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Originally Posted By quadfecta⏩
Jfl at experimental self practitioners shilling ivermectin when they don’t even know how it works to cure covid infections

Do you buy every controversial miracle snake oil drug that gets touted just because the left don’t like it while high IQ right wingers want it?

I’ll take this comment back if you can cite legit studies that don’t just say “it might be effective in humans but more studies are needed”
Maybe it is and maybe it’s not effective against Covid. Why are you against further study and research, and dissemination of that research?
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Originally Posted By kcadrenalin⏩
The CDC is giving it to the Afghan refugees before they enter the country. LOL

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CDC: "To promote healthy resettlement, CDC provides supplemental guidance to panel physicians caring for US-bound refugees. The Overseas Refugee Health Guidance provides panel physicians with supplemental guidance on vaccination, pre-departure treatments for malaria and[color=red]intestinal parasites[color]and fitness to travel."

see what the indication for ivermectin is for....this horse dewormer nonsense is idiotic I'll agree - its a really safe human drug. But even Merck who created it doesn't see its use for COVID - on a positive note, Merck does have something in the pipeline for COVID.
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Medications work by creating chemical reactions in the body. The entire history of pharmacology circulates around discovering new and unexpected reactions from preexisting compounds and studying their effects. The narrative against Ivermectin as a potential treatment to COVID is completely anti-science and violates the entire history of pharmaceutical research. All of a sudden they want you to believe that it's preposterous to discover that a pre existing drug can be found to have extremely beneficial effects in treating ailments or conditions that it was never meant or synthesized to treat, and yet one only needs to look at a drug that probably everyone has in their home currently to realize how absurd that conclusion is: ASPIRIN. It took 70+ years for scientists to discover that Aspirin, which was originally released as an antipyretic and anti-inflammatory drug, also possessed such powerful anti-platelet properties that it became a milestone in preventing cardiovascular and cerebrovascular diseases. So much so that it's now widely recommended by virtually every doctor as a preventative for heart-attacks. Now, would you go and laugh at your grandparent who takes Aspirin daily for this purpose because they'are literally taking an ANTI-EVER medication to treat a cardiovascular disease? The story of Aspirin isn't even over as they're now suggesting/discovering that it potentially has a chemopreventive effect against colorectal and other types of cancer.
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Originally Posted By quadfecta⏩
It’s a drug for horses, but will also work in humans for parasitic infections. Libs calling it horse dewormer is a low IQ meme likely made up by righties to strawman its lack of proven utility as a drug against viruses.

Glad you ignored the rest of my most though. Either tells me you’re trolling or have let your VDS (vax derangement syndrome) ignore the facts
From a study published in 2017:
Over the past decade, the global scientific community have begun to recognize the unmatched value of an extraordinary drug, ivermectin, that originates from a single microbe unearthed from soil in Japan.Work on ivermectin has seen its discoverer, Satoshi Ōmura, of Tokyo's prestigious Kitasato Institute, receive the 2014 Gairdner Global Health Award and the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine, which he shared with a collaborating partner in the discovery and development of the drug, William Campbell of Merck & Co. Incorporated.Today, ivermectin is continuing to surprise and excite scientists, offering more and more promise to help improve global public health by treating a diverse range of diseases, with its unexpected potential as an antibacterial, antiviral and anti-cancer agent being particularly extraordinary.
Ivermectin’s mode of action against parasites in the human body remains to be clarified.There is a substantial disparity between maximum plasma concentrations after ivermectin administration and the concentrations needed to induce paralysis in microfilariae. Support has been accumulating for the evidenced-based hypothesis that the clearance of microfilariae is governed by immunoregulatory processes.
They aren't exactly sure how it treats parasites.
Ivermectin’s primary target is glutamate-gated chloride channels, although it also active against other invertebrate neurotransmitter receptors, including GABA-, histamine- and pH-sensitive chloride channels.In addition, ivermectin exposure alters expression of genes involved in the reproduction mechanism of female worms, even at low concentrations.
Maybe it reduces inflammation?
A 2011 study investigated the impact of ivermectin on allergic asthma symptoms in mice and found that ivermectin [at 2 mg kg−1] significantly curtailed recruitment of immune cells, production of cytokines in the bronchoalveolar lavage fluids and secretion of ovalbumin-specific IgE and IgG1 in the serum.Ivermectin also suppressed mucus hypersecretion by goblet cells, establishing that ivermectin can effectively curb inflammation, such that it may be useful in treating allergic asthma and other inflammatory airway diseases.
Maybe it protects the lungs?
Because of its action on P2X4 receptors, ivermectin has potential with respect to preventing alcohol use disorders as well as for motor neurone disease. Indeed, in 2007, Belgian scientists applied for a patent, ‘Use of ivermectin and derivates thereof for the treatment of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis’ [Publication No.: WO/2008/034202A3], to cover ‘the use of ivermectin and analogs, to prevent, retard and ameliorate a motor neuron disease such as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and the associated motor neuron degeneration’.
Maybe it gives protection from "brain fog"?
Antiviral [e.g. HIV, dengue, encephalitis]

