Lifting is one of the greatest things any man can do for himself.

Irrelevant. There are 166 million women in the US...Big deal if one doesn't want to date me because I don't meet her height requirement. See that's your problem, you internalize every interaction and you allow it to wear you down. Women are a numbers game, and they always have been. One says no, move on to the next...end of. Being short isn't your issue. Your pessimistic, depressing attitude towards dating is.

My problem is that I don't meet the superficial standards of women. Its extremely obvious. People like you for some reason refuse to accept that, I don't get why.

Its not just one woman, with online dating and other things basically every woman has inflated standards

Because she didn't want to and I moved away. Its not like she didn't have a say in the matter

Stop with online dating. Dead ass. Online is stacked against you as an average guy, nor to mention a short guy.

Take online out of your vocabulary and stick to IRL interactions. You need to build this face to face skills. Number one though you need to fukking love yourself. You do not. Without that, your sadness will show through and undermine all attempts at flirting that could have worked. You can't look at the dating game as this static, mechanical thing. It's mostly emotional decisions by both parties. You gotta get yours in the right place.

We don't accept it because we've seen the contrary. We've seen short dudes pull women and we've seen ugly dudes pull women. A few months ago you heightfished a shorty...so obviously your face isn't the issue, and maybe, just maybe if you weren't caught in a bold faced lie she may have stuck around and saw the date through. The problem is moreso you not thinking you're good enough more than them thinking it.

She wouldn't have ever even matched with me if I didn't height fish.

I deleted online dating entirely now because my matches went to zero without height fraud.

Of course you've seen, its not that it never ever happens but it's rare. For every example you see there are 10 dudes you don't see fapping at home because they can't get anything

Women irl still compare me to their options online. They aren't going to settle for the short, not good looking guy dude. It doesn't matter what I do or say.

Dude. If that woman wasn't attracted to your face your height wouldn't have mattered one bit. How do you know it's rare? You probably don't even go out enough to know if it's rare or not. You keep your nose in those articles and keep selling yourself the nightmare.

I have been going out all the time to make friends since I moved to a new state.

There are so many decent guys with zero or near zero prospects. Its almost unbelievable how mainstream red pill is now, so many of these guys will say the same things I'm saying now and are basically giving up on dating.

Not sure what you mean about the face. She liked my face and matched with me but it didn't matter once she realized I was short.

Ayyy. So instead of accepting it / seeing a psychologist about his issues / improving on aspects he can, he chooses misc as a place he needs to convince of his helplessness. Man that's a sad life.

I did online therapy for a bit earlier this year. After several sessions even my therapist concluded my path is dying alone. Anyone looking at this honestly will conclude the same

That's a lie you convinced yourself is true. Someone actively engaged in a conversation with you is focused on what's going on right then, not who their possible matches could be online. Stop with the bs.

Online is a completely soulless catalogue of swiping through faces. IRL is an actual natural interaction between two people. No texting or swiping can ever replace it.

I know your aren't blind. I know you've seen guys your height with gf's (likely taller than them). I know you've seen guys uglier than you with gf's. You aren't blind or retarded, so I know for a fact that you've seen it with your own eyes. You think they found their women online?

Social circles, friends of friends, coworkers, bars, places where people get together with common interests. Places you can interact IRL. Forget online data and enjoy actual human contact.

Have some fukking confidence in something! Stop disqualifying yourself from women because you're short. Stop taking yourself so fukking seriously and just have fun with it.

If you can't do that, get some therapy or do some psychedelics or something. You don't want things to remain as they are, but you also don't want to change. Well too fukking bad, we can't all do what we want to do and get the results we want. You want companionship more than being alone, so make some fukking changes and stop clinging to the worthless ego that tells you that nothing matters so you'll just stay the same.

