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post 1645669863 08-25-2021, 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen
The real New Normal



New Zealand Hip Hop Artist Louie Knuxx Mocks Lockdown Protesters and Threatens Them,
Drops Dead 28 days after second mRNA injection, Age 42

https://thecovidblog.com/2021/08/23/...rna-injection/






Fully vaxxed woman dies from Covid, was on cruise ship! 27 people on ship tested positive for Covid, all vaccinated
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/lif...photo-21246493




‘He avoided double death?’ Man killed by Covid was spared ‘worse condition’ because he was fully vaxxed, reassuring report claims
https://www.rt.com/usa/531816-vaccin...h-texas-covid/




ps. these were simply three I had just came across while reading threads at GLP in the prior hour, so posting here just because
I get all my unbiased news from thecovidblog.com. Well I lie, I also get my news from tumblr.com/vaxisbadyall69
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus
JFL yeah sure no one should listen to doctors, we should listen to Fire Fighters? Nah next time I have a medical issue maybe I'll call the plumbers who fix the toilets in a hospital?


I'd rather listen to a doctor than someone who failed all their subjects in school JFL
How about a nobel prize winning virologist?

https://thenewamerican.com/french-no...o-reject-jabs/

Since you want to plead to authority, I don't think there's many (if any) individuals whom we can trust more.
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Originally Posted By criminal_manne
My moms a nurse and she is practically begging me to get it. Also sister in law says same thing, trying to convince my brother to convince us to get it.
explain to them..... they are protected already, because they had the vax right? they can still catch covid though and spread it right? so why bother getting the vax? right? you are at risk only to yourself, right?

no ty to big pharma and their BS drug. brb developing some sh*t in 10+ years and dying and nobody thinks twice it was this poison they are shilling
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30 years ago Fauci was accused of crimes against humanity

lol @ believing that murderer when he has done this before.

30 years this c**t has been putting out killer drugs. just wait to see what these vaccines do to people and children.

youtube have deleted the full video. oh, yeah, why is that? brb people are not allowed to make up their own minds
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Originally Posted By Nicklol
was almost about to get it yesterdaybut you guys pullin me back to reality
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Originally Posted By AWillis
explain to them..... they are protected already, because they had the vax right? they can still catch covid though and spread it right? so why bother getting the vax? right? you are at risk only to yourself, right?

no ty to big pharma and their BS drug. brb developing some sh*t in 10+ years and dying and nobody thinks twice it was this poison they are shilling
They live like 2,000 miles away so they don’t care about me spreading it. They are just seeing the hospitals fill up with unvaccinated patients. I’m aware of Israel’s numbers etc. just giving an opposing anecdote because my experience with healthcare workers is the opposite of some people ITT. I’m not pro vax but this has been my experience.
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Originally Posted By Unstumpable
I’ve had a number of nurses who deal directly with covid patients tell me the vaccines don’t work. So no way I’m getting it.
Ask Jessie Jackson and his wife how their vaccines are working out.......SMH


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts/8232368002/
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the fatcels who haven't rotted away yet should be appreciative that Fraudci didn't release a deadlier virus... would've plowed through the fatties and solved our obesity pandemic overnight.

I bring up obesity to people and they look at me like I'm talking about big foot.
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Originally Posted By Bosko
Ask Jessie Jackson and his wife how their vaccines are working out.......SMH


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts/8232368002/
Jesse Jackson is a 79 year old man who was diagnosed with Parkinsons four years ago. A reasonable person shouldn't assume his breakthrough infection is strongly indicative of much.
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Originally Posted By coast2coastam
I remember people coming in to work so sick they could barely sit up, getting everyone in the office sick, and no one said anything. Those same people are now locking themselves in their basements and taking experimental injections. It's unbelievable how short everyone's memory is.
Before covid happened guys would literally crawl into the firehouse and go lay down in the bunkroom just to make some overtime money. It seems that with covid now people are more encouraged to stay home and not come into work even if they are a little sick.
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Originally Posted By 78novacaine
You do realize that most major fire departments are also their city's primary first responders for all medical calls and have their own EMT's/paramedics/ambulances, right?
Not in the UK they're not. Sounds weird.

