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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Which vaccines have had long term effects assessed as a requirement before approval?

Long term effects (however that may be defined) is not typically an endpoint in vaccine trials.
The ended the placebo group after 3 months..I don’t think you seem to understand that we are now in a situation where we will never have that medium or long term data.

As of 10/22

Number of Adverse Reactions.......818,044
Number of Life Threating Events...18,924
Number of Hospitalizations...........83,412
Number of Deaths.......................17,128
Permanent # of Disabilities after vaxx..26,199

The list goes on & on..

https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/10/2...gh-10-15-2021/

VAERS stands for the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. It is directly related to the jabs.

It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1% of all the vaccine injuries.

This 1% is more than all the previous vaccines combined that individually were pulled.


Yet..”SWINE FLU PROGRAM IS HALTED IN 9 STATES AS 3 DIE AFTER SHOTS”

https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/13/a...ter-shots.html

Eliminating the control group & “losing” the data we are now faced with people dying in a manner that has never been seen before with previous vaccines. Read the reports. There are gazillions that say double vaxxed, admitted months later for covid infection and died.


Take a look at the separate data base..2.3+ million Adverse Reactions & counting have already been reported and recorded by the WHO

http://vigiaccess.org


“Safe & effective”
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Originally Posted By Paul
The ended the placebo group after 3 months..I don’t think you seem to understand that we are now in a situation where we will never have that medium or long term data.

As of 10/22

Number of Adverse Reactions.......818,044
Number of Life Threating Events...18,924
Number of Hospitalizations...........83,412
Number of Deaths.......................17,128
Permanent # of Disabilities after vaxx..26,199

The list goes on & on..

https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/10/2...gh-10-15-2021/

VAERS stands for the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. It is directly related to the jabs.

It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1% of all the vaccine injuries.

This 1% is more than all the previous vaccines combined that individually were pulled.


Yet..”SWINE FLU PROGRAM IS HALTED IN 9 STATES AS 3 DIE AFTER SHOTS”

https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/13/a...ter-shots.html

Eliminating the control group & “losing” the data we are now faced with people dying in a manner that has never been seen before with previous vaccines. Read the reports. There are gazillions that say double vaxxed, admitted months later for covid infection and died.


Take a look at the separate data base..2.3+ million Adverse Reactions & counting have already been reported and recorded by the WHO

http://vigiaccess.org


“Safe & effective”
Which vaccines have had long term effects assessed as a requirement before approval?

Long term effects (however that may be defined) is not typically an endpoint in vaccine trials.

In other words, which vaccines have passed the bar you have set for covid vaccines?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
It looks like they've been working on it for at least 20 years. That seems to contradict the arguments above.
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October 9, 2007, Ralph Baric patents US 7279327B2: Methods for Producing Recombinant Coronavirus. The assignee was The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, NC (US). This patented coronavirus target initially was pigs, but the aim of the work was to create a helper cell for producing an infectious, replication defective, coronavirus.
Methods for Producing Recombinant Coronavirus:https://patentimages.storage.googlea.../US7279327.pdf

October 9, 2012, Dr. Anthony Fauci publishes a paper in which he states:
"Putting aside the specter of bioterrorism for the moment, consider this hypothetical scenario: an important gain-of-function experiment involving a virus with serious pandemic potential is performed in a well-regulated, world-class laboratory by experienced investigators, but the information from the experiment is then used by another scientist who does not have the same training and facilities and is not subject to the same regulations. In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario—however remote—should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?
Scientists working in this field might say—as indeed I have said—that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks."
Research on Highly Pathogenic H5N1 Influenza Virus: The Way Forward:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3484390/

On May 27th, 2014, a grant from the NIH (NIAID), directed by Tony Fauci, was awarded to ECOHEALTH ALLIANCE, INC., headed by Project Leader and President Peter Daszak. ECOHEALTH ALLIANCE, INC. partnered with the Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan, China where they carried out their study. The grant was called Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence. It's public health relevance statement is as follows: "Most emerging human viruses come from wildlife, and these represent a significant threat to global public health and biosecurity - as demonstrated by the SARS coronavirus pandemic of 2002-03 and an ongoing SARS-like epidemic in the Middle East. This project seeks to understand what factors allow animal Coronaviruses to evolve and jump into the human population by studying virus diversity in a critical group of animals (bats), a sites of high risk for emergence (wildlife markets) in an emerging disease hotspot (China)."
Of its three goals, its third goal was to: "Test predictions of CoV inter-species transmission. Predictive models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) will be tested experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments across a range of cell cultures from different species and humanized mice."
For six years, ECOHEALTH ALLIANCE, INC., continued to receive yearly payments totaling around $3.75m towards their Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence grant.
In 2019, the grant aims changed to: "This project seeks to understand what factors allow coronaviruses, including close relatives to SARS, to evolve and jump into the human population by studying viral diversity in their animal reservoirs (bats), surveying people that live in high-risk communities in China for evidence of bat-coronavirus infection, and conducting laboratory experiments to analyze and predict which newly-discovered viruses pose the greatest threat to human health."
[If you follow the link and scroll down to History, you can see the yearly grant rewards.]
NIH Grant Reporter Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence:https://reporter.nih.gov/search/-bvP...etails/8674931
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Which vaccines have had long term effects assessed as a requirement before approval?

