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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
There are no authors, it's an opinion blog post by "a concerned reader".

Where have you seen data suggesting the presence of anti-n antibodies after years? Covid hasn't even been around that long.
Data seems pretty spot on

Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint
Blood samples from recovered patients suggest a powerful, long-lasting immune response, researchers reported.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...unity.amp.html
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Originally Posted By Paul
Data seems pretty spot on

Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint
Blood samples from recovered patients suggest a powerful, long-lasting immune response, researchers reported.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...unity.amp.html
That one says

"Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness, the new data show."

Currently, vaccine induced antibodies are detected 6-7 months after the second dose.

So I guess it's a matter of whether or not people feel the risk of complications from infection is worth the extra month of antibodies.
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ITT billions of people are now developing AIDS.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
That one says

"Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness, the new data show."

Currently, vaccine induced antibodies are detected 6-7 months after the second dose.

So I guess it's a matter of whether or not people feel the risk of complications from infection is worth the extra month of antibodies.
Yes, that one says..”There’s no sign that memory cells are suddenly going to plummet, which would be kind of unusual,” Dr. Iwasaki said. “Usually, there’s a slow decay over years.”

“More often, people become infected a second time with a particular pathogen, and the immune system recognizes the invader and quickly extinguishes the infection. The coronavirus in particular is slow to do harm, giving the immune system plenty of time to kick into gear.”


And then onto..”“I don’t think it’s an unreasonable prediction to think that these immune memory components would last for years,” he said.”

How come you didn’t finish reading the whole article??



You mean the risks of the virus..Usually in the VAERS there are 300-450 deaths per year reported and USA jabs people like crazy every year. Jab for this and that and make it a double! About 300 million dosages every year. Between 2006 and 2017 3,45 BILLION dosages! And total of 4100 deaths reported during that time.

Guess what the death number is after 400 million COVID-vaccine doses added to the usual mix? Should it be something like maybe 800 by now, given the fact 300 million vaccinations per year and 400 deaths reported on average?

No, it is currently 16600

And a Stanford Study showed only about 1% of incidents are reported to VAERS..work that out..what are we at...?


Think I’ll take my chances with a flu that has a 99.997% survival rate in which my natural antibodies last far longer than any vaccine in market..which destroys natural antibodies.

Not that hard to figure out.
But you do you bud
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Originally Posted By StoliFun
ITT billions of people are now developing AIDS.
Yea, I saw how Faucci fuked that up too.
Hilarious..but really kinda sad
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Originally Posted By Paul
Yes, that one says..”There’s no sign that memory cells are suddenly going to plummet, which would be kind of unusual,” Dr. Iwasaki said. “Usually, there’s a slow decay over years.”


...years, & the data seems pretty solid.
You mean the risks of the virus..Usually in the VAERS there are 300-450 deaths per year reported and USA jabs people like crazy every year. Jab for this and that and make it a double! About 300 million dosages every year. Between 2006 and 2017 3,45 BILLION dosages! And total of 4100 deaths reported during that time.

Guess what the death number is after 400 million COVID-vaccine doses added to the usual mix? Should it be something like maybe 800 by now, given the fact 300 million vaccinations per year and 400 deaths reported on average?

No, it is currently 16600

And a Stanford Study showed only about 1% of incidents are reported to VAERS..work that out..what are we at...?


Think I’ll take my chances with a flu that has a 99.997% survival rate in which my natural antibodies last far longer than any vaccine in market..which destroys natural antibodies.

Not that hard to figure out.
But you do you bud
The outcome of infection isn't actually a binary, death or no death, outcome. Rather, covid can do damage and greatly reduce quality of life in those who recover, so it may be less straightforward than suggested by the invented binary outcome.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
The outcome of infection isn't actually a binary, death or no death, outcome. Rather, covid can do damage and greatly reduce quality of life in those who recover, so it may less straightforward than suggested by the false dichotomy argument.
Actually we are seeing the opposite true with the vaccines. Long Covid isn’t really prevalent in most & actually extremely rare, considering built up antibodies, the toll the vaccines are taking, however is quite concerning. And now we see natural antibodies dropping 40% with post second jab..well, kinda of a no brainer here...
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Originally Posted By Paul
Actually we are seeing the opposite true with the vaccines.Long Covid isn’t really prevalent in most & actually extremely rare, considering built up antibodies, the toll the vaccines are taking, however is quite concerning. And now we see natural antibodies dropping 40% with post second jab..well, kinda of a no brainer here...
Any sources?


