So the thing is I'm mostly content in life other than being an incel. So when you say " go out and do all this stuff to be more impressive to women", I don't care about any of the things you're saying. The only reason I would do any of that bs is for used up puzzy and don't really think that makes sense.

I was a great soccer player for my entire life and it never made a difference. I loved soccer. Played in high school college and then played in some leagues as an adult, pick up etc.

No woman has ever given a chit about that. Never pulled any chick just because I'm a relatively good soccer player.

The things I like to do are not relevant whatsoever to women or dating.

Dawg, I know Messi is slightly taller than you, but he's by no means known for being intimidating physically, yet could have just about any woman in the world and is married to an absolute dime. Women would absolutely be down for a "great" soccer player and that's certainly a standout trait. Also, you need to define "great". Are you "great" as in Varsity member all 4 years or were you CAPTAIN of the varsity team for starters?

Remember, being 70th percentile or so isn't good enough anymore. You need to be at least top 20% in most aspects of your life to stand out as a guy. Since you're starting off at a lower base with height/looks (I'm in a similar boat), it's closer to 90th percentile. Yeah, it sucks, but that's life for everyone nowadays. Look at the other brah who is tall and still says it's hard. It's tough for everyone and every guy who isn't genetically blessed (the vast majority of guys) has to deal with this game nowadays.

And its weird that you guys say this stuff as if its just ok. "bro just be among the top 5% in the world at something and be famous or die alone". thats a big problem, most men will not make it and will be alone.

You need to be in the top 20% of looks and thats enough. Tyrone with no job no car no nothing gets women.

I'm in the top 20% of income, thaty's pretty much it. Besides that I'm just a regular guy. I'm never going to be famous or in the top 1% elite of anything. If thats the standard, may as well rope now.

And its weird that you guys say this stuff as if its just ok. "bro just be among the top 5% in the world at something and be famous or die alone". thats a big problem, most men will not make it and will be alone.

Its still going because people are commenting just like you.

This thread was supposed to be about the article I posted in the op. But as usual almost everyone just started spewing useless garbage advice and getting mad when I told them why it was useless. Which ironically is what the article was about

I read the article

Bunch of Fuking whining about how life sucks for incels because women don’t like Short ugly autists. There’s no discussion society needs to have to change that. Sucks to suck. Change what you can and see if it helps. If it doesn’t, get comfortable being alone and stfu



No it isn’t important. You don’t need your hands held as some sort of special interest class that world collectively takes pity on. If you’ve tried everything suggested and you failed, then it’s over. Enjoying the love of a woman isn’t something you get to experience. The end.

No one can be this much of an intentional-incel.

Bigballsmcgee, quit this elaborate troll and reveal yourself as the 6'8" Scandinavian adonis that you actually are.

I have seen BBM. I also see guys IRL on that attractiveness level with wives and families.

Their wife isn’t usually attractive, of course, but that’s how the world works. In fact, the world historically has been cruel with 1/2 men on avg (or less) never mating.

BBM mindset is toxic too. The mindset that any woman that would want to be with him is merely settling begrudgingly in her mind.

I have seen BBM.

This is where I think you're phucking up big time. Your mentality shouldn't be, "aww phuck, I have to do all this just to get laid". Your mentality should be, "I'm trying to be the best at what I enjoy doing anyway and a woman who is worthwhile will recognize my talent and want to join me for the ride".

I doubt Kevin Hart, who is probably similar height as you and black as well, said, "aww ****, I have to be a world famous comedian just to get laid". He probably had a passion for comedy/acting, strived to be the best he could at it, somehow despite being unfunny as phuck hit it big and now probably can date plenty of women who are taller than him by virtue of having status.

Obviously, it's not reasonable for me to say, "just go be Kevin Hart and everything will be k" but you can still be a solid comedian in your town/your local venue, for example, with some hard work. Even those guys get women, despite some of them being butt ugly, because, again, women are attracted to status more than just looks. Apply that same analogy to whatever you enjoy doing, irrespective of pussy, and that's seriously how you should be approaching life.

The common theme I'm showing is that guys have to STAND OUT or HAVE STATUS to have a good dating/sex life nowadays. The bar for standing out has definitely increased, but again, unless your goal is peak status women, it's not THAT hard to stand out either with work. Genetics alone aren't an excuse for what most people need to achieve to have a reasonably happy life in most dimensions. You don't need to be Kevin Hart to get your run-of-the-mill cute girl.



It does suck, but unfortunately, your option is to pretty much do what I said or opt out of the game/stop chasing women. That's the game the world plays now - adapt or figuratively die. Period. I don't like being 5'7 either and that being a deal breaker for many women, but that doesn't mean I stop living my life or give up on women, assuming I want a serious relationship, either. I don't have good genes in any respect, but I'm still doing really phucking well in life (top 5-7% income, top 3% wealth for my age group, stronger & more athletic than most, etc.) because I work really phucking hard, don't give up, and am also humble enough to understand where my limitations are and have made peace with them.