Long term effects (however that may be defined) is not typically an endpoint in vaccine trials.

In other words, which vaccines have passed the bar you have set for covid vaccines?
I didn’t set the bar, I gave you information on how long vaccine trials take.
15 yrs later & vaccines for smallpox were still having issues

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1069029/

It took almost a year to analyze the results and determine whether the vaccine provided protection against polio...yet we now have Faucci already saying that the Cocid vaccines are losing effectiveness.
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Originally Posted By nothingshocking
I mean they said this back when the vaccines were first released, but if you want to get upset about it now, go right ahead.
who the **** said this? Fauci didnt, the biden admin didnt, almost no democract didnt, everyone else who said these vaccines are garbage and should not be being pushed did, but thats the point.

The point is for this whole year people have been saying this but the Biden admin and Fauci have been saying that is misinformation and borderline terrorism.

So I strongly disagree with you.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Work on the technology and SARS-CoV-* vaccines began more than a decade ago.




The phase 3 trial for pfizer-biontech had 43,548 participants: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04713553
added (-) to your reputation, go read why. Stop acting like you are intelligent you moron.
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Originally Posted By Paul
I didn’t set the bar, I gave you information on how long vaccine trials take.
15 yrs later & vaccines for smallpox were still having issues

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1069029/

It took almost a year to analyze the results and determine whether the vaccine provided protection against polio...yet we now have Faucci already saying that the Cocid vaccines are losing effectiveness.
Was it 15 years from application to approval for smallpox? How long was the clinical trial for the polio vaccines? 5, 10, 15 years? Did they identify long term effects as an endpoint to be met before approval?
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah
added (-) to your reputation, go read why. Stop acting like you are intelligent you moron.
Negs are expected. Many thanks - repped.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Was it 15 years from application to approval for smallpox? How long was the clinical trial for the polio vaccines? 5, 10, 15 years? Did they identify long term effects as an endpoint to be met before approval?
Smallpox:looks like early testing started in 1727 & went to the public in 1800..so about 73 yrs

Early polio vaccine projects (1935)

Testing and licensing of Sabin polio vaccine (1959-1963)

So about 28 yrs..
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Originally Posted By Paul
Smallpox:looks like early testing started in 1727 & went to the public in 1800..so about 73 yrs
I dunno

"Edward Jenner is considered the founder of vaccinology in the West in 1796, after he inoculated a 13 year-old-boy with vaccinia virus (cowpox), and demonstrated immunity to smallpox. In 1798, the first smallpox vaccine was developed."

https://www.immune.org.nz/vaccines/v...ry-vaccination

Are you skipping the polio vaccine phase 3 clinical trial?
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Oh look, CT Paul still spewing anti-vax garbage. Shocker.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
I dunno

"Edward Jenner is considered the founder of vaccinology in the West in 1796, after he inoculated a 13 year-old-boy with vaccinia virus (cowpox), and demonstrated immunity to smallpox. In 1798, the first smallpox vaccine was developed."

https://www.immune.org.nz/vaccines/v...ry-vaccination

Are you skipping the polio vaccine phase 3 clinical trial?
Nope..https://flo.health/health-articles/d...accine-history

For four years, researcher Albert Sabin partnered with health officials from the Soviet Union to produce a more affordable alternative. More than 10 million children received his oral polio vaccine (OPV) during this period.

Studies showed that Sabin’s version triggered a faster immune response and was easier to administer than Salk’s vaccine. Both Salk’s injectable vaccine and Sabin’s oral vaccine stopped the spread of all strains of the poliovirus through the bloodstream.

Ultimately, the U.S. Surgeon General recommended licensing of Sabin’s OPV, which combined vaccinations against all three types of polio in 1963.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
The covid vaccine induce both humoral and cell-mediated immunity.
No it doesn't. It 'boosts' immunity.
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Originally Posted By NYPat
Oh look, CT Paul still spewing anti-vax garbage. Shocker.
Please quote anything I’ve been wrong about..
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Originally Posted By Paul
Please quote anything I’ve been wrong about..
It's been done many, many times. Probably why you switched from the R&P to the Misc.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Nope..https://flo.health/health-articles/d...accine-history

For four years, researcher Albert Sabin partnered with health officials from the Soviet Union to produce a more affordable alternative. More than 10 million children received his oral polio vaccine (OPV) during this period.

Studies showed that Sabin’s version triggered a faster immune response and was easier to administer than Salk’s vaccine. Both Salk’s injectable vaccine and Sabin’s oral vaccine stopped the spread of all strains of the poliovirus through the bloodstream.

