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In the meantime, there's this one:
https://science.sciencemag.org/conte.../6529/eabf4063
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
There is one study I know of (it'll take me a bit to find it again) that looked at Delta effects on those previously infected by Alpha and benefit of Pfizer.
So, in this study someone previously infected with non-delta covid gained some level of benefit by getting the Pfizer vaccine? I wonder what the overall threat is in that situation, either way. If Pfizer takes a 0.0001% threat to 0.00001% that's x10 the protection, but protection from a non-threat either way (also, in case someone like z4 is stinking around here, I just invented those #s/figures to make an example).
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
So, in this study someone previously infected with non-delta covid gained some level of benefit by getting the Pfizer vaccine? I wonder what the overall threat is in that situation, either way. If Pfizer takes a 0.0001% threat to 0.00001% that's x10 the protection, but protection from a non-threat either way (also, in case someone like z4 is stinking around here, I just invented those #s/figures to make an example).
I think this is the one I was thinking of:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03777-9

This is a pre-print, but still interesting:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...188v1.full.pdf
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I think this is the one I was thinking of:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03777-9

This is a pre-print, but still interesting:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...188v1.full.pdf
Originally Posted By Azure84⏩
Vaccinated people 13x more likely to be infected and 27x more likely to have a symptomatic infection compared to people with previous natural infections, in matched cohorts with delta variant.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...415v1.full.pdf

Must be sad for vaccinecells to take loss upon loss. Another israeli study out today showed natural infection antibody levels diminishing 5% per month with vaccinated antibody levels diminishing 40% monthly.
Someone else posted this, I think it's the same study I'd read last week.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Someone else posted this, I think it's the same study I'd read last week.
That's an interesting one! Thanks!


Some details might be important:

"In model 1, we matched 16,215 persons in each group. Overall, demographic characteristics were similar between the groups, with some differences in their comorbidity profile (Table 1a). During the follow-up period, 257 cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection were recorded, of which 238 occurred in the vaccinated group (breakthrough infections) and 19 in the previously infected group (reinfections)"

"Individuals who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 seem to gain additional protection from a subsequent single-dose vaccine regimen. Though this finding corresponds to previous reports, we could not demonstrate significance in our cohort. "

"Lastly, although we controlled for age, sex, and region of residence, our results might be affected by differences between the groups in terms of health behaviors (such as social distancing and mask wearing), a possible confounder that was not assessed."


One hypothesis I've seen posited is that vaccinated people think they're invincible and drop all precautions.
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IRISH MEDICAL DOCTOR: THE SHOTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE. WE NEED TO STOP THIS.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/trpCTn4LNco9/
Dr. Anne McCloskey of the NHS gives an impassioned plea after working all night in the hospital, where almost everyone she treated was double vaccinated for COVID. Young people in their 20s are developing disabilities she has never seen before.

Just as I published this today, I found out that Dr. Anne McCloskey has been suspended from practicing medicine as a result of this video.

This is what happens when you expose the Globalists’ agenda. Now it's time for the rest of us to follow her example, no matter what the cost!
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but then ...

Irish Medical Doctor: The Shots are Killing People. We need to Stop This.
Her Medical License was Just Suspended
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/ir...ust-suspended/



This same sort of commie fascist harassment and oppression of those who speak out is why more doctors and nurses aren't speaking out, although some are in fact doing just that.



...

in other news

The terrified voice of someone who realized she done effed up -

I WAS PEER PRESSURED INTO GETTING THE COVID JAB, NOW MY SON & I ARE BOTH IN GRAVE DANGER - M. MARIA
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FJUbo6JXPIyY/



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Gaby Sauza, MD @drmeowza Aug 21
I tested positive for COVID this week, along with 9 of 12 fully vaxxed friends (among others), days after we attended an outdoor wedding (that required proof of vaccination) in 1 of the lowest-risk states in the country.
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P.S. Very symptomatic. You don’t want it.
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Most major places on the net are censoring info about it

bitchute is one place where at least for the time being people can speak truthfully

and boy are they


https://www.bitchute.com/

some good info here and there at vidmax also but not as much as bitchute

https://vidmax.com/most-recent/
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
IRISH MEDICAL DOCTOR: THE SHOTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE. WE NEED TO STOP THIS.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/trpCTn4LNco9/
Dr. Anne McCloskey of the NHS gives an impassioned plea after working all night in the hospital, where almost everyone she treated was double vaccinated for COVID. Young people in their 20s are developing disabilities she has never seen before.

