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post 1651461003 11-24-2021, 11:27 PM
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What state is this? makes how interesting this case is gonna be.. cause if he told you to get off his property and you don't and get confrontational. Your looking for trouble and if you have joint custody going to your baby moms house and starting a scene is not gonna look good in any court.. should went when problems started went back to his car and call the cops
Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
Dude was getting his child of whom he has legal custody as of 3:15pm. Dude and ex-wife are holding child from legal guardian. I don't think this ends as well as you think for the guy with the gun.


Still the biological dad is an idiot for trying to take the gun.
heard them say he wasn't there.. but yeah once he came out with the gun he should of backed off.
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Hopefully the son is old enough to realize that his dad was killed by his chit-level step dad, he should then proceed to shoot him, point blank in the head
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i think the guy was stupid for ever going and getting the gun. i mean using the same logic the bio dad could have called the cops they could have done the same with him on the property. if the dad showed a weapon, i'd agree with getting the gun

i guess i agree with him shooting him. because he was trying to get the gun. now, maybe he was just trying to take it away but imo you can't risk he grabs it and then shoots you. but again, guy was dumb for ever getting a gun involved

does the bio dad have a right to be there even if was his kid? there are prob different property and divorce laws. though it kinda sounded like they didn't have a split agreement, prob just word of mouth based on what the bio dad said about taking them to court

so does he have a right to be on the property? prob not. does he have the right to custody of his kids? probably. im guessing they'd say the solution is for the bio dad to call somebody

were they hiding the kid?

i think the guy that got the gun should be punished cause its not like a random on the property, and he wanted his kid. but id give him a lesser one cause dude shouldn't have been trying to grab his gun. my take

it could even be that's the bio dads property lol. i don't think it is but just saying
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Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
i think the guy was stupid for ever going and getting the gun. i mean using the same logic the bio dad could have called the cops they could have done the same with him on the property. if the dad showed a weapon, i'd agree with getting the gun

i guess i agree with him shooting him. because he was trying to get the gun. now, maybe he was just trying to take it away but imo you can't risk he grabs it and then shoots you. but again, guy was dumb for ever getting a gun involved

does the bio dad have a right to be there even if was his kid? there are prob different property and divorce laws. though it kinda sounded like they didn't have a split agreement, prob just word of mouth based on what the bio dad said about taking them to court

so does he have a right to be on the property? prob not. does he have the right to custody of his kids? probably. im guessing they'd say the solution is for the bio dad to call somebody

were they hiding the kid?

i think the guy that got the gun should be punished cause its not like a random on the property, and he wanted his kid. but id give him a lesser one cause dude shouldn't have been trying to grab his gun. my take

it could even be that's the bio dads property lol. i don't think it is but just saying
Once people truly realize what escalation means, that's when we see less violence. But many don't really understand it's true meaning. The dad's death didn't have to be if the shooter didn't get the gun.

FOR FK SAKE, HE WAS TRYING TO GET HIS SON AND YOU SHOOT HIM? WHERE"S THE LOGIC?

And by the aesthetics of that shotgun, I'm willing to bet he was wishing a ninja wood all this time.
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post 1651462313 11-25-2021, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
Once people truly realize what escalation means, that's when we see less violence. But many don't really understand it's true meaning. The dad's death didn't have to be if the shooter didn't get the gun.

FOR FK SAKE, HE WAS TRYING TO GET HIS SON AND YOU SHOOT HIM? WHERE"S THE LOGIC?

And by the aesthetics of that shotgun, I'm willing to bet he was wishing a ninja wood all this time.
it's pretty interesting. at least the details i just made up. maybe my details are wrong

could come down to property vs. custody laws

is he allowed to be on the property? prob not

is he allowed to be on the property if they are physically hiding his kid on the property?

if somebody kidnapped your son are you allowed to go on their property to get them back? or do you have to contact law enforcement to get a warrant to search the property?
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What is it with white people snd ****ing violence? Kyle Rittenhouse goes on a murder spree, a mob of white people attack Darrell Brooks trying to flee from police trying to kill him, and now this

All in the same week


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Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
it's pretty interesting. at least the details i just made up. maybe my details are wrong

could come down to property vs. custody laws

is he allowed to be on the property? prob not

is he allowed to be on the property if they are physically hiding his kid on the property?

if somebody kidnapped your son are you allowed to go on their property to get them back? or do you have to contact law enforcement to get a warrant to search the property?
forget all of that.

