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post 1648914953 10-14-2021, 10:16 AM
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Where does this idea that Lamar Jackson has no help come from?

Hollywood Brown- 24 year old former 1st round pick. 450 yards and 5 Tds so far this year emerging as a star

Mark Andrews- Pro Bowler in 2019 and one of the best tight ends in the league

Sammy Watkins- Former top 5 pick. And when healthy and last time he got more than 90 targets he put up 1000 yards and 9TDs

And he has first round pick Rashod Bateman coming back from injury soon.


How much fukkin help does Lamar need? Fukkin sick of ESPN acting like he’s playing with trash
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The ravens are a well oiled machine

Solid defense always
Great special teams
Average playmakers
Great run game usually
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From Ravens fans and black people who live through Lamar vicariously.
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
The ravens are a well oiled machine

Solid defense always
Great special teams
Average playmakers
Great run game usually
My point was he’s probably gonna have a pro bowl wide receiver and a pro bowl tight end this year . With two other first round talents at wide receiver.

That’s far from average imo
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
The ravens are a well oiled machine

Solid defense always
Great special teams
Average playmakers
Great run game usually
The Ravens defense is ranked near the bottom this season.
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Hollywood Brown would put up close to Tyreek numbers if he was on the chiefs srs. I’ve seen Lamar miss him like 20 times this season lmao
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you forgot a SB winning HC
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Originally Posted By AWSbruh⏩
Hollywood Brown would put up close to Tyreek numbers if he was on the chiefs srs. I’ve seen Lamar miss him like 20 times this season lmao
Brown isn't remotely close to Tyreek. Not as fast, not nearly as strong, is easily moved off his spot on go routes, not particularly strong as a route runner. He's not a #1 WR, but he could be a serviceable 2nd or 3rd option.

Andrews is good, suffers through drops tho. Watkins can't stay healthy (just got hurt last game) and was never ever to put all the pieces together. He will never be a #1 option either. Bateman hasn't stepped 1 foot on an NFL field yet you count him as someone who Lamar can depend on.... just LMFAO do you even fukn understand the best ability is availability and that dude hasn't put on a jersey yet for the Ravens yet you count him as a reason Lamar has help?
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
Brown isn't remotely close to Tyreek. Not as fast, not nearly as strong, is easily moved off his spot on go routes, not particularly strong as a route runner. He's not a #1 WR, but he could be a serviceable 2nd or 3rd option.

Andrews is good, suffers through drops tho. Watkins can't stay healthy (just got hurt last game) and was never ever to put all the pieces together. He will never be a #1 option either. Bateman hasn't stepped 1 foot on an NFL field yet you count him as someone who Lamar can depend on.... just LMFAO do you even fukn understand the best ability is availability and that dude hasn't put on a jersey yet for the Ravens yet you count him as a reason Lamar has help?
Brown is averaging 90 yards and a TD a game rn. He’s a number 1 receiver.

And Andrews only has 1 drop on the season so far. He’s having a good year
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩
Brown is averaging 90 yards and a TD a game rn. He’s a number 1 receiver.

And Andrews only has 1 drop on the season so far. He’s having a good year
He's not a #1 receiver. The past few games this year teams have completely sold out on the Ravens running game, and Lamar has made them pay. Has very little to do with Hollywood Brown.

He isn't creating massive amounts of separation due to his route running or anything other than safetys and LBs have keyed in on the running game and will try and blanket Andrews across the middle (who's having a good year like I said, but throughout his NFL career has been filled with drops) Brown gets 1v1 coverage that NO other #1 WR would naturally get. Just because you put up stats doesn't make you a #1 WR...

See JuJu Smith Schuster when he had his breakout year and the Steelers went with him as the #1 going forward. How'd that turn out?

Last year Robby Anderson had 95 catches for nearly 1100 yards. That make him a #1 WR?

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His big night the other night. Not a single impressive throw. Lots of curl routes cause the defense was scared he’d burn them. But yeah Lamars not threading the needle here. With a more talented qb that allowed brown to run a full route tree he’d be torching defenses even more than he is.

