Log In

Your email is not your username

Register

If you were a member of the old Bodybuilding.com forums and would like to reuse your previous username, you can request it below. We use your email only for registration and do not store it. For more information, please see our Privacy Policy.

Confirm your email

A registration code was sent to your email. Enter it here.

Welcome

You have successfully setup your account.

Sign in

Quick Navigation Bottom Misc
Forum » Calories in- calories out is crap
  1. Results 1 to 30 of 36
  2. Page 1 of 2
  3. 1
  4. 2
  6. Last

Thread: Calories in- calories out is crap

post 1652466723 12-13-2021, 11:03 AM
-
#1
  1. jtaylor2010
  1. jtaylor2010
  3. Join Date: Mar 2010
  4. Location: United States
  5. Posts: 33,186
  6. Rep Power: 441972

Calories in- calories out is crap

I mean, yeah technically it could be right if you’re just assuming the person is crapping out the extra calories. There are tons of things that can affect how efficient the body is at utilizing what you put in it. For example, I started TRT this year and in 6 months I’ve gained a little over 7 pounds despite eating less. And I’m at a weight(180) that I was unable to hit even when I stuffed my face nonstop and lifted most days of the week. So the only logical explanation if you adhere to CICO is that I was literally sh!tting out unused calories.



Moral of the story is that, yes, most people should focus on their diet first, but there are lots of other factors like hormone levels and digestive health that will drastically change how your body uses calories. So it isn’t really as simple as some like to try to make it.






NB4 “omg you’re riding a bike so you don’t count and the laws of physics don’t apply to you”
post 1652466873 12-13-2021, 11:05 AM
-
#2
  1. nickh04
  2. Registered User
  1. nickh04
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jun 2011
  4. Location: Sacramento, California, United States
  5. Posts: 25,770
  6. Rep Power: 211884
have you tried no pillow and taking a multi?
-MS Paint/Chop crew
-GIF crew
-Tradie crew
-No mask/vaccine crew


Neg on site for reddit and tiktok threads dedsrs
post 1652466953 12-13-2021, 11:06 AM
-
#3
  1. Workout4ever
  1. Workout4ever
  3. Join Date: Apr 2009
  4. Location: Miami, Florida, United States
  5. Age: 33
  6. Posts: 43,720
  7. Rep Power: 58689
post 1652467123 12-13-2021, 11:08 AM
-
#4
  1. Beararms
  2. Registered User
  1. Beararms
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jul 2011
  4. Location: Arizona, United States
  5. Age: 38
  6. Posts: 15,877
  7. Rep Power: 82739
Yea its called putting on size from your TRT.
post 1652467783 12-13-2021, 11:17 AM
-
#5
  1. jtaylor2010
  1. jtaylor2010
  3. Join Date: Mar 2010
  4. Location: United States
  5. Posts: 33,186
  6. Rep Power: 441972
Originally Posted By Beararms⏩
Yea its called putting on size from your TRT.
So how many calories are in 120 mg of test?
post 1652467863 12-13-2021, 11:19 AM
-
#6
  1. resoog
  2. Registered User
  1. resoog
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Dec 2007
  4. Posts: 13,338
  5. Rep Power: 95569
i'm hungry jt
(ʘᴗʘ✿)
post 1652467943 12-13-2021, 11:20 AM
-
#7
  1. sennas
  2. ￣
  1. sennas
  2. ￣
  3. Join Date: Apr 2007
  4. Age: 42
  5. Posts: 5,521
  6. Rep Power: 31383
So you started TRT and put on size, therefore CICO is crap and doesnt make sense. Got it. Maybe the next nobel prize winner?
post 1652467973 12-13-2021, 11:21 AM
-
#8
  1. Beararms
  2. Registered User
  1. Beararms
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jul 2011
  4. Location: Arizona, United States
  5. Age: 38
  6. Posts: 15,877
  7. Rep Power: 82739
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
So how many calories are in 120 mg of test?
about 350
post 1652469803 12-13-2021, 11:53 AM
-
#9
  1. jtaylor2010
  1. jtaylor2010
  3. Join Date: Mar 2010
  4. Location: United States
  5. Posts: 33,186
  6. Rep Power: 441972
Originally Posted By sennas⏩
So you started TRT and put on size, therefore CICO is crap and doesnt make sense. Got it. Maybe the next nobel prize winner?
Ate less calories and put on more weight, yes.
post 1652469953 12-13-2021, 11:56 AM
-
#10
  1. DustinTheHuss
  2. Banned
  1. DustinTheHuss
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: May 2019
  4. Posts: 27,697
  5. Rep Power: 0
Eating 200 calories of spinach has a different effect than 200 calories of candy because blood sugar also affects body fat storage.

