If your argument is that the contents of the vaccines with "Comirnaty" on the vial are different, please provide support for that argument.

That's what you're stuck on?

Over 40,000 participants is a small sample for a clinical trial?

False.
Covid did not cause homelessness & starvation.
Government mandates did.
Never confuse the two.

In which after three months both Pfizer & Moderna unblinded their studies and offered the vaccine to the control group that had received the placebo. Double blind studies are the gold standard for establishing causation, and now we will never have that medium or long term data. So when they say, “There’s no evidence that mRNA vaccines cause [bad thing that vaccinated people are experiencing]” that’s why. They avoided the opportunity to create the evidence.

I was referring to the pandemic and responses to it.

What I don't see is how there would be less starvation and homelessness if people didn't get vaccinated.

I thought the control cohort was offered the vaccine after the conclusion of the trial, which is typical.

1. They had all the science they needed on day one? Remember, trials take YEARS to also include long term effects. We still aren't there!
2. The data was collected through voluntary admission, meaning many people might not have even thought of or knew to submit data
3. The data collection was originally incomplete. They gave them a list to choose from, and if it wasn't on that list, you couldn't document it.
4. The processing of data is EXTREMELY important. From comorbidities to ACTUAL cause of death

This entire process is unprecedented.

3 months of testing is now the conclusion of the trials?

I think maybe we're talking about different data sets.

But trials don't take years and definitely don't require assessing long term effects for approval unless long term efficacy or harm is identified as an endpoint. I can't think of any vaccine examples with those as endpoints.

No, after the conclusion of the phase 3 trial.

We are still in trials, with no control group.
Which is why the push to get everyone vaccinated

Notsureifserious

“Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.”

“Stages of Vaccine Development and Testing

In the United States, vaccine development and testing follow a standard set of steps. The first stages are exploratory in nature. Regulation and oversight increase as the candidate vaccine makes its way through the process.

First Steps: Laboratory and Animal Studies

Exploratory Stage

This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years. Federally funded academic and governmental scientists identify natural or synthetic antigens that might help prevent or treat a disease. These antigens could include virus-like particles, weakened viruses or bacteria, weakened bacterial toxins, or other substances derived from pathogens.

Pre-Clinical Stage

Pre-clinical studies use tissue-culture or cell-culture systems and animal testing to assess the safety of the candidate vaccine and its immunogenicity, or ability to provoke an immune response. Animal subjects may include mice and monkeys. These studies give researchers an idea of the cellular responses they might expect in humans. They may also suggest a safe starting dose for the next phase of research as well as a safe method of administering the vaccine.”

Many candidate vaccines never progress beyond this stage because they fail to produce the desired immune response. The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years and usually involves researchers in private industry.

IND Application

A sponsor, usually a private company, submits an application for an Investigational New Drug (IND) to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. The sponsor describes the manufacturing and testing processes, summarizes the laboratory reports, and describes the proposed study. An institutional review board, representing an institution where the clinical trial will be conducted, must approve the clinical protocol. The FDA has 30 days to approve the application.“

Next Steps: Clinical Studies with Human Subjects

Phase I Vaccine Trials

This first attempt to assess the candidate vaccine in humans involves a small group of adults, usually between 20-80 subjects. If the vaccine is intended for children, researchers will first test adults, and then gradually step down the age of the test subjects until they reach their target. Phase I trials may be non-blinded (also known as open-label in that the researchers and perhaps subjects know whether a vaccine or placebo is used).“


Phase II Vaccine Trials

A larger group of several hundred individuals participates in Phase II testing. Some of the individuals may belong to groups at risk of acquiring the disease. These trials are randomized and well controlled, and include a placebo group.

The goals of Phase II testing are to study the candidate vaccine’s safety, immunogenicity, proposed doses, schedule of immunizations, and method of delivery.

Phase III Vaccine Trials

Successful Phase II candidate vaccines move on to larger trials, involving thousands to tens of thousands of people. These Phase III tests are randomized and double blind and involve the experimental vaccine being tested against a placebo (the placebo may be a saline solution, a vaccine for another disease, or some other substance).

Vaccine efficacy is tested as well. These factors might include 1) Does the candidate vaccine prevent disease? 2) Does it prevent infection with the pathogen? 3) Does it lead to production of antibodies or other types of immune responses related to the pathogen?