Its a dad trying to see his son. You dont kill someone for that.
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what a ****ing psycho

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What a fooking poosy soy boy. Not smart that he threatened to take it and kill him with it then proceed to try to take it. Guy is a massive poosy for getting involved in the dispute between mother and father.
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Originally Posted By Rattelsnake⏩
Yep, got that. Also, another key note is in TX law permitting brandishing to protect (with no time frame specified). Whereas here in AZ, we can't brandish until after there is immediate threat of unlawful physical force or deadly physical force.

So, here, he could still be accused of some lesser charge for "provocation". Whereas TX apparently has the most liberal and best use of force laws I've seen all-around so far. Too bad that's not all states!

Still messed up situation though. I personally would not have brandished,I would have just given him the kid as previously agreed upon and avoided escalating. The less drama, the better.
I'm not an AZ resident (Just put an offer in on a vacation place there though...), but I'm not so sure if the 'we cant brandish' part applies to your own dwelling/house? I'm not sure on the state castle law or lack thereof, but I do know you should be able to arm yourself in whatever form you want within your own house. I'm not sure if provocation would be able to be charged if you had picked up your gun/pulled it within your own house? Pointing it at someone? Sure, but just having it on you shouldn't fall udner provocation WITHIN your own house especially when you have a person on your property refusing to leave and seemingly upset.

Agreed on that second part.
Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
Dude was getting his child of whom he has legal custody as of 3:15pm. Dude and ex-wife are holding child from legal guardian. I don't think this ends as well as you think for the guy with the gun.


Still the biological dad is an idiot for trying to take the gun.
Lmao, you think ANY of that has ANYTHING to do or means ANYTHING with regards to this dude refusing to leave property when asked, then proceeding to charge a guy with a gun? Then attempt to take the gun after threatening to take it and use it?


Him getting his kid, attempting to get the kid, none of that matters. None.
Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
it's pretty interesting. at least the details i just made up. maybe my details are wrong

could come down to property vs. custody laws

is he allowed to be on the property? prob not

is he allowed to be on the property if they are physically hiding his kid on the property?

if somebody kidnapped your son are you allowed to go on their property to get them back? or do you have to contact law enforcement to get a warrant to search the property?
Where are you guys getting this nonsense? Holy ****.

Doesn't matter if they had the kid there and were "hiding him". The dude said the kid wasn't there and he didn't know where he is. The guy apparently had no clue where his kid was, so he has nothing to say the kid is there.

EVEN IF the kid is there, in custody disputes, it always goes to the police, who then tell them to go to the courts and police usually wont do **** w/o a court order. So no, he had no right to do ****. Also no its not 'kidnapping' if the mother didn't return the kid at the specified time to the other parent. It's her breaking the custody agreement which he should then take to the courts.
Originally Posted By TheTwilightZone⏩
This is a tough one. The father did have a legal right to be on that property - He was there to pick up his son.

It's not like it's a stranger burglarizing a house.

The man had a legal right to be there.
Not how the law works. You have no legal right to be there once the legal owner asks and then tells you to leave. Doesn't matter what business you think you may have on the property. When the guy told him to leave, he should have, then called the police explained the situation and they probably would have shown up asked the couple wtf is up and that hes here to get his kid and figured out what was up. If she said she wasn't giving him back they'd have told the dad to go to the courts.
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Originally Posted By TheTwilightZone⏩
I don't think this is a good shooting. And I'm someone who is pro-2A and pro-self defense.

The father had a legal right to be on the property. He's there to pick up his son.

Someone producing a gun and ordering him to leave is a massive escalation. That should only be done if the father acted in a threatening manner while on the property.
Doesn't matter if you think it is a good shooting, or if you're pro-2a / pro-self defense.

Fact is the law is on his side on this one. I think he is an idiot. I think he was wrong for his actions.

Does change what he did was completely legal.

The dad did not have a "legal right" to be on anybodys property after being asked multiple times to leave, and then being told to leave. Again this is in Texas, you can brandish a firearm on your own property all you want.
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Originally Posted By TheTwilightZone⏩
I don't think this is a good shooting. And I'm someone who is pro-2A and pro-self defense.

The father had a legal right to be on the property. He's there to pick up his son.

Someone producing a gun and ordering him to leave is a massive escalation. That should only be done if the father acted in a threatening manner while on the property.
that little kid is going to grow up to plot a murder against the shooter when he sees the video.

Karma always get it's dues, just look at whats happening the US for stealing a bunch of land.
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so brah is laying down dead spilling his brains out and nobody gives a sht, plus his bish is like "OH my god so YOU DID IT"

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Originally Posted By ooph⏩
Doesn't matter if you think it is a good shooting, or if you're pro-2a / pro-self defense.

Fact is the law is on his side on this one. I think he is an idiot. I think he was wrong for his actions.