But your example in the OP is thrown off because of your cell tech.
post 1652471593 12-13-2021, 12:27 PM
-
#11
  1. jtaylor2010
  1. jtaylor2010
  3. Join Date: Mar 2010
  4. Location: United States
  5. Posts: 33,186
  6. Rep Power: 441972
Originally Posted By DustinTheHuss⏩
Eating 200 calories of spinach has a different effect than 200 calories of candy because blood sugar also affects body fat storage.

But you’re example in the OP is thrown off because of your cell tech.
But again, how would test throw it off if there are no calories in it? Either CICO applies to everyone or it doesn't.
post 1652472083 12-13-2021, 12:34 PM
-
#12
  1. PenorBrahNoHomo
  2. R1b
  1. PenorBrahNoHomo
  2. R1b
  3. Join Date: Aug 2011
  4. Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain)
  5. Posts: 28,218
  6. Rep Power: 130149
It can work if you devote a large amount of energy to calculating your TDEE, or 'calories out', but you can never calculate it accurately. It's only necessary for the very top and bottom percentiles (i.e BB competitors and people who need to count so they stay under 2k cals and don't overeat)
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
But again, how would test throw it off if there are no calories in it? Either CICO applies to everyone or it doesn't.
Because it changed your TDEE. CICO applies to everyone but metabolism isn't consistent. Like you say there are a huge number of variables that can't be accurately accounted for.

