance, and any statistician cognizant of that meaning would not be using Fisher's tests to compute a p-value for a statistic such as PRR or ARR that normalizes results [not once, but twice] through clearly related observed events. Even worse, the VSD RCA seems to require even smaller p-values than the usual standard of statistical significance before indicating a safety signal, supposedly to remove false positives.This stands out as another egregious form of statistical masking that is nonsensical on its face.
https://roundingtheearth.substack.co...ty-signals-572

I'm not a numbers gal.
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post 1645645203 08-24-2021, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus
LOL sensitive lill ****guet, next time I'll agree with you








sure, I agree. But now you have the entire world's medical community working on this day and night, surely they're not all dumb and can't see things?

I get, we're pissed. And sure, maybe in the US doctor's are 'afraid of being cancelled' (although I doubt it),but this is not the case in Australia.No one's getting cancelled and they can say whatever the fk they want.

In fact the guy who advised the premier here to lockdown just changed his mind and advised against it and went on TV. It's not a 1984 novel, and no, a random mister is not going to observe something that the world's medical have failed to observe.


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Originally Posted By katya422
I'm not a numbers gal.
That much is clear.

Are you going to just ignore the toxicity discussion?
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus
JFL yeah sure no one should listen to doctors, we should listen to Fire Fighters? Nah next time I have a medical issue maybe I'll call the plumbers who fix the toilets in a hospital?


I'd rather listen to a doctor than someone who failed all their subjects in school JFL
Lol negged you clueless ****g0t. Doctor ruined my adult life with a mistreatment of a flu, blessed me with antibiotic resistant Clostridium Difficile infection. I've read thousands of similar cases because those stupid ****g0ts still use outdated treatments they learned 20 years ago. You have no idea how fukin stupid, careless or corrupt the average GP is, as long as they're making money they don't give a flying fuk about your health.

Respect to firefighter OP.
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the NHS in the UK has just spend 3 BILLION £. on over 3,150,000,000 doses of blood clotting drugs........ i wonder what they are expecting to happen next

big pharma just got paid (again)
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just lol at the opinion of some tradie dumb firefighter no thanks jeffrey
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Originally Posted By Sterilite
imagine if you applied that same logic to covid
covid vaxx = patient dies within 24 hours, it was their health conditions not the vaxx.

covid death = patient dies within 30 days of positive test, death for any reason - it was covid.

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Then what did you mean when you said "increased toxicity" and "too toxic"?

You understand the relationship between half life and dose schedules, right?
By too toxic it clearly means the dosages elicited too strong of an immune response and it gives dangerous side effects.

Try reading the actual article linked instead of linking your own nonsensical article and then responding with passive aggressiveness.
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Originally Posted By jamalfudge
Would it be cute if they also added the actual alleged death count?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/HoW7bG6F2Bfi/

Spoiler!
at least 200k
I posted it because the daily positive cases were questioned and yes we are at 230,000.
The positivity rate was......... at 4%, but now almost 12%.
We are in growth mode.

I am not following the vaccination rates, or death rates, those subjects do not interest me unless they are in my state.
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Here's my take on vaccines and COVID from reading about this chit and personal experience of people around me:

- nobody I know has got COVID since Feb 2020. 2 people got severe flu like symptoms for 2 weeks last year, tested negative to COVID. No explanation for their flu like symptoms once tested COVID negative (lol, medicine at its finest)
- 3 friends had the vaccine, one is double jabbed. 1 friend was sick the day after the vaccine and felt really chit and said "well that's just the vaccine working", is ok now.
The doubled jabbed friend has been fine. She has complained recently of being tired and having a bad migraine but I don't believe it's related. The 3rd friend is fine.

I believe the vaccine side effects are rare BUT they are more common than COVID causing moderate illness.

You are more likely to get negative moderate-severe symptoms as a result of the vaccine than as a result of encountering the virus. There is no evidence that the vaccine reduces the effects of the virus. It does not reduce transmission.

You are still mandated to wear a mask after being double jabbed by the same "medical health experts" despite mounting evidence that masks do nothing to prevent viral transmission (no chit, the virus is 10x smaller than the pore size of the masks). So a vaccine that allegedly reduces COVID symptoms and morbidity still requires you wear a mask that does nothing. And you trust these "experts"? JFL

When I read vaccine trials in animals and humans for bacterial infections, those kunts go from severely ill to perfectly fine because the antibodies from the serum completely neutralize the toxins that cause illness. The unvaxxed controls die while the vaxxed animals remain completely healthy during infection challenge. That is what you define as a proper vaccine. This whole "it may do this and that and hopefully let's see what happens but you can't sue us" means the vaccine does not work and should not be trusted, period.

So why the fuk would anyone take the COVID vaccine? Both the virus and vaccine are money making scams. Covid is marketing on steroids. I feel sorry for anyone that believes it.
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Anecdotes, anecdotes as far as the eye can see.
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Originally Posted By Azure84
By too toxic it clearly means the dosages elicited too strong of an immune response and it gives dangerous side effects.