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/e...299-6/fulltext

"For the majority of respondents (>91%), the time to recovery exceeded 35 weeks. During their illness, participants experienced an average of 55.9+/- 25.5 (mean+/-STD) symptoms, across an average of 9.1 organ systems. The most frequent symptoms after month 6 were fatigue, post-exertional malaise, and cognitive dysfunction. Symptoms varied in their prevalence over time, and we identified three symptom clusters, each with a characteristic temporal profile. 85.9% of participants (95% CI, 84.8% to 87.0%) experienced relapses, primarily triggered by exercise, physical or mental activity, and stress. 86.7% (85.6% to 92.5%) of unrecovered respondents were experiencing fatigue at the time of survey, compared to 44.7% (38.5% to 50.5%) of recovered respondents. 1700 respondents (45.2%) required a reduced work schedule compared to pre-illness, and an additional 839 (22.3%) were not working at the time of survey due to illness. Cognitive dysfunction or memory issues were common across all age groups (~88%). Except for loss of smell and taste, the prevalence and trajectory of all symptoms were similar between groups with confirmed and suspected COVID-19."
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Which risk of covid is "virtually 0"?

The incidence of long covid and similar effects appears to be much higher than 0.
One virus isn't any more potent than another, it's just whether or not your body provides a favorable environment for it to thrive.
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Originally Posted By jamalfudge
One virus isn't any more potent than another, it's just whether or not your body provides a favorable environment for it to thrive.
So all viruses have long term effects?
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Another:

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedici...l.pmed.1003773

"Among COVID-19 survivors (mean [SD] age: 46.3 [19.8], 55.6% female), 57.00% had one or more long-COVID feature recorded during the whole 6-month period (i.e., including the acute phase), and 36.55% between 3 and 6 months. The incidence of each feature was: abnormal breathing (18.71% in the 1- to 180-day period; 7.94% in the 90- to180-day period), fatigue/malaise (12.82%; 5.87%), chest/throat pain (12.60%; 5.71%), headache (8.67%; 4.63%), other pain (11.60%; 7.19%), abdominal symptoms (15.58%; 8.29%), myalgia (3.24%; 1.54%), cognitive symptoms (7.88%; 3.95%), and anxiety/depression (22.82%; 15.49%)."
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
So all viruses have long term effects?
Do you hear the virii in this thread? Are they talking to you and only you?
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Originally Posted By jamalfudge
Do you hear the virii in this thread? Are they talking to you and only you?
Not following. You quoted my post so I assumed your post was a response to mine. My bad.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Any sources?


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/e...299-6/fulltext

"For the majority of respondents (>91%), the time to recovery exceeded 35 weeks. During their illness, participants experienced an average of 55.9+/- 25.5 (mean+/-STD) symptoms, across an average of 9.1 organ systems. The most frequent symptoms after month 6 were fatigue, post-exertional malaise, and cognitive dysfunction. Symptoms varied in their prevalence over time, and we identified three symptom clusters, each with a characteristic temporal profile. 85.9% of participants (95% CI, 84.8% to 87.0%) experienced relapses, primarily triggered by exercise, physical or mental activity, and stress. 86.7% (85.6% to 92.5%) of unrecovered respondents were experiencing fatigue at the time of survey, compared to 44.7% (38.5% to 50.5%) of recovered respondents. 1700 respondents (45.2%) required a reduced work schedule compared to pre-illness, and an additional 839 (22.3%) were not working at the time of survey due to illness. Cognitive dysfunction or memory issues were common across all age groups (~88%). Except for loss of smell and taste, the prevalence and trajectory of all symptoms were similar between groups with confirmed and suspected COVID-19."
This study does not distinguish between unvaccinated & vaccinated.