e.g. eating seed oils will make you gain a lot more, or lose less weight than eating the equivalent calorie amount of coconut oil, because of energy metabolism, which is vastly more complicated than just insulin like the sloot said
post 1652472173 12-13-2021, 12:36 PM
-
#13
  1. Ravishing_Rick
  2. A Registered Mesomorph
  1. Ravishing_Rick
  2. A Registered Mesomorph
  3. Join Date: Oct 2008
  4. Posts: 115,847
  5. Rep Power: 279082
imagine needing trt
*۩*legendary misc status*۩*
No Sloot Can Hurt A Man With Options~ Ravishing_Rick
all my bishes foreign PSN Ravishing_Rick
*No Porn Crew*
onlyfans/ricosmoovey
post 1652472343 12-13-2021, 12:39 PM
-
#14
  1. seanb1979
  2. Platinum User
  1. seanb1979
  2. Platinum User
  3. Join Date: Dec 2006
  4. Location: Boise, Idaho, United States
  5. Posts: 48,650
  6. Rep Power: 150567
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
But again, how would test throw it off if there are no calories in it? Either CICO applies to everyone or it doesn't.
CICO only applies if all other factors are identical - which they rarely are.
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXGZu4yxjW0
post 1652473483 12-13-2021, 01:00 PM
-
#15
  1. sooby
  2. WOATbrah of peace :)
  1. sooby
  2. WOATbrah of peace :)
  3. Join Date: Feb 2015
  4. Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
  5. Posts: 43,319
  6. Rep Power: 219409
it only really helps to bring you at a certain baseline of muscle that you should be at if you had that amount of T naturally. You can still build muscle despite being on a calorie deficit. there is even research that people on dat dere creatine built muscle by not doing any physical activity but sitting on the couch. also, were you doing less activity doing those months? if you don't count that, then there's no way of really knowing how many calories were going in and out and whether or not you were consistent. It also ignores the fact that if you ate more, you probably would have gained more weight. 7 lbs in 6 months isn't a lot. Were you also tracking calories?
positivity brah crew
dont take my posts too srs crew srs
JFL @ everything crew
lol @ tradies srs crew
BIG LOL @ sky tradies srs crew (RealAesthetic)
indian crew
living in clown world crew so screw it crew
anti-degen crew
post 1652491233 12-13-2021, 06:31 PM
-
#16
  1. jtaylor2010
  1. jtaylor2010
  3. Join Date: Mar 2010
  4. Location: United States
  5. Posts: 33,186
  6. Rep Power: 441972
Originally Posted By sooby⏩
it only really helps to bring you at a certain baseline of muscle that you should be at if you had that amount of T naturally. You can still build muscle despite being on a calorie deficit. there is even research that people on dat dere creatine built muscle by not doing any physical activity but sitting on the couch. also, were you doing less activity doing those months? if you don't count that, then there's no way of really knowing how many calories were going in and out and whether or not you were consistent. It also ignores the fact that if you ate more, you probably would have gained more weight. 7 lbs in 6 months isn't a lot. Were you also tracking calories?
At the height of my attempt to gain weight I was stuffing my face all the time, to the point of being uncomfortable. I was tracking and hitting 4-5,000calories/day. Now most days I eat two meals/day and my total isn’t even close to 4,000. Yet despite that I have put on more weight(and good weight at that, not fat or substantial water). So where did all of my calories go before?
post 1652492083 12-13-2021, 06:51 PM
-
#17
  1. usersignup2
  2. Registered User
  1. usersignup2
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Nov 2012
  4. Posts: 8,246
  5. Rep Power: 20771
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
At the height of my attempt to gain weight I was stuffing my face all the time, to the point of being uncomfortable. I was tracking and hitting 4-5,000calories/day. Now most days I eat two meals/day and my total isn’t even close to 4,000. Yet despite that I have put on more weight(and good weight at that, not fat or substantial water). So where did all of my calories go before?
Stop your trt and see what happens to your weight. Theres your answer. Not rocket science. Your entire post here proves the point. Exogenous hormones is the reason.
post 1652492703 12-13-2021, 07:05 PM
-
#18
  1. jtaylor2010
  1. jtaylor2010
  3. Join Date: Mar 2010
  4. Location: United States
  5. Posts: 33,186
  6. Rep Power: 441972
Originally Posted By usersignup2⏩
Stop your trt and see what happens to your weight. Theres your answer. Not rocket science. Your entire post here proves the point. Exogenous hormones is the reason.
So what you’re saying is that it isn’t just calories in vs calories out….
post 1652492953 12-13-2021, 07:11 PM
-
#19
  1. Jestbrah
  2. Registered User
  1. Jestbrah
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Feb 2012
  4. Age: 37
  5. Posts: 28,748
  6. Rep Power: 170226
Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
It can work if you devote a large amount of energy to calculating your TDEE, or 'calories out', but you can never calculate it accurately. It's only necessary for the very top and bottom percentiles (i.e BB competitors and people who need to count so they stay under 2k cals and don't overeat)



Because it changed your TDEE. CICO applies to everyone but metabolism isn't consistent. Like you say there are a huge number of variables that can't be accurately accounted for.

e.g. eating seed oils will make you gain a lot more, or lose less weight than eating the equivalent calorie amount of coconut oil, because of energy metabolism, which is vastly more complicated than just insulin like the sloot said
what.......
no she was right
eating seed oils vs coconut oil will just effect your cholesterol and heart helath but from an energy perspective its indifference because fat is fat when it comes to energy, carbs are carbs when it comes to energy, and protein is protein. Like I said, from an energy perspective. Also from a physique perspective fat is pretty irrelevant and wont change how you look, but it is obviously stupid to get all your fats from poor sources because your cholesterol will be **** and your chance of a heart attack and other health issues will be increased.

