Just Leaked lolz at China, B bb b bb Bumbling Biden to announce shortly.

How did it 'just leak' when the future sub program has been known about and the acquisition phase has been in existence for years already?

Or are you saying that the largest defence contract in Australian history, is now obsolete before the first platform of 12 is even delivered?

The french contract has been cancelled and Australia is buying nuclear subs, and the US is sending more to Australia. This has not been been known, it was just leaked and will be announced tonight.

Calm down schizo take your meds

lmao can't wait to read about this.

Gee I wonder if the government 6 years into the most expensive contract in history just ups and cancels it.

Surely Australia getting nukes is a good thing? It’s a massive deterrent against China.

Did Milley let China know this was happening before it became public? I sure hope so, wouldn't want him to disappoint his buddy Li.

Similarly,

Did Biden let China know this was happening before it became public? I sure hope so, wouldn't want him to disappoint his buddy Xi.

part of this is delivery as part of the quad. All members need similar capabilities and capacity. I feed the misc Intel but no one listened. Gorgon stare (WASS) spotted on 2 reapers in Afghanistan, you know what they are capable of? They might help you make sense of the withdrawal. Bonus, Australia has been in the hypersonics game with nasa for 60 years. Now they are helping the quad with that. These 4 are having a orgy of mil-tec to form operation tungsten cube. Against China.

Um...I don't see a link to an article, but when you refer to a nuclear sub you are referring to what POWERS the sub, not what missile capability it has.



"A nuclear submarine is a submarine powered by a nuclear reactor. The performance advantages of nuclear submarines over "conventional" submarines are considerable. Nuclear propulsion, being completely independent of air, frees the submarine from the need to surface frequently, as is necessary for conventional submarines."

I don't think you understand the relationship they have.

Not really no, I know China is heavily invested in Australia? Is it like a kick in the teeth for aus to then get nukes?

so china is getting nuclear subs

this lmao

China completely owns Australia

Plenty of nuclear subs don't carry nuclear weapons from what I understand but not an expert

Australia would be much better off purchasing some of the new diesel subs from the Swedes that are incredibly quiet. For coastal defense they would be a much better alternative that nuke powered. It's not like they need something to go long range for months at a time submerged.

this is inaccurate. the US has dozens of nuclear propelled vessels with no nuclear weaponry on them and the use cases for nuclear propulsion is an advantage for many different missions. Imagine you could drive a submarine or air craft carrier around without refueling for 30 years.

There are also a ton of articles on there debating if australia should move to nuclear propulsion or not for its submarines and talking about how they have no infrastructure in the country for fuel and no nuclear industry. it would be extremely expensive so they are debating the cost vs benefit.
the concentrations and purity for nuclear weapons is higher than fuel used in nuclear power plants but they would go hand in hand


They really have to consider the costs though. Because it is not like non nuclear designs are bad, look up AIP, they have varying designs and they can be extremely quiet and much cheaper. It depends on Australias strategy, if they want the capability to go very far out in the middle of the ocean or if they want to protect more of their local waters and save the expense of nuclear propulsion and all the infrastructure they will have to build to support it.



Also lol'd when i read their elected officials using business jargon like "off the shelf" purchases of submarines. lmao at these talking heads salesmen. THere is no such thing as off the shelf when it comes to purchases of 200 million -2 billion dollar military vessels. And if you contract some foreign company to build it they will put your chit at the lower priority compared to stuff for their own country. Years and hundreds of millions or billions of dollars to build. Its going to be over cost, over schedule and some chit wont work right. You arent buying a Camry.

On the topic of country's with subs, read about Canada's sub fleet. Politicians have buried this as much as they can.

30 year old submarines bought from the British in the 90s. The British never put them into service as they deemed them unreliable.!2 Canadians died in them just brining them over.

BILLIONS have been dumped in them. (2 billion more has just been allocated to them) and only ONE in this entire time Canada has had them. Has gone on patrol.