Lot at “no separation” Hes wide open
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩


His big night the other night. Not a single impressive throw. Lots of curl routes cause the defense was scared he’d burn them. But yeah Lamars not threading the needle here. With a more talented qb that allowed brown to run a full route tree he’d be torching defenses even more than he is.

Lot at “no separation” Hes wide open
He can't get off man coverage consistently. He's too little. There were plenty of examples last year and parts of this year where on go routes he can't keep his defender from pushing him towards the sideline. He doesn't have great hands, constantly dropping balls. The Dolphins game and Colts we're the first he's been consistent all year.

It's not even a Lamar thing. When Mcsorely came in for Lamar last year Brown dropped multiple 3rd down balls also.

Consistent separation vs man coverage. There are only a select few #1 WRs in this league.. Hollywood is not it.

Defense have an EXTREMELY tough time playing straight man against Lamar cause that means multiple DBs have their back to Lamar and a potential free lane to run against. So they never strictly play it but def play zone or different variations of it.

Hope you learned something today lil guy
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
He can't get off man coverage consistently. He's too little. There were plenty of examples last year and parts of this year where on go routes he can't keep his defender from pushing him towards the sideline. He doesn't have great hands, constantly dropping balls. The Dolphins game and Colts we're the first he's been consistent all year.

It's not even a Lamar thing. When Mcsorely came in for Lamar last year Brown dropped multiple 3rd down balls also.

Consistent separation vs man coverage. There are only a select few #1 WRs in this league.. Hollywood is not it.

Defense have an EXTREMELY tough time playing straight man against Lamar cause that means multiple DBs have their back to Lamar and a potential free lane to run against. So they never strictly play it but def play zone or different variations of it.

Hope you learned something today lol guy
The ravens haven’t played the dolphins.

And in 4/5 games he has 60+ yards and a touchdown. That’s pretty fukkin game.

He has 2 drops on the year, which isn’t an excessive amount, that’s right in line with what you’d expect. That’s the same amount as tyeek, Moore, chase etc.

So when Watkins and Bateman are both healthy is this false narrative of Lamar not having weapons gonna die?
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩
The ravens haven’t played the dolphins.

And in 4/5 games he has 60+ yards and a touchdown. That’s pretty fukkin game.

He has 2 drops on the year, which isn’t an excessive amount, that’s right in line with what you’d expect. That’s the same amount as tyeek, Moore, chase etc.

So when Watkins and Bateman are both healthy is this false narrative of Lamar not having weapons gonna die?
Except all the ones who've mentioned have probably been targeted far greater than Brown.

Well like with anything.... IT DEPENDS ON HOW THEY PRODUCE. I can't believe I have to type this out. Are you under the delusion that's not how the NFL or sports in general works?

60+ yards is not #1 WR material.. how many fukn times do I gotta keep repeating that. Do you understand the difference between a true #1 and a complimentary WR?

The #1 WRs produce even against coverages schemed specifically AGAINST THEM. That ain't happening with Brown
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
Except all the ones who've mentioned have probably been targeted far greater than Brown.

Well like with anything.... IT DEPENDS ON HOW THEY PRODUCE. I can't believe I have to type this out. Are you under the delusion that's not how the NFL or sports in general works?

60+ yards is not #1 WR material.. how many fukn times do I gotta keep repeating that. Do you understand the difference between a true #1 and a complimentary WR?

The #1 WRs produce even against coverages schemed specifically AGAINST THEM. That ain't happening with Brown
The numbers indicate that Marquise is CURRENTLY putting up #1 numbers. He is more consistent than Tyreek on a team that throws FAR less. Add in catching one of those 2 drops in Detroit, and he's having a much better season than Tyreek without dissapearing.

Quite simply in years prior, you could argue against Marquise, but he's putting together the best season in Baltimore history.

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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
The numbers indicate that Marquise is CURRENTLY putting up #1 numbers. He is more consistent than Tyreek on a team that throws FAR less. Add in catching one of those 2 drops in Detroit, and he's having a much better season than Tyreek without dissapearing.

Quite simply in years prior, you could argue against Marquise, but he's putting together the best season in Baltimore history.

You go into KC knowing you have to pick either stopping Hill or Kelce.

