Whoa, so first we can’t trust Doctors..& now we can’t trust Scientists as well..

Chit brah, what will humanity do?

In July?

Sorry I’m not understanding..if the vaccines are “safe and effective” why are so many dying?

Probably because covid is real.

A much larger proportion of unvaccinated people are being hospitalized and dying.

Actually no

July 9. 45 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_18.pdf

July 23. 59 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_19.pdf


I thought you said the vaccines keep you from hospitalizations & death..so which it?

*Proportion*

The denominator matters.

WOW those are scary numbers!!!!


How many died from covid again? I forget......

EXACTLY!
47008 overall delta cases in just the double vaxxed subjects
402 deaths
Equates to a 0.86% chance of death

151054 overall delta cases in unvaxxed subjects
254 deaths
Equates to a 0.17% chance of death

But the results are selectivity spreading out all the various vaxxed stages when it should really read as vaxxed vs unvaxxed.

Which then produces...

215837 overall delta cases across all vaxxed subjects (excluding unlinked)
481 deaths
Equates to a 0.22% chance of death

So either way being vaxxed is giving a higher chance of death and killing more people as a percentage of said subjects. The maths says it all and that alone should be a valid reason to decline.

The vaxxed data doesnt even run close to the stats of unvaxxed. So it's not doing what it should be doing. So in black and white you're no worse.


0.22% vs 0.86%

That's a 291% higher increase in vaxxed people.


Understand?

Number of vaccinated people in the population?
Number of unvaccinated people in the population?

Those are the denominators

You just said the vaccines keep you from hospitalizations & death..yet the vaccinated are now outpacing the unvaxxed.

If the vaccines were effective..this should not be the case. They aren’t doing what they are intended to do. How are you not understanding this??

Pace suggests rate.

Epidemiology is the “study of distribution and determinants of health-related states among specified populations and the application of that study to the control of health problems.”

The populations of interest as people who have been vaccinated and the people who have not.

There is a larger proportion of unvaccinated people in the hospital or dying (relative to the population of unvaccinated people) than the proportion of vaccinated people in the hospital or dying (relative to the population of vaccinated people).

Cases work the same way. The population sizes are the denominators.

No..the vaccinated are out pacing the unvaxxed, again, if the vaccines were effective, why are so many vaccinated dying?

If this was the vaccine for Polio..the only ones in the hospital & dying from Polio SHOULD be the ones who did NOT get the vaccine..no?? I mean chit, they should certainly outnumber them at least..right??

Because the denominator matters

So the vaccines don’t actually do what they are intended to do..keep people from dying.

Gotcha

The data suggest otherwise.

Does it..? I thought we went through this..once again.. Usually in the VAERS there are 300-450 deaths per year reported and USA jabs people like crazy every year. Jab for this and that and make it a double! About 300 million dosages every year. Between 2006 and 2017 3,45 BILLION dosages! And total of 4100 deaths reported during that time.

Guess what the death number is after 400 million COVID-vaccine doses added to the usual mix? Should it be something like maybe 800 by now, given the fact 300 million vaccinations per year and 400 deaths reported on average?

No, it is currently 16600

That number is statistically only 1% of what is actually reported.

Fukkk these lo-iq kiddie diddlers are coming hard tonight. Is this their last hurrah?

have you not been reading any of his replies, or are you just being a muppet troll?


youre the kind of person who has shifted from arguing 1 + 1 not equaling 2, and now arguing against the pen and paper it was written on.

Of the 51,281 deaths involving Covid registered in England between 2 January and 2 July 2021:

640 (1.2%) were people who had received both vaccine doses
This total includes people who had been infected before they were vaccinated
Some 458 deaths (0.8%) were people who died at least 21 days after their second dose
Just 256 deaths (0.5%) were people who were both fully vaccinated and who had their first positive PCR test at least 14 days after their second dose
"Breakthrough" deaths - occurring at least two weeks after the second jab along with a first positive PCR Covid test - tend to happen in the most vulnerable, men and those with weakened immune systems, with the average age being 84.

But overall numbers were very small - they accounted for only 0.5% of all deaths from Covid-19 over the first six months of the year.

Julie Stanborough, from the ONS, said: "Our new analysis shows that, sadly, there have been deaths of people involving Covid-19 despite them being fully vaccinated.

"However, we've also found that the risk of a death involving Covid-19 is much lower among people who are fully vaccinated than those who are unvaccinated."

Among those who died after two doses, 13% were immunocompromised, 61% were male and more than 75% were clinically extremely vulnerable.