Insulin is more complicated because insulin resistance will ruin your nutrient partitioning of ALL calories and make you store more fat from the calories you consume, eating 100g carbs of fruit will not have the same effect as eating 100g of carbs from broccoli and potatos or eating 100g carbs from table sugar.

CICO ONLY applies to the broad term WEIGHT, it has NOTHING to do with bf%

Macronutrient numbers will reflect body composition , more protein will be more lean mass, more fat will be more fat mass, more carbs will be more energy and possibly more fat mass if excess amounts are eaten

micronutrients will effect health and on a smaller scale bodycomposition but only indirectly because of health factors.
**worthless college major crew**

*Always picks 4 Crew*

**HTC**
post 1652493003 12-13-2021, 07:12 PM
-
#20
  1. RonaldMcflurry
  2. I woke up like dis
  1. RonaldMcflurry
  2. I woke up like dis
  3. Join Date: Jun 2016
  4. Posts: 14,495
  5. Rep Power: 80496
everybody wants it to be crap, but it is fact.
Nuggets of Wisdom
post 1652494403 12-13-2021, 07:39 PM
-
#21
  1. dcbone30
  2. Registered User
  1. dcbone30
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Mar 2012
  4. Age: 39
  5. Posts: 14,563
  6. Rep Power: 73108
"Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder, but nobody wants to lift no heavy-ass weights." - xxTUNAxx
post 1652510563 12-14-2021, 06:22 AM
-
#22
  1. jtaylor2010
  1. jtaylor2010
  3. Join Date: Mar 2010
  4. Location: United States
  5. Posts: 33,186
  6. Rep Power: 441972
Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
everybody wants it to be crap, but it is fact.
It’s fact, but at the same time plenty of people are crapping out unused or underutilized calories. Two different people can eat a meal and it’s possible they use the calories completely differently from one another.
post 1652510763 12-14-2021, 06:27 AM
-
#23
  1. twovalvekid
  2. N3rd Op3rator
  1. twovalvekid
  2. N3rd Op3rator
  3. Join Date: Sep 2013
  4. Location: Saratoga Springs, New York, United States
  5. Posts: 36,172
  6. Rep Power: 436322
ITT OP goes on the sauce and is shocked that he puts on weight even at a caloric deficit or his TDEE is off now.

Next at 11, Lincoln shot at ford's theater and water is actually wet.
MFC
Misc Cologne Crew | **BBC** | Aventus Friday Crew

RIP YGST
post 1652510843 12-14-2021, 06:29 AM
-
#24
  1. TokenV
  2. I ❤ TECHNO
  1. TokenV
  2. I ❤ TECHNO
  3. Join Date: Feb 2012
  4. Location: Belgium
  5. Posts: 41,404
  6. Rep Power: 442514
huge if true
++
post 1652510943 12-14-2021, 06:31 AM
-
#25
  1. EagleOfWar
  2. Registered User
  1. EagleOfWar
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Feb 2011
  4. Posts: 15,643
  5. Rep Power: 107090
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
But again, how would test throw it off if there are no calories in it? Either CICO applies to everyone or it doesn't.
You can’t be this dense bro. Think about it. You’re adding in a hormone that helps put on size. What little bit of less calories you’re eating doesn’t offset that.
This body holding me, be my reminder here that I am not alone.
Makes me feel eternal, all this Pain is an Illusion.
post 1652510953 12-14-2021, 06:31 AM
-
#26
  1. DustinTheHuss
  2. Banned
  1. DustinTheHuss
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: May 2019
  4. Posts: 27,697
  5. Rep Power: 0
Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
what.......
no she was right
eating seed oils vs coconut oil will just effect your cholesterol and heart helath but from an energy perspective its indifference because fat is fat when it comes to energy, carbs are carbs when it comes to energy, and protein is protein. Like I said, from an energy perspective. Also from a physique perspective fat is pretty irrelevant and wont change how you look, but it is obviously stupid to get all your fats from poor sources because your cholesterol will be **** and your chance of a heart attack and other health issues will be increased.