No one is going against the Ravens saying "in order to beat them we have to stop Hollywood Brown". That's just not happening. He's not getting coverages rolled to him, they aren't specifically scheming him out of anything. They normally just play Brown straight up and press him, or they are playing zone making sure that Lamar stays in front of them
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You gotta be fuking kidding me

Sammy watkins is average
Brown isn't a number 1 on most teams in the NFL
Bateman hasn't even played yet
All of their real running backs are hurt

His offensive coordinator is the same one that flamed out in Buffalo and San Francisco

Dude is everything they have
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They have a good line and once Bateman comes back I think they will have a nice complementary if receivers. But before this season Lamar has not had good weapons at all. Brown is like Ty or Desean Jackson it’s a lot of feast or famine, the majority of QBs would of struggle with these ravens receivers in the past.


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Why do blacks defend Lamar so much. There are plenty of black QBs that people give props to: deshaun watson (When he isn't raping women), patrick mahomeboy, dak, russ, kyler

He's Kaep 2.0, nothing more
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So much cope in here lol, won't even respond to one above me when so called running back is scorching the earth passing
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
The ravens are a well oiled machine

Solid defense always
Great special teams
Average playmakers
Great run game usually
Solid D, HAHAHHAHAHAH
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Originally Posted By TommyRO⏩
Solid D, HAHAHHAHAHAH
Since they’ve had Lamar and in the Flacco days they had great defense, yes. Maybe not through 5 games this season bucko
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Originally Posted By TommyRO⏩
Solid D, HAHAHHAHAHAH
They’re 14th in PPG. That’s not atrocious.
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For quality control any numbers accumulated thru games against KCs defense should be eliminated and removed from your analysis...

Treat it as a 2nd bye week for the respective offense
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
You gotta be fuking kidding me

Sammy watkins is average
Brown isn't a number 1 on most teams in the NFL
Bateman hasn't even played yet
All of their real running backs are hurt

His offensive coordinator is the same one that flamed out in Buffalo and San Francisco

Dude is everything they have
lol, this....

Andrews is a legit star, but LOL @ everything else OP mentioned.
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Why do blacks defend Lamar so much. There are plenty of black QBs that people give props to: deshaun watson (When he isn't raping women), patrick mahomeboy, dak, russ, kyler

He's Kaep 2.0, nothing more
He's definitely way better than Kaep. Lamar is a borderline franchise QB.

Anyways, black people that defend him are the ghetto types. There was a rumor back in like 2014 or 2015 that Russell Wilson wasn't considered "black enough" for the Seahawks.

It's definitely a thing.

When Peyton Manning played the Seahawks in the Superbowl, they never talked about this white vs. black QB thing. When Peyton played the Panthers in the Superbowl. They made it about Cam Newton being black all the time.
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Originally Posted By DynamicDot⏩
He's definitely way better than Kaep. Lamar is a borderline franchise QB.

Anyways, black people that defend him are the ghetto types. There was a rumor back in like 2014 or 2015 that Russell Wilson wasn't considered "black enough" for the Seahawks.

It's definitely a thing.

When Peyton Manning played the Seahawks in the Superbowl, they never talked about this white vs. black QB thing. When Peyton played the Panthers in the Superbowl. They made it about Cam Newton being black all the time.
Borderline?


Wtf are you fools smoking. With his passing looking improved dude is as good as anyone.
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Why do blacks defend Lamar so much. There are plenty of black QBs that people give props to: deshaun watson (When he isn't raping women), patrick mahomeboy, dak, russ, kyler

He's Kaep 2.0, nothing more
Because its very obvious his race is one of the reasons he's criticized more than usual
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Borderline?


Wtf are you fools smoking. With his passing looking improved dude is as good as anyone.
You’re taking him over mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Rodgers, Dak, Brady, healthy Russ, Kyler, Deshaun??

Exactly. At best he’s the 10th best qb in the league.

He’s thrown 8 touchdowns ffs
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩
You’re taking him over mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Rodgers, Dak, Brady, healthy Russ, Kyler, Deshaun??

Exactly. At best he’s the 10th best qb in the league.

He’s thrown 8 touchdowns ffs
He's also accumulated more yards than 18 teams by himself. He is that Ravens offense and their defense took a massive step back.
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