Just as I published this today, I found out that Dr. Anne McCloskey has been suspended from practicing medicine as a result of this video.

This is what happens when you expose the Globalists’ agenda. Now it's time for the rest of us to follow her example, no matter what the cost!
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but then ...

Irish Medical Doctor: The Shots are Killing People. We need to Stop This.
Her Medical License was Just Suspended
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/ir...ust-suspended/



This same sort of commie fascist harassment and oppression of those who speak out is why more doctors and nurses aren't speaking out, although some are in fact doing just that.



...

in other news

The terrified voice of someone who realized she done effed up -

I WAS PEER PRESSURED INTO GETTING THE COVID JAB, NOW MY SON & I ARE BOTH IN GRAVE DANGER - M. MARIA
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FJUbo6JXPIyY/



...

Gaby Sauza, MD @drmeowza Aug 21
I tested positive for COVID this week, along with 9 of 12 fully vaxxed friends (among others), days after we attended an outdoor wedding (that required proof of vaccination) in 1 of the lowest-risk states in the country.
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Gaby Sauza, MD @drmeowza Aug 21
P.S. Very symptomatic. You don’t want it.
I'm not sure why a trained person would refer to the vaccines as genetic therapy.

Is this her?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern...-west-54598327

Staunchly pro-life and anti vax, a common pairing for politicians.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Someone else posted this, I think it's the same study I'd read last week.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...415v1.full.pdf

It’s an interesting study, but I’ll be surprised if it gets published in a high impact journal of any kind. They don’t control for comorbidities. The statement, “Overall, demographic characteristics were similar between the groups, with some differences in their comorbidity profile” is a huge red flag. “Some differences” isn’t the type of language you want to use when talking about your study populations, especially when a look at the table shows higher numbers for nearly all serious comorbidities in the vaccinated group. All that said I buy the overarching conclusion of the study, but not nearly to the extent that the results indicate.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I'm not sure why a trained person would refer to the vaccines as genetic therapy.

Is this her?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern...-west-54598327

Staunchly pro-life and anti vax, a common pairing for politicians.
Didn't watch the video but see the doctor is from Ireland:
Form of Gene Therapy
The mRNA vaccinations are a form of gene therapy, according to its definition in many parts of the world, including Europe. Gene therapies remain under strict regulation and few gene therapeutics have been approved by health authorities because of safety concerns. Some experts are less concerned with the long-term risks of the mRNA vaccines, but more concerned about the efficacy of them, as mRNA is very fragile and if not properly stored, could be destroyed. These molecules can fall apart at room temperature. mRNA is a very fragile molecule, meaning it can be destroyed very easily compared to DNA.

Traditional vaccines revolved around injecting part of the pathogen, such as a protein or sugar, to induce an immune response. The COVID mRNA vaccine partly works by inducing local inflammatory reactions to trigger the immune system. The synthetic mRNA material, wrapped in an oily bubble coating made of lipid nanoparticles, delivers instructions to cells to make spike proteins to fight the virus. When synthetic mRNA enters the human patient, the material fuses to cells and cell’s molecules start to decode the genomic sequence to build the spike proteins. The immune system recognizes the spike protein as a foreign invader and produces antibodies against it. If the antibodies later encounter the actual coronavirus, they are ready to recognize and destroy it before it causes illness. Furthermore, the mRNA in the vaccine degrades in roughly 72 hours in order to not combine with human DNA.
https://www.swfinstitute.org/news/83...f-gene-therapy

This one is from Canada:
Top-tier delivery
mRNA vaccines are considered a type of gene therapy as they utilize genetic material like RNA to induce an immune response in the vaccinated subject. Beyond mRNA vaccines, there are more traditional gene therapies that have been studied.
https://www.ubyssey.ca/science/how-mrna-vaccines-work/
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adonbaleeveet! the msm and the government is telling us that the vaccines are safe.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Didn't watch the video but see the doctor is from Ireland:



https://www.swfinstitute.org/news/83...f-gene-therapy

This one is from Canada:



https://www.ubyssey.ca/science/how-mrna-vaccines-work/
Your first link also says this:

"Gene therapy replaces a faulty gene or adds a new gene in an attempt to cure disease or improve your body’s ability to fight disease. Gene therapy holds promise for treating a wide range of diseases, such as cancer, cystic fibrosis, heart disease, diabetes, hemophilia and AIDS.”