Ultimately, the U.S. Surgeon General recommended licensing of Sabin’s OPV, which combined vaccinations against all three types of polio in 1963.
More affordable alternative to what?
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Originally Posted By NYPat
It's been done many, many times. Probably why you switched from the R&P to the Misc.
Lol, Pat, I’ve schooled you on everything Covid. From masks, to lockdowns, to alternate treatments, to the vaccines. You have been wrong about everything, you’re a loser, you always will be.
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how are people still defending the covid vaccine? your lord and savior has said its ineffective.
Are you that hungry for your own virtuous cum?
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Originally Posted By Paul
Lol, Pat, I’ve schooled you on everything Covid. From masks, to lockdowns, to alternate treatments, to the vaccines. You have been wrong about everything, you’re a loser, you always will be.
NYPat looks like a pussy going around and negging people who are anti covid vax, flaming *******
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Originally Posted By p100
No it doesn't. It 'boosts' immunity.
How can they "boost" something that isn't there?

Humoral - antibody development
Cell-mediated - T-cell development

People ITT are upset that immunity (antibody levels) wane (decrease) over time. How can there be a decrease in something that doesn't exist?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
More affordable alternative to what?
I see you haven’t done your history..the alternative to the one that was suspended..

“Vaccination programs suspended (1955)

When the U.S. Surgeon General questioned the safety of the trial vaccine, all polio vaccination programs were brought to a halt. An investigation revealed that it was responsible for 11 deaths, and hundreds of cases of paralysis. Apparently, some of the vaccines may not have been produced according to Salk’s methods and still contained active type 1 poliovirus.”

You know..that whole “long-term data”
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Originally Posted By Paul
I see you haven’t done your history..the alternative to the one that was suspended..

“Vaccination programs suspended (1955)

When the U.S. Surgeon General questioned the safety of the trial vaccine, all polio vaccination programs were brought to a halt. An investigation revealed that it was responsible for 11 deaths, and hundreds of cases of paralysis. Apparently, some of the vaccines may not have been produced according to Salk’s methods and still contained active type 1 poliovirus.”
I have done enough to know that the period from IND to approval isn't 20 years. Especially for non-live vaccines.


1952 - The worst recorded polio epidemic in U.S. history occurred with 57,628 reported cases

Apr 12, 1955 - The first polio vaccine was licensed -- an inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) pioneered by Dr. Jonas Salk.

https://www.immunize.org/timeline/
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They worked extremely well. Imagine being this fuking brainwashed and gullible. My god you’re a fuking moron I’d literally laugh in your face if we were in real life.


Look up the death rate for vaccinated vs non-vaccinated…
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Originally Posted By moosik85
Where is EOD we need another timeline shift
EOD managed to find the backdoor to the simulation.


He made it out.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
I have done enough to know that the period from IND to approval isn't 20 years. Especially for non-live vaccines.
Certainly wasn’t 3 months either thou..now was it?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
How can they "boost" something that isn't there?

Humoral - antibody development
Cell-mediated - T-cell development

People ITT are upset that immunity (antibody levels) wane (decrease) over time. How can there be a decrease in something that doesn't exist?
It 'boosts' the immune system, not immunity, I miss spoke (miss typed)

The only thing it does it help prevent serious side effects in the high risk community.

It does not stop transmission, it does no prevent reinfection, it does not last longer than 6 months. The covid shots only help the body recognize sooner that there is a similar infection to the one given in the covid shots, so it has a head start on the infection.

Every other vaccine almost completely prevents transmission and reinfection unless a person is extremely immunocompromised on their deathbed. Other vaccines also provide antibodies specific to that disease. For example polio, whooping cough, tetanus, rabies, smallpox, even the flu when the correct vaccine is guessed that year.

Covid shots provide a 'primer' or an 'immune boost'. It does not provide immunity.
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Originally Posted By p100
It 'boosts' the immune system, not immunity, I miss spoke (miss typed)

The only thing it does it help prevent serious side effects in the high risk community.

It does not stop transmission, it does no prevent reinfection, it does not last longer than 6 months. The covid shots only help the body recognize sooner that there is a similar infection to the one given in the covid shots, so it has a head start on the infection.

Every other vaccine almost completely prevents transmission and reinfection unless a person is extremely immunocompromised on their deathbed. Other vaccines also provide antibodies specific to that disease. For example polio, whooping cough, tetanus, rabies, smallpox, even the flu when the correct vaccine is guessed that year.

Covid shots provide a 'primer' or an 'immune boost'. It does not provide immunity.
Nah. Vaccination leads to development of antibodies specific to the spike protein.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Lol, Pat, I’ve schooled you on everything Covid. From masks, to lockdowns, to alternate treatments, to the vaccines. You have been wrong about everything, you’re a loser, you always will be.
Lmao more CT fiction. Do we really need to bump all the threads you got wrecked in?...
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Originally Posted By NYPat
Lmao more CT fiction. Do we really need to bump all the threads you got wrecked in?...
We can start with the Ivermectin thread in which you got fukin destroyed..lol

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...0340343&page=1
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