During the ONE patrol it served the u boat was run aground and severely damaged. The captain was dishonorably discharged.

While fixing the Cock sucking thing and doing pressure tests. The hull collapsed again in an entirely different place. The company fixing it has stated "the hulk will no longer be trustworthy at depths"

The Goverment has signed away any prosecution toward the testing and repairs the contractor is doing as they are putting it back in the fleet.

30 year old diesel electric subs.

1 patrol.


Billions and billions.










Silence.

this means its working

This is so incredibly wrong lol. The vast majority of nuclear powered sea vessels don't carry nuclear weapons. It's not like they use the subs reactor as a bomb lmfao. Imagine being on that crew...

Nuclear power and nuclear bombs are two very different things. Power is relatively easy as far as the whole nuclear things go, but bombs require very highly enriched uranium which is incredibly difficult to acheive. It's something like 5% enrichment for a power plant, and 90% or more for bombs.

time to buy ship building stocks boyos (srs) like HII

You guys realize that means nuclear powered (like all modern subs) and not nuke equipped right?

'Boomers' are the ones that carry the nukes to wipe out cities. They are big and spend their time hiding. They are a deterrent to have a second strike capability. IE Nuke the midwest silos and our subs will nuke you back.

Fast attack are the ones that would be used to take out shipping, commercial or military, and their loadouts would be limited to tor****es, think there are nuclear versions of these in existence, and tube launched cruise missiles. This is what most navies use and is likely what Aussieland is trying to get but I haven't read anything on the subject.

Both types have nuclear propulsion in the US navy.

One interesting thing about the old school diesel electric subs that third world navies have is they are very quiet and can be hard to find. A nuclear sub can't turn off the coolant pumps.... So the crap subs that NK has can be very dangerous still.

they are going to surround their own country making sure nobody escapes in rafts Cuban style

Why would china care about nukes when they can release a biological weapon upon the world which crippled all their rivals while they open back up? And then get no repercussion

The world's response to the wuhan flu was to literally become china and introduce mandatory QR codes, vaccine passports and government surveillance? wat....something smells fishy

Nuclear sub doesn't mean it has to have nukes, it means it's nuclear powered so it can stay out at sea and underwater for a very long time. Usually that's so you can hide your nukes out in the middle of the ocean, but you don't have to.

Haven't refreshed the thread yet to see if i've been flamed.

But wow - good job there OP.

Would've never believed the government would admit their mistakes and throwing away all that money for the past 6 years on the future sub program.

unvaccinated surfers

just lmao at this "deal"

as soon as chit hits fan, Milley is gonna phone a friend CCP and tell them where subs are,

then Biden is gonna pull out all the troops from under Australias rug and leave them stranded in middle of nowhere.

Australia has a BAE systems division that made one of the most advanced and sophisticated weapons. It was also partnered with US navy and Co. Called the Nulka. This was in the 80s! The hypersonics program was dark since the 70s. The land mass in middle of Australia gave them secrecy. Australia also established a warship manufacturing station in Philippines where there was tension beginning with China. It's called Austal. Before students even finish their degrees, specifically most engineering degrees, the Department of Defense already were in there with selected individuals (students)recruiting the cream of the crop. They aren't dumb. They been in this game a long time. Even all their microcontrollers are custom, for max security. A very difficult task and costly.
To answer your question on the significance of reaper drones, this was a significant photo of 2 drones with gorgon stare in Afghanistan, as it made it public knowledge of their doings. Can you please look into WASS darpa project, as it is too complex. The cliff is, these AI modules are capable of tracking thousands of ppl and vehicles for months. The AI builds patterns, as AI algorithm do. When you pair this with the insane looking withdrawal of US military, you may have just exposed the endgame. To discover who the good, and who the bad. And trust me, when they are mixed together in a city, this is a good thing. When they are taking out the bad you will not know about it. It also assist them in refugees selection.