Go to youtube channel of DrBeen and watch some of his medical lectures and interviews on long haul covid (and what he is now calling long haul post vaxx). Really seems to affect younger healthier people for a long time. Some of his interviews give updates on research and therapies
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My whole family of 6 got vaccinated. I had to because I was living with my dad at the time, while working. No one got anything bad at all, including me. Just some fever for 2 days and muscle soreness.
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Originally Posted By johnnydeep1
My whole family of 6 got vaccinated. I had to because I was living with my dad at the time, while working. No one got anything bad at all, including me. Just some fever for 2 days and muscle soreness.
Every animal died in the trials, they actually had to stop animal trials due to this.
Latency between an animals immune system and that of a human..2.5-3yrs.


MudBlood=DeadManWalkin
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Originally Posted By Paul
This study does not distinguish between unvaccinated & vaccinated.

Go to youtube channel of DrBeen and watch some of his medical lectures and interviews on long haul covid (and what he is now calling long haul post vaxx). Really seems to affect younger healthier people for a long time. Some of his interviews give updates on research and therapies
Does Dr Been publish? Can you share some citations?


Fully vaccinated people who get breakthrough infections of COVID-19 are 50 per cent less likely to experience “Long COVID” in comparison to unvaccinated people who are infected with the disease.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...73309921004606
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Originally Posted By Paul
Every animal died in the trials, they actually had to stop animal trials due to this.
Latency between an animals immune system and that of a human..2.5-3yrs.


MudBlood=DeadManWalkin
Any dumbass could claim that X will happen in Y years and when X does not happen in y years everyone will forget about the claim made.

Chit argument.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Not following. You quoted my post so I assumed your post was a response to mine. My bad.
Thanks for bowing out of this thread. Your drivel won't be missed.
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Originally Posted By Unstumpable
I’ve had a number of nurses who deal directly with covid patients tell me the vaccines don’t work. So no way I’m getting it.
I'd defiantly believe a nurse who has 2 years of school and 1 year of wiping asses and cleaning bed pans at an old folks home over doctors who have been to school for upwards of 10 years, and specialize in vaccines........


Sorry if I made u mad....
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Originally Posted By Paul
This study does not distinguish between unvaccinated & vaccinated.

Go to youtube channel of DrBeen and watch some of his medical lectures and interviews on long haul covid (and what he is now calling long haul post vaxx). Really seems to affect younger healthier people for a long time. Some of his interviews give updates on research and therapies
Hot dam, we got a youtube researcher on our hands, tell us more!!!
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Another:

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedici...l.pmed.1003773

"Among COVID-19 survivors (mean [SD] age: 46.3 [19.8], 55.6% female), 57.00% had one or more long-COVID feature recorded during the whole 6-month period (i.e., including the acute phase), and 36.55% between 3 and 6 months. The incidence of each feature was: abnormal breathing (18.71% in the 1- to 180-day period; 7.94% in the 90- to180-day period), fatigue/malaise (12.82%; 5.87%), chest/throat pain (12.60%; 5.71%), headache (8.67%; 4.63%), other pain (11.60%; 7.19%), abdominal symptoms (15.58%; 8.29%), myalgia (3.24%; 1.54%), cognitive symptoms (7.88%; 3.95%), and anxiety/depression (22.82%; 15.49%)."
You know people make chit up right? Or wait for something to correlate in their body with an action?

Sad that medical studies have to report everything....
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Originally Posted By JPF82
Hot dam, we got a youtube researcher on our hands, tell us more!!!
Heterologously Vaccinated Superior Race Crew

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ITT: A bunch of morons who don't know a god dam thing about anything they're speaking about but quote people who align with their narrative.


Isn't freedom of speech great! lol


Sound like kids on the school yard "well my daddy does construction!" "well mine is a lawyer" "well mine has the beetus". None of you can even explain how a vaccine works without googling it and even then you'll forget it in 30 minutes anyway.

None of you understand this chit, and just because some people with chips on their shoulders, mentally deranged PhD holders say some chit you latch onto it like its your livelihood.
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Originally Posted By johnnydeep1
Any dumbass could claim that X will happen in Y years and when X does not happen in y years everyone will forget about the claim made.