Recent research has confounded the belief, held for most of the past 40 years, that ivermectin was devoid of any antiviral characteristics. Ivermectin has been found to potently inhibit replication of the yellow fever virus, with EC50 values in the sub-nanomolar range. It also inhibits replication in several other flaviviruses, including dengue, Japanese encephalitis and tick-borne encephalitis, probably by targeting non-structural 3 helicase activity. Ivermectin inhibits dengue viruses and interrupts virus replication, bestowing protection against infection with all distinct virus serotypes, and has unexplored potential as a dengue antiviral.

Ivermectin has also been demonstrated to be a potent broad-spectrum specific inhibitor of importin α/β-mediated nuclear transport and demonstrates antiviral activity against several RNA viruses by blocking the nuclear trafficking of viral proteins. It has been shown to have potent antiviral action against HIV-1 and dengue viruses, both of which are dependent on the importin protein superfamily for several key cellular processes. Ivermectin may be of import in disrupting HIV-1 integrase in HIV-1 as well as NS-5 (non-structural protein 5) polymerase in dengue viruses.
Maybe it is acting as an anti-viral?

https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201711

But in US media if you consider it or recommend it you are an idiot CT quack.
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Originally Posted By Dec4y⏩
CDC: "To promote healthy resettlement, CDC provides supplemental guidance to panel physicians caring for US-bound refugees. The Overseas Refugee Health Guidance provides panel physicians with supplemental guidance on vaccination, pre-departure treatments for malaria and intestinal parasites and fitness to travel."

see what the indication for ivermectin is for....
Oh. My. God. They’re giving them HORSE DEWORMER? This should be major headlines!!!

Do you get the point of the post now? Hory chit you people are scary.
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Originally Posted By Leonydus⏩
so u guys are taking the horse version of it?

https://dailystormer.su/the-media-is...orse-medicine/
I am because I can't get the damn tablets. My Dr. refuses to prescribe it to me because it's not fda approved for COVID. Try booking a telecom appt with an online Dr, they're booked out for at least a week and I have covid right now so lol. Everybody is trying to get their hands on the stuff so what's left is local feed store horse paste. Go on amazon and look up ivermectin paste and tell me what products are "frequently bought together" with it. Besides the dosage, if somebody can tell me what the difference between the tablet & paste is I'm all ears, but no article I've read has explained that.
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Originally Posted By kcadrenalin⏩
The CDC is giving it to the Afghan refugees before they enter the country. LOL

HoRsE De-woRMeR..... Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
z4v4 on suicide watch. Also, that REE'er in this thread, "omg like you guys, you totally don't know how it works. *smug laughter* Such retards. You don't even know. Ha ha ha, I am like totally laughing at how like stupid you guys are and stuff. Oh. Mah. Gawd. Like wow. I like have half a mind to stop posting here and exclusively frequenting reddit now, like that is how totally dumb you guys like are" -- could you explain why our own government is making the foreign refugees take it? Hmm?
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Originally Posted By sloppyjoe1⏩
I am because I can't get the damn tablets. My Dr. refuses to prescribe it to me because it's not fda approved for COVID. Try booking a telecom appt with an online Dr, they're booked out for at least a week and I have covid right now so lol. Everybody is trying to get their hands on the stuff so what's left is local feed store horse paste. Go on amazon and look up ivermectin paste and tell me what products are "frequently bought together" with it. Besides the dosage, if somebody can tell me what the difference between the tablet & paste is I'm all ears, but no article I've read has explained that.
This was discussed in the gun forum mega thread way back. In some versions that are sold for animals there IS an ingredient that can have a negative effect on humans. IIRC it was specific to men [something about the prostate/testicles], but I think that there was some dose related information, like maybe taking it as a one off isn't a big deal, but you would not want to use it as a daily/prophylactic drug.
Originally Posted By Dec4y⏩
CDC: "To promote healthy resettlement, CDC provides supplemental guidance to panel physicians caring for US-bound refugees. The Overseas Refugee Health Guidance provides panel physicians with supplemental guidance on vaccination, pre-departure treatments for malaria and[color=red]intestinal parasites[color]and fitness to travel."

see what the indication for ivermectin is for....this horse dewormer nonsense is idiotic I'll agree - its a really safe human drug.But even Merck who created it doesn't see its use for COVID - on a positive note, Merck does have something in the pipeline for COVID.
How is this not transparent?