Yeah dude, it's theoretically unfair that some dudes are born with height & good looks. One of my friends is a 6'1 and a quintessentially good ol' southern boy who'd get wrecked by my short azz in a fight or in the gym. Despite the fact that I eat well, lift 5-6x times a week, do cardio, avoid alcohol, etc., he'll ALWAYS pull more women than me just because he has good genes without putting any effort. You can't be bitter about this and just have to accept that you were dealt a 2-7 off suite while others have a pocket rocket. The odds are stacked a bit against you, but you can still potentially win the game with some clever maneuvering and a bit of luck. Either accept that this is what you must do, or opt out. Whining about it won't do anything, unless you literally dedicate your life toward lobbying the Government to ban social media/OLD.

Bro can you PM me? I’ve been talking to this Kent for eons and I still haven’t seen him.

Ok and what happens when large percentages of men are alone, women don't have husbands and stable fathers for their kids.

Dude no..I sent people pics privately in confidence

Opie, I actually think you make SOME relevant points about modern day dating dynamics, the state of the world, women’s standards, and so forth...

The PROBLEM - and why I think everyone gets on your case - is that you don’t discuss them in an impartial or reasoned manner. There’s this faint (and sometimes strong) bitter, incel, redpill, victim mentality aura that permeates everything you say, AND THAT is why people take issue with what you’re saying.

I read a lot of the responses you get and what folk mostly respond to is the butthurt vibe you put out. So, if you delivered your talking points in a less butthurt fashion, people would probably meet you half way.

Ease up on the redpill chit too, because that gets everyone’s back up. I can assure you every fuker on the misc knows how significant a factor looks are, but there’s a difference between saying something like “looks are a significant factor” and “looks are everything”, the latter being redpill dogma.

Send it then *******.

You owe me that much at this point.

OP is correct.

I’ve been on dozens upon dozens of dates in clown world. Sometimes punching above my weight, but most of the time dating girls who are my looksmatch.

I’n 6’1-6’2, pretty jacked, have clear skin, financially secure and I guess an average personality. And let me tell you - I’m not getting enough success that it’s worth the effort. I can go months without even kissing a girl despite going on dates every week.

I know plenty of guys in their 20s who have literally never even kissed a girl, let alone had girlfriends or sex. These are average looking guys with jobs and healthy social circles. It used to be almost unheard of, but now it seems to be common thanks to womens’ ever increasing standards and ever shortening attention spans. Heck even when things seem to be going well with a girl she will tend to monkeybranch. Between that and trying to keep her interested…..Dating in clown world just doesn’t seem worth it anymore

Then women will adjust their perspective if they want to be with someone. The kid issue is irrelevant. You aren’t fathering children so nothing to worry about



And? Society has always had poor losers. What does this change?



It is what it is. It’s unfortunate, but it’s not societies responsibility to make you feel better, or create a new environment where women will accept you.

Just lol at the delusion. Society has not always had this many men dying alone, never getting married or anything.

But go on, keep dismissing it. Don't get mad when Society collapses because men won't work

Just lol at the delusion. Society has not always had this many men dying alone, never getting married or anything.

But go on, keep dismissing it. Don't get mad when Society collapses because men won't work

Dude they told you that I look exactly as I've said. I'm a meh looking african

incels should be shipped off to an island somewhere with no internet access

This makes me lol every time. I've been STEMcelling my entire fukking life and it doesn't "just happen along the way" mayne. If you don't meet any women while doing your thing, or "doing you" results in achievements or status they don't see as valuable (BRB world's #1 stamp collector), it doesn't fukking matter.

"Women will come along for the ride" is a redpill nugget meant to help you avoid coming off as desperate, but it's been kind of scaled out to an entire life-plan and that's way beyond its original intent. Fact is that you've got to cater towards sloots.

It's like a startup business saying "I don't need to market. I'm just going to build a good product, and if consumers like it, they'll come along for the ride." NOPE. Your customers have to know that your product exists, and it has to appeal to them in some way.

this **** is giving me access denied bull****


edit: all right


If OP is really an average looking/ugly midget, i dont see any confidence/attitude advice working for him, that ship has sailed. His mentality is the result of a lifetime of rejections, or not even getting the chance to get rejected because his chances of open to approach women must be extremely slim. Probably dont ever make eye contact with him.


I can only imagine how that feels. 10 years ago, when monogamy was still the thing, maybe OP would have had a chance, but right now? Man i wouldnt bet on it, not even after multiple sessions of therapy with the best fukin psychologist in the world. At best i could see him getting an acceptable looking woman, at best. Just saying that for the guys on their 30's saying that they have midget friends with wives. 1) we dont know their marriage dynamics and 2) that was before social media.



My advice to OP would be to get even richer, top 20% wont cut it. Achieve top 5% and just get a hot gold digger, thats the sad reality. Less time on this thread OP, more time making bank.