I was about to call out OP as here they are two totally different jobs.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
You mean (143+138)/177000000 = 0.00000077966101%?

Because that is what he posted.
Yeah, you caught me half in the bag using a phone calculator. Embarrassing indeed

Now that you've caught and highlighted my errors, perhaps we can move on to you demonstrating how those rates are higher than rates of covid complications or myoarditis resulting from covid?
Originally Posted By Reliance012
One small thing: If they were entirely independent and non-mutually exclusive, it would be prob(peri) + prob(myo) - prob(peri and myo) so as not to double count them in the probability.
I was just treating them as mutually exclusive "in good faith".
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus
LOL sensitive lill ****guet, next time I'll agree with you








sure, I agree. But now you have the entire world's medical community working on this day and night, surely they're not all dumb and can't see things?

I get, we're pissed. And sure, maybe in the US doctor's are 'afraid of being cancelled' (although I doubt it), but this is not the case in Australia. No one's getting cancelled and they can say whatever the fk they want.

In fact the guy who advised the premier here to lockdown just changed his mind and advised against it and went on TV. It's not a 1984 novel, and no, a random mister is not going to observe something that the world's medical have failed to observe.
I used to think that, but in some countries, citizens are required to wear face masks and face shields outdoors, walking in the part for example.

That has 0 logic, and a pleb like me can see that, so the ones who are making the rules are even bigger idiots or worse, they’re taking the fkn piss. So which is it?

Basically, it’s an argument from authority, and right now, can’t trust authority. Remember when the world said it wasn’t a lab leak categorically too?
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Originally Posted By Destor
Do you know what the VAERS data is? Here's one report



This chit is not even within the same data-purity stratosphere as the official COVID numbers we're seeing
do you know that vaers itself says that they cannot link the cause of the adverse reaction to the shot
But
They look for unusual patterns of adverse reactions

The USA vaers looks just like the EU version
See a pattern?
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Originally Posted By DeputyDong5
the fatcels who haven't rotted away yet should be appreciative that Fraudci didn't release a deadlier virus... would've plowed through the fatties and solved our obesity pandemic overnight.

I bring up obesity to people and they look at me like I'm talking about big foot.
Lol that would be a preferable reality srs, fat people are an absolute leech on society. A big fat welfare bloated leech
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Originally Posted By Anachron
From Merriam-Webster:



I believe he is using it as defined under the second definition.
Oh god, a redditor is among us...
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Originally Posted By Anachron
You made a "mistake" that was in favour of your argument - a "mistake" that was revised at least twice, andstill ended up with the number being off by two decimal points.

There is absolutely zero value in having a discussion with someone who does that.
I didn't multiply the proportion by 100 (on my phone) and copied a previous result, Yes, drunk. I also corrected the errors when you found them.

But, you don't really have discussions with anyone as you don't really say anything defensible nor offer any support for your positions. You just name call.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
You went from

0.00000077966101%

to

0.0000015875706%

to

0.00015875706%

The final number is over two hundred times greater than the first number you tried to pass off initially as your "in good faith" number. If I haven't caught it, that initial number (which is 200 times lower) is what your argument would have been.



I have discussions with people that are capable of having honest discussions - you've proven that you are not one of them.
As explained, the first was a typo from copying a previous result from the calculator. You caught it before I did, perhaps because you're hanging on my every word.
The second, was an error in not multiplying the proportion by 100. Also acknowledged and corrected.

Is the reason you can't let it go because you have nothing to contribute to the conversation?
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Please re-read what I wrote in the previous post - you seem to have missed most of it.
You consider acknowledged and corrected typos to be dishonest?
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Since you can't participate, perhaps someone else can provide some support for the position that vaccines pose a greater risk than covid.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
You didn't acknowledge and correct until you were called out on it - big difference.
Not exactly, you quoted me while I was editing
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Originally Posted By Anachron
I wonder if after correcting your math that was off by over two decimal points, I should now have to correct your English as well.

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It would be more productive if you just make a statement and provide some support for it.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
So you can make numbers up again?
I can't make them up if you provide them with a source
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Originally Posted By Anachron
I have no intention of engaging with someone who flat out lies.



You posted at least once after that post before it had the correct number - but nice try. This is why I am calling you out as being dishonest, because you keep proving you are.
Funny how it always goes like that.