"Oh, the drug we sell for cheap won't work. But we bought the rights to this anti-viral that was developed for SARS1 that will cost $70 per pill and will fix you right up."

Read a little about ivermectin use in other countries; maybe India.
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People who are against ivermectin are pro-covid. They don’t want any type of treatment available.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
This was discussed in the gun forum mega thread way back. In some versions that are sold for animals there IS an ingredient that can have a negative effect on humans. IIRC it was specific to men [something about the prostate/testicles], but I think that there was some dose related information, like maybe taking it as a one off isn't a big deal, but you would not want to use it as a daily/prophylactic drug.



How is this not transparent?

"Oh, the drug we sell for cheap won't work. But we bought the rights to this anti-viral that was developed for SARS1 that will cost $70 per pill and will fix you right up."

Read a little about ivermectin use in other countries; maybe India.
There are a lot of ivermectin pastes out there, IM SURE if you aren't careful there may be some that contain other ingredients. I know the one I bought only has ivermectin.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
This was discussed in the gun forum mega thread way back. In some versions that are sold for animals there IS an ingredient that can have a negative effect on humans. IIRC it was specific to men [something about the prostate/testicles], but I think that there was some dose related information, like maybe taking it as a one off isn't a big deal, but you would not want to use it as a daily/prophylactic drug.



How is this not transparent?

"Oh, the drug we sell for cheap won't work. But we bought the rights to this anti-viral that was developed for SARS1 that will cost $70 per pill and will fix you right up."

Read a little about ivermectin use in other countries; maybe India.
I can totally get behind this. It would suck for Merck if this old cheap drug was shown in controlled studies to be an effective treatment. Look I'm center right leaning AND a licensed prescriber. I can see both sides.
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Originally Posted By Dec4y⏩
see what the indication for ivermectin is for....this horse dewormer nonsense is idiotic I'll agree - its a really safe human drug..
I’m not saying it does or doesn’t help to treat covid. Too much conflicting that I don’t care to dig through. But I do think people should be allowed to do their own research into it and decide what’s best for them. Wanted to highlight part of your post to point out something though…why would anyone take Merck’s word for it?? You mean the people developing a much more expensive treatment for a disease say that the cheap option doesn’t work? They’re probably the last people I’d trust since they have a vested interest in people taking the new drug.





Edit - Katya playing Wizards and Warriors above
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
How is this not transparent?

"Oh, the drug we sell for cheap won't work. But we bought the rights to this anti-viral that was developed for SARS1 that will cost $70 per pill and will fix you right up."

Read a little about ivermectin use in other countries; maybe India.
This. It's not like they can just jack up the price ×10 without significant backlash if further studies come out proving the efficacy of ivermectin against Covid. But they CAN start selling a "brand new" medication (likely containing ivermectin or a derivative of) for 10× the price without a second glance from the brainwashed masses...
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Price tells us nothing about the financial benefits for a company like Merck without understanding what costs they're incurring, a $1 ivermectin pill could be generating higher profit margins than a $70 COVID pill.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
I’m not saying it does or doesn’t help to treat covid. Too much conflicting that I don’t care to dig through. But I do think people should be allowed to do their own research into it and decide what’s best for them. Wanted to highlight part of your post to point out something though…why would anyone take Merck’s word for it?? You mean the people developing a much more expensive treatment for a disease say that the cheap option doesn’t work? They’re probably the last people I’d trust since they have a vested interest in people taking the new drug.





Edit - Katya playing Wizards and Warriors above
nah we are cattle and must do what our farmers tell us or theyll round us up and kill us for not obeying
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Originally Posted By quadfecta⏩
Jfl at experimental self practitioners shilling ivermectin when they don’t even know how it works to cure covid infections

Do you buy every controversial miracle snake oil drug that gets touted just because the left don’t like it while high IQ right wingers want it?

I’ll take this comment back if you can cite legit studies that don’t just say “it might be effective in humans but more studies are needed”
Now that we know that you definitely have no idea of what you’re talking about..

There are peer reviewed articles a plenty.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
I’m not saying it does or doesn’t help to treat covid. Too much conflicting that I don’t care to dig through. But I do think people should be allowed to do their own research into it and decide what’s best for them. Wanted to highlight part of your post to point out something though…why would anyone take Merck’s word for it?? You mean the people developing a much more expensive treatment for a disease say that the cheap option doesn’t work? They’re probably the last people I’d trust since they have a vested interest in people taking the new drug.