Chit argument.
history of mRNA/Coronavirus Vaccines & previous animal trials..

-Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0035421


Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of Feline Infectious Peritonitis Virus Infection in Feline Alveolar Macro****es and Human Monocyte Cell Line U937 by Serum of Cats Experimentally or Naturally Infected with Feline Coronavirus

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article..._1_49/_article


Vaccine efficacy in senescent mice challenged with recombinant SARS-CoV bearing epidemic and zoonotic spike variants

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17194199/


Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/


Prior immunization with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV) nucleocapsid protein causes severe pneumonia in mice infected with SARS-CoV

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18941225/


Evaluation of the mRNA-1273 Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 in Nonhuman Primates

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7449230/


Immunization with Modified Vaccinia Virus Ankara-Based Recombinant Vaccine against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Is Associated with Enhanced Hepatitis in Ferrets

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128...rmanently=true


Cliffs:
Once vaccinated, the animals had an inability to fight off or suffered adverse effects once reinfected.

The vaccinated animals did not all die; however, many vaccinated animals became sicker than non-vaccinated when exposed to the SARS virus. Some studies included sacrificing the test animals and tissue study---most of the vaccinated animals in the studies developed inflammation in liver or lung or elsewhere.
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Originally Posted By StoliFun
Reps



Edit: I am all out of margarita, too lazy to make another....
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Originally Posted By Paul
history of mRNA/Coronavirus Vaccines & previous animal trials..

-Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0035421


Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of Feline Infectious Peritonitis Virus Infection in Feline Alveolar Macro****es and Human Monocyte Cell Line U937 by Serum of Cats Experimentally or Naturally Infected with Feline Coronavirus

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article..._1_49/_article


Vaccine efficacy in senescent mice challenged with recombinant SARS-CoV bearing epidemic and zoonotic spike variants

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17194199/


Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/


Prior immunization with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV) nucleocapsid protein causes severe pneumonia in mice infected with SARS-CoV

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18941225/


Evaluation of the mRNA-1273 Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 in Nonhuman Primates

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7449230/


Immunization with Modified Vaccinia Virus Ankara-Based Recombinant Vaccine against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Is Associated with Enhanced Hepatitis in Ferrets

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128...rmanently=true


Cliffs:
Once vaccinated, the animals had an inability to fight off or suffered adverse effects once reinfected.

The vaccinated animals did not all die; however, many vaccinated animals became sicker than non-vaccinated when exposed to the SARS virus. Some studies included sacrificing the test animals and tissue study---most of the vaccinated animals in the studies developed inflammation in liver or lung or elsewhere.
Evolutionary bias scientists brah.......
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Does Dr Been publish? Can you share some citations?


Fully vaccinated people who get breakthrough infections of COVID-19 are 50 per cent less likely to experience “Long COVID” in comparison to unvaccinated people who are infected with the disease.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...73309921004606
Then why are vaxx deaths outpacing unvaccinated?..we just went though this

July 9. 45 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_18.pdf

July 23. 59 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_19.pdf

August 6: 149 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_20.pdf

September 3. 555 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed

https://assets.publishing.service.go...2_21_09_02.pdf

September 17. 891 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed

https://assets.publishing.service.go...3_21_09_16.pdf

If the vaccines are “safe & effective” why are so many vaccinated ending up in the hospital?
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Originally Posted By JPF82
Hot dam, we got a youtube researcher on our hands, tell us more!!!
We don’t trust Doctors now..?

Say it ain’t so..
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Originally Posted By Paul
Then why are vaxx deaths outpacing unvaccinated?..we just went though this

July 9. 45 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_18.pdf

July 23. 59 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_19.pdf

August 6: 149 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_20.pdf

September 3. 555 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed

https://assets.publishing.service.go...2_21_09_02.pdf

September 17. 891 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed

https://assets.publishing.service.go...3_21_09_16.pdf

If the vaccines are “safe & effective” why are so many vaccinated ending up in the hospital?
Oh, I thought we covered this previously.

There are many, many more vaccinated than unvaccinated people in the UK. The denominator matters when determining rates.
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