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post 1650850713 11-15-2021, 09:41 AM
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"He suffers more than necessary, who suffers before it is necessary"

-Lucius Annaeus Seneca.
Thoughts?
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Originally Posted By johnnyboi123⏩
-Lucius Annaeus Seneca.
Thoughts?
Shouldn't it read "He who suffers more than necessary, suffers before it is necessary"?

What you've posted doesn't quite make sense.

Also, with my edit (which is most likely the actual correct quote), I'm not quite sure I understand it. So, if I'm suffering greatly and I'm homeless, depressed and weary, Seneca is saying that I have suffered before it is necessary? When is suffering "necessary"?
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post 1650851433 11-15-2021, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted By HannoCometh⏩
Shouldn't it read "He who suffers more than necessary, suffers before it is necessary"?

What you've posted doesn't quite make sense.

Also, with my edit (which is most likely the actual correct quote), I'm not quite sure I understand it. So, if I'm suffering greatly and I'm homeless, depressed and weary, Seneca is saying that I have suffered before it is necessary? When is suffering "necessary"?
He's referring to worrying about stuff in your head before anything even happens. Basically, that you should live in the present.
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People seem to love suffering more than necessary. Its like the entire victimhood thing supports the notion.
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post 1650851933 11-15-2021, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted By johnnyboi123⏩
He's referring to worrying about stuff in your head before anything even happens. Basically, that you should live in the present.
With your interpretation, it should therefore actually read:
He who suffers before it is necessary, suffers more than is necessary."
My rework of OP's arrangement makes it much clearer, yes?

It looks like you've taken the literal translation from the Latin, but this does not transform into good English. Good English would be my rework of the literal translation (if that is indeed what you have posted).

EDIT: Also, with this rework in mind and your interpretation, tell me, how did you arrive at this interpretation? Sure, your interpretation may not be wrong, but let us approach this with a blank mind. Would this really be howeverybodywould interpret it? Some may interpret it as meaning that sometimes suffering may be necessary to achieve something great or beneficial. For example, the populace of a kingdom comes together and builds a great city, all the while rationing and toiling day and night. Some would see this as "necessary suffering". However, rationing and toiling for no reason at all prior to the establishment of this great city may be viewed as "unnecessary", perhaps (e.g. religion-related/spirituality-related suffering)?
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post 1650852163 11-15-2021, 10:04 AM
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I agree OP
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Originally Posted By HannoCometh⏩
With your interpretation, it should therefore actually read:



My rework of OP's arrangement makes it much clearer, yes?

It looks like you've taken the literal translation from the Latin, but this does not transform into good English. Good English would be my rework of the literal translation (if that is indeed what you have posted).

EDIT: Also, with this rework in mind and your interpretation, tell me, how did you arrive at this interpretation? Sure, your interpretation may not be wron, but let us approach this with a blank mind. Would this really be howeverybodywould interpret it? Some may interpret it as meaning that sometimes suffering may be necessary to achieve something great or beneficial. For example, the populace of a kingdom comes together and builds a great city, all the while rationing and toiling day and night. Some would see this as "necessary suffering". However, rationing and toiling for no reason at all prior to the establishment of this great city may be viewed as "unnecessary", perhaps?
you are missing the entire point, just getting caught up in semantics. lmao Ngmi brah if you don't get the gist of this quote, doesn't matter how it's worded.
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Originally Posted By johnnyboi123⏩
you are missing the entire point, just getting caught up in semantics. lmao Ngmi brah if you don't get the gist of this quote, doesn't matter how it's worded.
Where did you get the quote from? It's not simply a matter of semantics. Sometimes, literal translations don't make good English. Also, with many quotes (when not given any context) can literally be interpreted to mean ANYTHING. So, neither of us could be wrong.



EXAMPLE:

"He who finishes last, may have experienced the greatest."

Tell me, what is your interpreation of this quote lol
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Originally Posted By HannoCometh⏩
Shouldn't it read "He who suffers more than necessary, suffers before it is necessary"?

What you've posted doesn't quite make sense.

Also, with my edit (which is most likely the actual correct quote), I'm not quite sure I understand it. So, if I'm suffering greatly and I'm homeless, depressed and weary, Seneca is saying that I have suffered before it is necessary? When is suffering "necessary"?
lol at this fookin autist
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Originally Posted By johnnyboi123⏩
He's referring to worrying about stuff in your head before anything even happens. Basically, that you should live in the present.
I dont see why anyone would disagree with that
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Typical misc grammar enthusiasts missing the point of the thread.
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