But,

"Vaccines that use mRNA technology are not gene therapy because they do not alter your genes"

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2PH16N


"As people in the UK continue to receive Covid-19 vaccines, the subject of how and why they work is being widely discussed online. Some people are promoting the idea that RNA-based vaccines – including the UK-approved Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines – are a form of gene therapy, but this isn’t accurate. RNA is closely related to DNA and performs different but equally important functions. While our genetic information is stored as DNA in the cell nucleus, RNA acts as an intermediary, allowing the genes to be expressed.

When a gene is expressed, it is copied into RNA. This is known as a messenger RNA (mRNA) – the type used in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. The mRNA travels out of the cell nucleus to be used as a template to make a protein. Once the protein is made, the mRNA gets broken down."

https://www.genomicseducation.hee.nh...ene-therapies/
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Channel 7 journalist Denham Hitchcock in hospital with pericarditis after COVID-19 Pfizer vaccine
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...ng-b881983043z

As of 25 July, 84 cases of myocarditis and/or pericarditis had been reported in Australia to the Therapeutic Goods Administration following the Pfizer vaccine.
The cases were disproportionately men and teenagers under the age of 30 after their second dose of Pfizer.


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After a lull in noticing any of our calls potentially being vaccine related, the last few shifts were interesting.

We ran a nice lady in her 50’s who developed a full body rash within 48 hours of vaccination. I call it a rash, but it didn’t look like anything else I’ve ever seen. She had red lumps and boils all over her arms and legs.

We ran another healthy guy in his 30’s who reported an onset of chest pain ~24 hours after vaccination. EKG showed pericarditis or possible myocardial infarction (widespread ST segment elevation). I never got a chance to follow up with the hospital to figure out exactly what his diagnosis ended up being.
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I believe improper injection could be a large part of the problem, and possibly why some people have zero issues with the vax, and others have adverse (sometimes severe) reactions to the vax:



I suggested this was a problem in a thread here months ago, it was quickly dismissed as stupidity (I believe by Wincel) and several other typical libs, but I still believe it may be a big problem and it would be beneficial to investigate it vs dismissing it.
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It would be nice to know which of the 3 shots were taken if we are going to mention problems. People rarely mention which companies vaccine.
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Originally Posted By EdwardTheGreat⏩
I believe improper injection could be a large part of the problem, and possibly why some people have zero issues with the vax, and others have adverse (sometimes severe) reactions to the vax:



I suggested this was a problem in a thread here months ago, it was quickly dismissed as stupidity (I believe by Wincel) and several other typical libs, but I still believe it may be a big problem and it would be beneficial to investigate it vs dismissing it.
I’m not dismissing it completely and I admittedly only skimmed the video, but it seems kinda unlikely that inadvertent IV administration of the vaccine is a widespread problem.

Not that it’s impossible but it’s very difficult for the eye of the needle to be seated into a vein during an IM injection, where the needle is inserted at roughly a 90 degree angle.

One of the reasons that IM injections are given in the shoulder is that there isn’t much there in terms of large vasculature.

While it’s possible for it to end up in a vein, and it certainly happens occasionally, I just can’t see how it would be such a widespread problem.
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It would be nice to know which of the 3 shots were taken if we are going to mention problems. People rarely mention which companies vaccine.
I agree that would probably be helpful information to have, I’ve just been careful to refrain from asking our patients anything about their vaccination status at all.

It’s not really my business so I just don’t ask. The only reason I associate any of these cases with vaccination is because patients offer that information up voluntarily.

Maybe I’ll start asking and see if I notice any trends.
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Originally Posted By ispy⏩
adonbaleeveet! the msm and the government is telling us that the vaccines are safe.
The science is settled!