Insulin is more complicated because insulin resistance will ruin your nutrient partitioning of ALL calories and make you store more fat from the calories you consume, eating 100g carbs of fruit will not have the same effect as eating 100g of carbs from broccoli and potatos or eating 100g carbs from table sugar.

CICO ONLY applies to the broad term WEIGHT, it has NOTHING to do with bf%

Macronutrient numbers will reflect body composition , more protein will be more lean mass, more fat will be more fat mass, more carbs will be more energy and possibly more fat mass if excess amounts are eaten

micronutrients will effect health and on a smaller scale bodycomposition but only indirectly because of health factors.
This. Pro bodybuilders know how insulin works.
post 1652511103 12-14-2021, 06:35 AM
-
#27
  1. jtaylor2010
  1. jtaylor2010
  3. Join Date: Mar 2010
  4. Location: United States
  5. Posts: 33,186
  6. Rep Power: 441972
Originally Posted By EagleOfWar⏩
You can’t be this dense bro. Think about it. You’re adding in a hormone that helps put on size. What little bit of less calories you’re eating doesn’t offset that.
So where were all those calories going before then?
post 1652511163 12-14-2021, 06:37 AM
-
#28
  1. SSM12
  2. Registered User
  1. SSM12
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Aug 2013
  4. Posts: 19,743
  5. Rep Power: 238405
Body compositon 100x better when eating high protein low carb moderate fat than if I just ate the same calories of whatever.

Srs. Maybe for weightloss cals in cals out is legit, but ive been messing around with the macros and its just better overall when I am aware of what I am actually eating.

I don't think you have to be super meticulous, if you aren't competing, but I do think being cognizant of what you are putting into your body definitely makes things easier
Proof Angels exist: OzleyASMR

“Listen to your friend Billy Zane. He's a cool dude. He's trying to help you out.”
post 1652511433 12-14-2021, 06:43 AM
-
#29
  1. sooby
  2. WOATbrah of peace :)
  1. sooby
  2. WOATbrah of peace :)
  3. Join Date: Feb 2015
  4. Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
  5. Posts: 43,319
  6. Rep Power: 219409
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
At the height of my attempt to gain weight I was stuffing my face all the time, to the point of being uncomfortable. I was tracking and hitting 4-5,000calories/day. Now most days I eat two meals/day and my total isn’t even close to 4,000. Yet despite that I have put on more weight(and good weight at that, not fat or substantial water). So where did all of my calories go before?
well taking TRT if you were already low T will do that, still doesn't change the fact that energy balance still largely determines weight gain/weight loss. and that hormone levels can determine how that energy balance is partitioned. and doesn't change the fact that if you ate more, you probably would have gained even more weight. a lot of things can alter how much calories are burned and how they are used. the underlying principle is still CICO.
positivity brah crew
dont take my posts too srs crew srs
JFL @ everything crew
lol @ tradies srs crew
BIG LOL @ sky tradies srs crew (RealAesthetic)
indian crew
living in clown world crew so screw it crew
anti-degen crew
post 1652511483 12-14-2021, 06:45 AM
-
#30
  1. BearyManilowe
  1. BearyManilowe
  3. Join Date: Dec 2013
  4. Age: 36
  5. Posts: 15,222
  6. Rep Power: 130112
You guys are using simple CICO for weight gain?

I thought it was just a weight loss tool to help people have a baseline for losing weight. If you're only doing CICO, you plateau rather quickly it's not meant for long term gains/losses, it's more of a habit forming tool.
***Mariah Carey is my 10/10 Crew***
***Misc Dads Crew***
  1. Page 1 of 2
  2. 1
  3. 2
  5. Last
Quick Navigation Top Misc
Bookmarks
Digg.com
Digg
del.icio.us
del.icio.us
Stumbleupon.com
StumbleUpon
Google.com
Google
Facebook.com
Facebook
Posting Permissions
  1. You may not post new threads
  2. You may not post replies
  3. You may not post attachments
  4. You may not edit your posts