"I have all the truth, but you can't see it"

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Originally Posted By Anachron
Hurts when you get caught being dishonest?

I can't help that - only you can.
Well, I corrected, explained, and apologized for making the errors. I'm all out of proposals to move forward.
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Has JLC or any of the pro-vaccine guys ever addressed how covid mortality was measured vs. sides w/ the vaccine? I just see them avoid it or ignore it.

Real quick:
- Anyone with covid within 30 days, if they died of any reason it was counted as a covid death. Do we dispute this?
- Describe the process in which someone has side effects from the vaccine and how that is counted.

To me, this makes a lot of this debate kind of pointless. We really don't know the numbers. We can assume the official #s for covid are inflated to some degree. We can assume the official #s for sides/mortality from vaccination of dis-inflated. To what degree is anyone's guess. Maybe a little, maybe a lot.

At the end of the day, like many more reasonable people here -- if you're known at risk from covid, vaccination probably makes sense knowing what we know now. Although, seeing breakthrough cases, I am starting to break from this thought. In any event, knowing what we know about the mortality/hospitalization #s of covid -- there are groups of people not at risk. In those cases, if they want vaccination - whatever, but I dismiss anyone who demands certain groups not at risk must be vaccinated.

Btw, I haven't followed perfectly here - but if he made a mistake, was corrected and then admitted the mistake and even apologized for it, it's time to move on. People make mistakes. Especially dealing with information surrounding covid which is constantly evolving. Cut him some slack. He has his point and agenda but he's also a human who is not perfect. If he fuked up and man-ed up and admitted it, harping on it beyond that point is in bad faith.
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Originally Posted By JUSA
Has JLC or any of the pro-vaccine guys ever addressed how covid mortality was measured vs. sides w/ the vaccine? I just see them avoid it or ignore it.

Real quick:
-Anyone with covid within 30 days, if they died of any reason it was counted as a covid death. Do we dispute this?
- Describe the process in which someone has side effects from the vaccine and how that is counted.
You have a source for the bolded? Not that I don't believe, but for future reference.
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Originally Posted By JUSA
Has JLC or any of the pro-vaccine guys ever addressed how covid mortality was measured vs. sides w/ the vaccine? I just see them avoid it or ignore it.

Real quick:
- Anyone with covid within 30 days, if they died of any reason it was counted as a covid death. Do we dispute this?
- Describe the process in which someone has side effects from the vaccine and how that is counted.

To me, this makes a lot of this debate kind of pointless. We really don't know the numbers. We can assume the official #s for covid are inflated to some degree. We can assume the official #s for sides/mortality from vaccination of dis-inflated. To what degree is anyone's guess. Maybe a little, maybe a lot.

At the end of the day, like many more reasonable people here -- if you're known at risk from covid, vaccination probably makes sense knowing what we know now. Although, seeing breakthrough cases, I am starting to break from this thought. In any event, knowing what we know about the mortality/hospitalization #s of covid -- there are groups of people not at risk. In those cases, if they want vaccination - whatever, but I dismiss anyone who demands certain groups not at risk must be vaccinated.

Btw, I haven't followed perfectly here - but if he made a mistake, was corrected and then admitted the mistake and even apologized for it, it's time to move on. People make mistakes. Especially dealing with information surrounding covid which is constantly evolving. Cut him some slack. He has his point and agenda but he's also a human who is not perfect. If he fuked up and man-ed up and admitted it, harping on it beyond that point is in bad faith.
I haven't seen the protocol you've outlined.
But I have seen this:
https://www.cpsbc.ca/news/publicatio...2-mar-apr-2020

Everything I've seen suggests the deaths are under-reported.

Where I am, vaccine-related complications are reported directly by the recipient.
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Originally Posted By Polaris
You have a source for the bolded? Not that I don't believe, but for future reference.
I'd have to google it, I've read it enough times. Maybe this is a good starting point, in order to converse with people you have to agree on reality. If this is in dispute, maybe someone wants to actually dig and find out the specific statement on how covid deaths are/were calculated.
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Suggestions of under-reporting:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7988172/c...deaths-excess/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...port-1.5489595

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-n...ths-unreported

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...igher-reported
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