Until next week when the narrative changes yet again and then the science is settled on that narrative
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[QUOTE=EdwardTheGreat post_id=1647921613]I believe improper injection could be a large part of the problem, and possibly why some people have zero issues with the vax, and others have adverse (sometimes severe) reactions to the vax:

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I suggested this was a problem in a thread here months ago, it was quickly dismissed as stupidity (I believe by Wincel) and several other typical libs, but I still believe it may be a big problem and it would be beneficial to investigate it vs dismissing it.[/QUOTE]If people are being jabbed incorrectly, we still shouldn't be rushing to get as many people jabbed until enough people are trained to. Still not a valid excuse.
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Originally Posted By jamalfudge⏩
If people are being jabbed incorrectly, we still shouldn't be rushing to get as many people jabbed until enough people are trained to. Still not a valid excuse.
Not making excuses, just putting it out there as something to consider. My biggest concern on these vaccines at this point is long term effects, and the possibility of adverse reactions.
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Just ran a call for a 25 year old female who miscarried roughly 72 hours post vaccination. She was 30 weeks pregnant.

That’s the third call for a miscarriage we’ve run in the last 6 months. Prior to that, I’ve never run a call for a miscarriage in the last 12 years.
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Originally Posted By 2Rude4MyOwnGood⏩
Just ran a call for a 25 year old female who miscarried roughly 72 hours post vaccination. She was 30 weeks pregnant.

That’s the third call for a miscarriage we’ve run in the last 6 months. Prior to that, I’ve never run a call for a miscarriage in the last 12 years.
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Originally Posted By 2Rude4MyOwnGood⏩
Just ran a call for a 25 year old female who miscarried roughly 72 hours post vaccination. She was 30 weeks pregnant.

That’s the third call for a miscarriage we’ve run in the last 6 months. Prior to that, I’ve never run a call for a miscarriage in the last 12 years.
That's horrifying.
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Originally Posted By 2Rude4MyOwnGood⏩
Just ran a call for a 25 year old female who miscarried roughly 72 hours post vaccination. She was 30 weeks pregnant.

That’s the third call for a miscarriage we’ve run in the last 6 months. Prior to that, I’ve never run a call for a miscarriage in the last 12 years.
We discussed this last week and the average rate for all miscarriages is 10-20% according to fancy journals like Mayo Clininc ect.

The data in Op's( in that thread) link showed 13% possibly Covid related so it is within the norm; so the question is.....is the shot causing them?

No idea.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
We discussed this last week and the average rate for all miscarriages is 10-20% according to fancy journals like Mayo Clininc ect.

The data in Op's( in that thread) link showed 13% possibly Covid related so is it within the norm; so the question is.....is the shot causing them?

No idea.
But at 30 weeks?
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
We discussed this last week and the average rate for all miscarriages is 10-20% according to fancy journals like Mayo Clininc ect.

The data in Op's( in that thread) link showed 13% possibly Covid related so is it within the norm; so the question is.....is the shot causing them?

No idea.
I’ve got to assume that late term miscarriages are far more rare than those occurring early in pregnancy, but again that’s just an assumption. My guess is that most occur pretty early on, and make up the bulk of that statistic.

I’ve witnessed 3 late term miscarriages in the last 6 months, all of which were reported to have occurred shortly after vaccination. It’s difficult for me to think that those events aren’t related.
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Originally Posted By jamalfudge⏩
That's horrifying.
It was pretty rough. There aren’t many calls that get to me, but this one definitely did.
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Originally Posted By 2Rude4MyOwnGood⏩
I’ve got to assume that late term miscarriages are far more rare than those occurring early in pregnancy, but again that’s just an assumption. My guess is that most occur pretty early on, and make up the bulk of that statistic.

I’ve witnessed 3 late term miscarriages in the last 6 months, all of which were reported to have occurred shortly after vaccination. It’s difficult for me to think that those events aren’t related.
Any chick getting the jab post pregnancy is fukking up srs
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Originally Posted By Krackerjacked⏩
Any chick getting the jab post pregnancy is fukking up srs
Well, apparently it’s “urgent” now.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ccine-rcna2422
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Originally Posted By 2Rude4MyOwnGood⏩
It was pretty rough. There aren’t many calls that get to me, but this one definitely did.
Had several co-workers come forward when I worked at a local medical center. I think it was 3 of them that said they miscarried shortly after vaccination, yet Fauci Jr at the facility keeps saying they NEED to get it. I'd definitely be taking precautionary measures if my wife were preggers or planned to be.

It's just sad to see that people blindly trust the medical field without talking to people in their community with real experiences that are squashed due to "misinformation" or considered anecdotal...whatever fits the narrative.
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