Next Steps: Approval and Licensure

After a successful Phase III trial, the vaccine developer will submit a Biologics License Application to the FDA. Then the FDA will inspect the factory where the vaccine will be made and approve the labeling of the vaccine.


Post-Licensure Monitoring of Vaccines

A variety of systems monitor vaccines after they have been approved. They include Phase IV trials, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, and the Vaccine Safety Datalink.

Phase IV Trials

Phase IV trial are optional studies that drug companies may conduct after a vaccine is released. The manufacturer may continue to test the vaccine for safety, efficacy, and other potential uses.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/co...and-regulation

Pfizer completed phase 1, 2, and 3 clinical trials.

Work on the technology and SARS-CoV-* vaccines began more than a decade ago.The phase 3 trial for pfizer-biontech had 43,548 participants: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04713553

No they did not, during Phase 3 they offered the vaccines to the control group.
This invalidates any double-blind study

Also please show me the animal testing

Again, no animal studies, (they had to stop them) & no double blind placebo control group.

This invalidates Phase 3 Trials


“Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.”

Nah man. Operation warp speed.

EUA is the new FDA.

This is alarming. Can you provide a source stating they ended the trial early and vaccinated controls before phase 3 endpoints were achieved?

From what I've seen Pfizer and Moderna were given approval to simultaneously test their vaccines on animals while they were conducting Phase 1 trials on humans. The vaccines were tested on mice and macaques. Animal studies were not skipped.

Here's one
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03275-y

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccine tests were conducted, as customary, with a control group; a group within the trial who were given a placebo and not the test vaccine. However, during the trial -and after the untested vaccines were given emergency use authorization- the vaccine companies conducting the trial decided to break protocol and notify the control group they were not vaccinated. Almost all the control group were then given the vaccine.

Purposefully dissolving the placebo group violates the scientific purpose to test whether the vaccine has any efficacy; any actual benefit and/or safety issues. Without a control group there is nothing to compare the vaccinated group against. According to NPR, the doctors lost the control group in the Johnson County Clinicial Trial (Lexena, Kansas) on purpose:

Via NPR) […] “Dr. Carlos Fierro, who runs the study there, says every participant was called back after the Food and Drug Administration authorized the vaccine.

“During that visit we discussed the options, which included staying in the study without the vaccine,” he says, “and amazingly there were people — a couple of people — who chose that.”

He suspects those individuals got spooked by rumors about the vaccine. But everybody else who had the placebo shot went ahead and got the actual vaccine. So now Fierro has essentially no comparison group left for the ongoing study. “It’s a loss from a scientific standpoint, but given the circumstances I think it’s the right thing to do,” he says.


People signing up for these studies were not promised special treatment, but once the FDA authorized the vaccines, their developers decided to offer the shots.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...getting-immuni

Thanks!

A little digging shows they did offer vaccines to control participants at their 4th visit because they had achieved the identified endpoints and participants were pushing for it.

It looks like that was 6 months earlier than initially expected.

This trial lasted 23 days..are you serious with this chit?

Oh. I see. Can't have a bunch of live placebo-recipients wandering around talking, now can we?

This means that there are no continued studies for long term. Any FDA approval will be fraudulent.

Oh, my mistake. Now what do you think about the fact that the number of adverse reactions to this vaccine eclipse all other vaccines combined across human history? That's totally justified for the sniffles, right? ****git.

I think they monitored immune response at 12 and 28 days.

Here's another summary

https://regenerativemc.com/pfizer-animal-trial-results/

That escalated quickly.

I was just asking why people who were vaccinated would be physiologically dependent on boosters as you stated.

Listing adverse reactions doesn't really answer the question unless those adverse reactions are a form of withdrawal. But I think most of those happen within a few days of vaccination, so not likely due to withdrawal.

Which vaccines have had long term effects assessed as a requirement before approval?

Long term effects (however that may be defined) is not typically an endpoint in vaccine trials.

It is intentional genocide. Let me walk you through the process. Get back to me when you read all this information, and I will continue your lesson.Pt 2

It looks like they've been working on it for at least 20 years. That seems to contradict the arguments above.