Fuk your stupid ego. You HAVE to change. Tough chit we all do at some point. No one is denying things are harder for you or that looks don't matter, but what we are saying are these things pale in comparison to your own mindset. You're stubborn and keep getting the same results. Change. You don't get a choice. Change or die alone. If you're willing to change, we're always there to back you up. If you aren't gtfo and stop making threads about incels because nobody gives a fuk about a man who won't help himself.

best advice is to begom orthodox

You said a ton there, but to the key parts:

1. No, I do not often see anyone my height with women. Very few men are as short as me to begin with. Then the ones that do well are usually not black or have a better looking face. The handful of African guys that look like me that I've seen with women were are all with fat white chicks. Lol

2. I meet people irl all the time. The ones that like me as a person are interested in friendship and nothing more. Why? Because they can do better than the midget with a mediocre face. That's reality. Nobody is settling for that. I'm in several black social groups and have had women in those groups say to my face its a deal breaker for them.

3. I did therapy earlier this year. Even my therapist said it's a lost cause for me and I need to focus on coping.

So move on

You don’t deserve a woman and those of us that can get them don’t care about your plight. Do something to make it better, or stfu and suffer in silence because nobody Fuking cares about you inbreds

1. Then get a fat white woman

2. Do you escalate IRL? Not online, I mean in face to face conversation? How often do you do this in a week?

3. Why did they conclude it was a lost cause?

Obviously you don't care, the problem is not even acknowledging the issues to begin.

Most of you guys didn't even bother reading the article. The point he's making is that people don't listen to what incels are saying and reporting, and that's causing society to be blind to the root causes and consequences of what's going on.

Which is exactly what's happening in this thread

1. Nobody with any self respect is with a fat chick unless they have a fetish.

2. There's nothing to escalate, they aren't interested at all, its always just friends. Friends are good. But thats all it is.

3. She compared it to the short guy who wants to be in the NBA. Yes, there are a few exceptions but most guys in the nba are tall and its unhealthy to chase unrealistic goals.

The most realistic and healthy option for me is to cope.

1. You said yourself you're short and unattractive. What makes you think you're better than someone who's basically your equal?

2. Fuk you mean nothing to escalate? What you meant to say was no, you did not escalate.

3. Chitty therapist. Find a male one.



This is literally you

"Women's standards are too high!"
"A woman as unappealing as I am? Preposterous!"

Nobody cares about the issue. I don’t care to read about the incel plight to better understand it. What are the consequences? That ugly losers hide out in their basement? Sounds good to me. Do that and stfu

1. I at least take care of myself, my equal isn't someone who doesn't even take care of themselves

2. I mean that I'm not an autist and I can read the room. Escalating on women who have absolutely no attraction to you at all does not work. They aren't interested.

3. Truth hurts sometimes but at least she gave it. I think she made complete sense. Now to actually move on and cope is hard but it makes sense to do

More like men give up and stop working and society collapses and becomes unstable and unsustainable. But ok, stay blind

"Women's standards are too high!"
"A woman as unappealing as I am? Preposterous!"

How about this. Post a picture of a woman you think is of equal attractiveness to you.

If I was fat and didn't take of myself too, you'd have a point. But I've been in good physical shape my entire life. To say that's equal to a fat woman isn't true and you know that. I'm not saying I'm a 10. But my equal is at least not fat

No, you are short and ugly. Your equal is ugly. That's not how this works. You just don't want someone who'd want you because you aren't attracted to them. Guess what? Ugly people wanna fuk models too! You're no different from the women you criticize. You're the equivalent of some horrible looking woman who only browses through tinder for Chad. You're the male equivalent, only difference is you can't get sex on demand like women can because no man can.

Your standards are higher than your station. You have chit to offer emotionally, chit to offer sexually, yet want to talk about standards.

My equal is definitely ugly but not fat, that's all I'm saying. I'm not fat so my equal isn't fat.

Maybe get a fat girl and stick her on a treadmill.

She can lose weight and be pretty. You'll never get taller or better looking...

This is actually pretty much true but whatever, I'll cope or rope over fatties.

Its also not like fatties are banging down my door. They've never been interested either