In the UK, 80% of people aged 16 and over have had two doses and nearly 90% have had one dose.

Since vaccinations were offered to priority, high-risk groups first - as advised by the UK's vaccine advisory body - comparing the number of deaths in vaccinated and unvaccinated groups over time is not useful.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58545548

Didn’t mean to leave you hanging. I was away doing some family stuff for a bit...

I wish I had been keeping track of the adverse reactions we’ve been seeing. If I had to take a guess as to how many calls I’ve run where it seemed very likely that the acute illness/emergency was the result of being vaccinated (as reported by the patient), I’d say at least 20.

Of those cases, I’d categorize roughly half of them as being “significant” adverse reactions...cardiac/circulatory system related, neurological/seizure, the late term miscarriage, etc.

Last few shifts have been pretty busy for my crew. We also ran several more EMS calls where the patient (or their family) found it pertinent to inform us that they had been vaccinated recently.

64 year old female found in cardiac arrest 2 days post vaccination. We were unable to resuscitate. Medical history reported to us was the typical hypertension and high cholesterol, but that’s it. Husband seemed convinced that the vaccination played a role in her death.

54 year old female who was vaccinated sometime roughly 2 weeks ago, in order to keep her job, had a seizure at work. No prior history of seizures.

28 year old male who also was recently vaccinated as a condition of employment, called 911 due to chest pain and shortness of breath. Pathological EKG, pain unrelieved by nitroglycerin, pain improved with morphine administration. Unknown what his official diagnosis at the hospital ended up being.

Listen dude. My girlfriend gives the shots for a living and her own pharmacist who is a Muslim is against it. She is a liberal and doesn’t understand how someone could purposely harm another person but I was in therd one day and made a joke like I think that another country is gonna kill us all with those and her pharmacist who is a Muslim and against them said he is right. I think so too. He is upset children are getting them now. They said quite a few people have passed out instantly after taking them and tons of people that they know they vaccinated are coming back quite ill and testing positive for Covid. No way of knowing if the vaccine is causing that but it’s obviously not working to prevent anything but people are so brainwashed with political views and stuff that they need the jab. It’s crazy

Today we found a 74 year old guy slumped over in his car, deceased. His daughter said that he had received hisboostershot earlier this morning.

He wasn’t a noticeably unhealthy guy, but definitely had a handful of the typical chronic illnesses that elderly people tend to have (hypertension, high cholesterol, diabetes, etc).

She also told us that he had been hospitalized on2previous occasions aftereachof his initial 2 covid vaccinations.

That seemed so insane to me. His fear of covid was so powerful that he chose to keep getting vaccinated despite having awful reactions to them. His daughter mentioned that his doctor recommended that he receive the booster.

This one is really hard for me to understand.

It's hilarious you cling to this narrative when it was the same argument covid deniers used b4 the vaccine.

"We have more cases cause we test more" (agreed)

"Ya millions of people have it but healthy people are safe with a 99.9% survival rate"

You can literally swap out vaccinated peoples defense of the vax for the same points everyone was making against lockdowns.

Insane that the doc didn't take his prior experiences into consideration. Just goes with the default answer of "get vaxxed"

That part was eye opening for sure.

I understand that there are lots of bad doctors out there, and I’ve dealt with many of them at my job over the years, but this example was hard for me to imagine.

I never would have thought that a medical practitioner of any type would be so completely inept at caring for a patient.

Probably can't be considered medical malpractice due EUA either smh

The doctor didn’t force him to take it as far as I know, so it’s probably not technically seen as malpractice. No idea.

At a minimum it’s an example of extremely poor judgement and incompetence on behalf of the doctor though. At this point it’s just so difficult for me to imagine being THAT afraid of covid, that my ability to apply common sense and reason would be this nonexistent.

Totally get where you're saying.

I doubt the media...one example being the death ticker on CNN helps people's psyche.

We aren't watching MSM every waking free hour of the day, so we haven't been tainted with the same bs propaganda. Talk to people who watch CNN religiously...they fully expect that COVID -> hospitalization. These people are still going to the grocery store wearing gloves, goggles, face shields, the whole deal. They're using hand sanitizer like crazy. They still observe the absurd and arbitrary 6 ft "social distancing" guidance. These people are absolutely broken beyond repair, and continue to subject themselves to propaganda every day.

These people are rushing out to vaccinate their toddlers, who have less to fear from COVID than the flu. TODDLERS. These people are broken.

Thanks for the updates. Keep them coming.