Edit - Katya playing Wizards and Warriors above
100% agree Merck would rather come up with something novel to treat COVID purely for financial reasons. I hope that controlled studies will find Ivermectin IS a viable effective treatment. After writing what I wrote - your point did dawn on me.
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Originally Posted By Mountaineer92⏩
i truly hope one day the media tells us all to kill ourselves for the environment and climatea nd most liberals follow thru
After covid the next liberal stunt will be climate.
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Originally Posted By quadfecta⏩
I’ll take this comment back if you can cite legit studies that don’t just say “it might be effective in humans but more studies are needed”
This statement applies to the vaccine.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
This statement applies to the vaccine.
There are well-controlled, large-scale studies demonstrating efficiency of the vaccines.

Review of the existing ivermectin studies shows serious methodological limitations, low evidence certainty, possible straight up fraud, and any antiviral benefits requiring doses so high that they'd be toxic to humans.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
Price tells us nothing about the financial benefits for a company like Merck without understanding what costs they're incurring, a $1 ivermectin pill could be generating higher profit margins than a $70 COVID pill.
That's fair but don't we expect Merck to operate in such a way as to maximize their profits and share value?

Ivermectin was introduced in 1981 and approved for human use in 1988. They lost patent protection in 1997.

This vs. the new drug which was developed 5 years ago that they recently purchased the rights to after their two attempts at creating a successful COVID vaccine failed:
June 9 (Reuters) - Merck & Co Inc (MRK.N) said on Wednesday the U.S. government has agreed to pay about $1.2 billion for 1.7 million courses of its experimental COVID-19 treatment, if it is proven to work in an ongoing large trial and authorized by U.S. regulators.

The oral antiviral treatment, molnupiravir, aims to stop COVID-19 from progressing and can be given early in the course of the disease, similar to Tamiflu to treat influenza.

The treatment course being tested in the trial is an oral dose given every 12 hours for five days.

Merck expects to have more than 10 million courses of the therapy available by the end of this year and said it was in discussions with other countries interested in advance purchase agreements for molnupiravir.
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ug-2021-06-09/

We are supposed to believe that Merck is condemning ivermectin and promoting molnupiravir though it is against their own financial best interest?

I think their shareholders would be pretty mad.
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Originally Posted By Dec4y⏩
- on a positive note, Merck does have something in the pipeline for COVID.
Does it work as well as remdesivir
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Maybe it is acting as an anti-viral?

https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201711

But in US media if you consider it or recommend it you are an idiot CT quack.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32462282/
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Originally Posted By SUPERH0T⏩
Does it work as well as remdesivir
Does remdesivir even work? I have heard of people in the ICU administered with it but in all of the cases it doesn't seem to help.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
Price tells us nothing about the financial benefits for a company like Merck without understanding what costs they're incurring, a $1 ivermectin pill could be generating higher profit margins than a $70 COVID pill.
It's not a $70 pill though... It's ten times that per course and they've already signed a contract with the government to provide them, BEFORE any sort of FDA approval!

Let that sink in!

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-ann...rate-covid-19/

$1.2B for 1.7M doses is $705 per course.
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post 1646307543 09-03-2021, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
It's not a $70 pill though... It's ten times that per course and they've already signed a contract with the government to provide them, BEFORE any sort of FDA approval!

Let that sink in!

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-ann...rate-covid-19/

$1.2B for 1.7M doses is $705 per course.
A course is 10 pills, so it's $70 per pill

The procurement agreement, also known as a PO combined with Ts & Cs, is dependent on the drug getting through either EUA or FDA approval.

Merck also mentions they've taken on risk by sinking money into development of this with no guarantee any of it will come to fruition. Any new drug will cost more initially as the company front-loads R&D costs and costs associated with any new equipment/processes required to manufacture the drug.
post 1646308353 09-03-2021, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
A course is 10 pills, so it's $70 per pill

The procurement agreement, also known as a PO combined with Ts & Cs, is dependent on the drug getting through either EUA or FDA approval.

Merck also mentions they've taken on risk by sinking money into development of this with no guarantee any of it will come to fruition. Any new drug will cost more initially as the company front-loads R&D costs and costs associated with any new equipment/processes required to manufacture the drug.
The government can't buy the pills separately though, so I think the $70 is just marketing BS. If I go to a liquor store, I have to buy a full 6-pack of beer for $15, even if the individual price of each would be $2.50 and even if I only wanted 1.
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post 1646308823 09-03-2021, 11:38 AM
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Imagine ridiculing someone for taking something that has been used by humans safely for 35 years, after you've had an expiriment injected into your arm that won't finish 3 stage clinical testing until 2025. Just lol.....
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