Does change what he did was completely legal.

The dad did not have a "legal right" to be on anybodys property after being asked multiple times to leave, and then being told to leave. Again this is in Texas, you can brandish a firearm on your own property all you want.
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think this was a good shooting.

The father had a legal right to be on the property. I don't think it's a good standard to allow someone to produce a firearm in a custody disagreement and order the other person to leave.

I could see it being reasonable if the father acted threatening or had gone inside the house. But this... was like surreal chit. It's weird how everyone talked calmly in the video after a man had been shot and killed. It almost doesn't seem real.
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Originally Posted By TheTwilightZone⏩
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think this was a good shooting.

The father had a legal right to be on the property. I don't think it's a good standard to allow someone to produce a firearm in a custody disagreement and order the other person to leave.

I could see it being reasonable if the father acted threatening or had gone inside the house. But this... was like surreal chit. It's weird how everyone talked calmly in the video after a man had been shot and killed. It almost doesn't seem real.
No one freaked out because the shooter killed the guy "cleanly". It wasn't a freak accident. Hell, I don't think the guy is even arrested yet. Mass shootings over the past couple of years and nothing has changed about gun ownership.

All this really is, its a sacrafice to protect US gun laws. Americans know they need the guns to protect themselves from the upcoming civil war and shift in land ownership.
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Originally Posted By ooph⏩
Where are you guys getting this nonsense? Holy ****.

Doesn't matter if they had the kid there and were "hiding him". The dude said the kid wasn't there and he didn't know where he is. The guy apparently had no clue where his kid was, so he has nothing to say the kid is there.

EVEN IF the kid is there, in custody disputes, it always goes to the police, who then tell them to go to the courts and police usually wont do **** w/o a court order. So no, he had no right to do ****. Also no its not 'kidnapping' if the mother didn't return the kid at the specified time to the other parent. It's her breaking the custody agreement which he should then take to the courts.
i posed a hypothetical scenario. i said it might not be the details of the case. was legit asking a question within what i was saying

like i said.. if you know somebody kidnapped your son but its their property do you have to get off their property? that would mean someone has your property on their property correct?

what if somebody stole your stuff and they took it on their property?

now, i would imagine that the law says you can't be on their property but there may be little nuances.

you take issue with the hyperbolic "kidnapping" but i'm just trying to see if there's any way a defendant can get on their property; e.g. kidnapping or stolen items. i would think typically when a homeowner says "go away" they have grounds in their reasoning, well, what if the person has reason to be there

also, do we know for definitive fact that the property was indeed the guy who shot? or is that something that may come to light if they decide to pursue it civilly?

i also personally don't know the custody agreement
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
No one freaked out because the shooter killed the guy "cleanly". It wasn't a freak accident. Hell, I don't think the guy is even arrested yet. Mass shootings over the past couple of years and nothing has changed about gun ownership.

All this really is, its a sacrafice to protect US gun laws. Americans know they need the guns to protect themselves from the upcoming civil war and shift in land ownership.
idk how to explain the ex wife not freaking out. but im pretty sure the wife recording prob didn't want to get shot
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The comments are saying Texas.He’ll probably walk. This is fukd man, my dad was almost beat to death a few years ago over similar bull****. Can’t even imagine.
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She was videoing because she knew something was going to happen. Speaks volumes right there.
Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
idk how to explain the ex wife not freaking out. but im pretty sure the wife recording prob didn't want to get shot
Didn't even phase her, or shock her. That's the oddest part to me.
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ok, what i thought. so it looks like if he is the property owner he gets a lot of leeway. but i figured there was SOMETHING. saying he could be there. if it's that difficult for people to get their chit why wouldn't any landowner just go steal a bunch of chit and put it on their property? call the cops but what if they're *******s and ask for proof of ownership and whatever other loopholes that may involve it

looks like there's something called the "right to self-help". which gives him a little more leeway for being there

There is also something called the right of "Self-Help." For example, the repo men use "self-help" when they go to someone's house in the middle of the night to repossess a car that the buyer quit making payments on. So, theoretically, you can go to his house and retrieve your truck, as long as it does not involve breaking and entering, or damage to his land or property. However, you run the risk of a physical fight with him, being shot at, or him suing you for trespassing and damage that he will claim you caused to his land when you drive (or tow) your truck out of the woods.

but it sounds like property owner can still act the way they want to act. but i think that then gives more credence to the escalation of the confrontation.
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*Fat shame my cat on a daily basis crew*
post 1651466643 11-25-2021, 04:40 AM
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  1. freeburn
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No jury s going to side with this guy. There was never any reason to draw a weapon. Dudes ****ed.
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