Try reading the actual article linked instead of linking your own nonsensical article and then responding with passive aggressiveness.
Try reading the source material (clinical trial) rather than the inciting third hand summary that was posted. Research articles don't use terms like "jabs".

In the actual source material, side effects (e.g., sore arm, flu-like symptoms) increased with dosage. The inciting article uses the term "toxicity" to get the reaction we've seen in this thread.
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Originally Posted By OneLegSquats
Anecdotes, anecdotes as far as the eye can see.
Yeah, just like COVID cases
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
That much is clear.

Are you going to just ignore the toxicity discussion?
Wasn't aware I had ignored it. I replied to a comment that was questioning the possibility that multiple vaccinations could lead to bad outcomes by over stressing peoples' physiology and said that it seemed possible as they found that a higher dosage was too much on people.
Originally Posted By Azure84
By too toxic it clearly means the dosages elicited too strong of an immune response and it gives dangerous side effects.

Try reading the actual article linkedinstead of linking your own nonsensical article and then responding with passive aggressiveness.
That works too.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Try reading the source material (clinical trial) rather than the inciting third hand summary that was posted. Research articles don't use terms like "jabs".

In the actual source material, side effects (e.g., sore arm, flu-like symptoms) increased with dosage. The inciting article uses the term "toxicity" to get the reaction we've seen in this thread.
So you didn't read it obviously. The "inciting article" wasn't inciting, but was an article saying that maybe we could vaccinate a higher number of people with our present manufacturing capabilities.
Quarter-dose of Moderna COVID vaccine still rouses a big immune response

Results hint that dose stretching could help to address the world’s acute vaccine shortage.
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Originally Posted By Unstumpable
I’ve had a number of nurses who deal directly with covid patients tell me the vaccines don’t work. So no way I’m getting it.
My moms a nurse and she is practically begging me to get it. Also sister in law says same thing, trying to convince my brother to convince us to get it.
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I'm not in the medical field but I'm in and out of ER's all the time and know a lot of nurses. I don't necessarily buy any of the conspiracy theories around the vaccine. But a few things I've noticed.


-The people I run across that are vaccinated are far more likely to have socially distanced and/or wear their mask.
-A large portion of people that have been vaccinated still get covid. Some of them end up hospitalized over it. POST vaccination.


My main issues with the vaccine:

1. They can't tell us if it'll work or not. And for how long it'll work for.
2. They can't tell us how often we'll need to get a booster.
3. What kind of long term side effects we'll experience. If we'll experience any. What the chances are that we get any.
4. If it'll conflict with pre-existing medical conditions/medications and cause issue. And which ones.



We know for a fact vaccinated people die under less then ordinary circumstances. Some get other fugged up sides. But nobody is wanting to admit or clarify that its vaccine related.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
I posted it because the daily positive cases were questioned and yes we are at 230,000.
The positivity rate was......... at 4%, but now almost 12%.
We are in growth mode.

I am not following the vaccination rates, or death rates, those subjects do not interest me unless they are in my state.
Pretty alarming when the death count for the jab is just about equal to that for which it's supposed to protect against, no?
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Originally Posted By katya422
So you didn't read it obviously. The "inciting article" wasn't inciting, but was an article saying that maybe we could vaccinate a higher number of people with our present manufacturing capabilities.
You posted this article:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01893-0

It contains this sentence:
"Two jabs that each contained only one-quarter of the standard dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine gave rise to long-lasting protective antibodies and virus-fighting T cells, according to tests in nearly three dozen people"

Jabs?

Here is the actual study source:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483

"Systemic adverse events were more common after the second vaccination, particularly with the highest dose, and three participants (21%) in the 250-μg dose group reported one or more severe adverse events."

(Systemic adverse events mean "feeling sick")

The primary source says nothing about "toxicity".

But, you do you
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Originally Posted By criminal_manne
My moms a nurse and she is practically begging me to get it. Also sister in law says same thing, trying to convince my brother to convince us to get it.
Didn't you get the memo? You can only refer to doctors and nurses (and science and medicine) as an authority if what they say supports your anti-vax narrative.

Of course the vast majority of medical professionals recommend getting vaccinated. All of the actual data support that as a recommendation.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
You posted this article:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01893-0

It contains this sentence:
"Two jabs that each contained only one-quarter of the standard dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine gave rise to long-lasting protective antibodies and virus-fighting T cells, according to tests in nearly three dozen people"

Jabs?

Here is the actual study source:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483

"Systemic adverse events were more common after the second vaccination, particularly with the highest dose, and three participants (21%) in the 250-μg dose group reported one or more severe adverse events."

(Systemic adverse events mean "feeling sick")

The primary source says nothing about "toxicity".

But, you do you
Arguing semantics. waste of air
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Didn't you get the memo? You can only refer to doctors and nurses (and science and medicine) as an authority if what they say supports your anti-vax narrative.

Of course the vast majority of medical professionals recommend getting vaccinated. All of the actual data support that as a recommendation.
Yea it’s funny my mom was actually originally anti vax and said she would never get it but ended up taking after what she observed.

Not saying that means anything but that’s my anecdote. Every I know that works in a hospital is borderline horrified I don’t want it.
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