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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It's an interesting false dichotomy:

Trust Fauci's bullchit

Or

Trust Malone's bullchit

My opinion is that neither should be trusted.
Well you shouldn’t really process a claim as “something Fauci said” or “something Malone said”….you should simply evaluate the claim and see how much it seems to be accurate based on what we see happening in the world. Out of curiosity though, what things had Malone said that you think is bullsh!t? Don’t need a laundry list, maybe just 5 or so things that he claims which you consider bullsh!t?
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
True but the only way this changes if people stop consuming the msm and the big tech giants

But mostly the msm
You realize you're telling that to the biggest MSM/big pharma shill on these forums right? The very person who wholly supports any and all stripping of freedom for the illusion of safety?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Agreed.

But the strategy is to pit people against one another. When people are busy being angry at their neighbours, they don't notice what those in power are doing.

Social media censorship benefits both "sides"; outrage, vindication, and fuel for the fight simultaneously with a single move.

There's plenty of money to be made for skeptics as well as for pharma.
But a lot of anti-vaxxers and others who question the covid farce psychodrama notice exactly what those in power are doing
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
You realize you're telling that to the biggest MSM/big pharma shill on these forums right? The very person who wholly supports any and all stripping of freedom for the illusion of safety?
Yeah i've seen his shilling. I don't pay much attention to political threads though i just always see him in the COVID threads
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
You realize you're telling that to the biggest MSM/big pharma shill on these forums right? The very person who wholly supports any and all stripping of freedom for the illusion of safety?
How do you figure?

Where have I supported anything any governments are doing in response to covid?
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This is why people have been calling the left a cult the past few years. A political ideology that has become a cult.

I can't say exactly when the left transitioned from being a political ideology to a cult, but it started becoming apparent when Trump was elected and solidified itself after Covid.
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Originally Posted By JeepBruh⏩
This is why people have been calling the left a cult the past few years. A political ideology that has become a cult.

I can't say exactly when the left transitioned from being a political ideology to a cult, but it started becoming apparent when Trump was elected and solidified itself after Covid.
Are you suggesting "the right" is different?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Are you suggesting "the right" is different?
It's similar on both sides. Most people are brainwashed by propaganda and buzzwords on social media. For every SJW liberal there is a MAGA/Qanon/anti vax Trumper
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Are you suggesting "the right" is different?
Real world evidence strongly points to yes. The right infighting and lack of cohesion about issues versus the left falling in line with whatever MSM talking points or twitter says is a good example.

Look how many die hard Sanders completely fell in line with Biden and voted for him even after they proclaimed the primary was rigged. And then after Biden was "elected" proclaimed there is no such thing as voter fraud.
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
It's similar on both sides. Most people are brainwashed by propaganda and buzzwords on social media. For every SJW liberal there is a MAGA/Qanon/anti vax Trumper
The 24 hour rep limit is ridiculous. I'll getcha on recharge.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Are you suggesting "the right" is different?
Not different totally, I mean the whole cult of personality thing with Trump is very real. However, it is much more individualistic based and there are groups that are allowed to disagree with each other without being shut down.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The 24 hour rep limit is ridiculous. I'll getcha on recharge.
Out of curiosity, what things has Malone said that you think is bullsh!t? Don’t need a laundry list, maybe just 5 or so things that he claims which you consider bullsh!t?


When you say “they keep up fighting against each other so nobody is looking at them”, who are you referring to when you say “them”?
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Originally Posted By Soonerjohn⏩
Not different totally, I mean the whole cult of personality thing with Trump is very real. However, it is much more individualistic based and there are groups that are allowed to disagree with each other without being shut down.
The difference is that I see plenty of Trump people disagree with dumb **** that he says or does. If anybody disagrees with the left you get cancelled, lose your job, get called an uncle Tom, ect. There's a huge difference. You touched on that just reiteratting
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dr. malone was talking about this too, theres a nice video on substak, he was on rogaine a few days back, good episode.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Agreed.

But the strategy is to pit people against one another. When people are busy being angry at their neighbours, they don't notice what those in power are doing.

Social media censorship benefits both "sides"; outrage, vindication, and fuel for the fight simultaneously with a single move.

There's plenty of money to be made for skeptics as well as for pharma.
Do you truly think big tech censorship benefits both "sides"?

Do you truly believe skeptics make as much money as big pharma?

Come on now.

You are welcome to your ideas, but when your ideas and beliefs cross the line where they directly affect the health and livelihood of the other side then you're simply asking for trouble.

The entire argument surrounding COVID can be summarized by whether you agree or not that the government should have the power to mandate a rushed experimental vaccine and threaten dissidents with loss of livelihoods, lockdowns, and a clear attempt to divide people and create a second class citizens from the dissidents.
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This term just "popped" into mainstream consciousness as it was trending on twitter.

Google was caught unaware and was hand editing search results, while scrambling to find/post narrative-friendly responses to this term. For a brief moment, we got to see behind the curtain as Globohomo Inc. worked quickly to patch a hole in their hull before it sunk their ship.





Here's a link with perhaps more info. I generally wouldn't use infowars as a source and it's not a site I read, but duckduckgo returned it when I searched for the above link and it seems to be a summary of what I saw on twitter.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/see-t...one-interview/
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Originally Posted By iabs⏩
Do you truly think big tech censorship benefits both "sides"?

Do you truly believe skeptics make as much money as big pharma?
Of course individuals aren't generating the same revenue as corporations. But the margins are on completely different scales. YouTube ad revenue is real.
The entire argument surrounding COVID can be summarized by whether you agree or not that the government should have the power to mandate a rushed experimental vaccine and threaten dissidents with loss of livelihoods, lockdowns, and a clear attempt to divide people and create a second class citizens from the dissidents.
That's the fallacious argument covid has become, which is my point.

A pandemic was used an opportunity for political manoeuvring.

Individuals should have to option to weight the health risks of infection against the health risks of vaccination in order to make a personal health decision.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Individuals should have to option to weight the health risks of infection against the health risks of vaccination in order to make a personal health decision.
And they shouldn't be made societal pariahs by Globohomo Inc. and Big Government for choosing NOT to have an experimental treatment injected into their bodies, for which the vax manufacturers and health care providers have been given legal immunity for any unexpected or unreported consequences.
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
And they shouldn't be made societal pariahs by Globohomo Inc. and Big Government for choosing NOT to have an experimental treatment injected into their bodies, for which the vax manufacturers and health care providers have been legal immunity for any unexpected or unreported consequences.
Ding ding ding!
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
And they shouldn't be made societal pariahs by Globohomo Inc. and Big Government for choosing NOT to have an experimental treatment injected into their bodies, for which the vax manufacturers and health care providers have been legal immunity for any unexpected or unreported consequences.
I think mandates are a terrible idea that will likely do more harm than good.
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Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
katja i think watching these 1h+ videos nonstop is not good for you srs

at the end of the day you already have the answer (it's a pLandemic)

it has a negative effect on you watching that all the time srs (inb4no it doesnt on mee!!)

why don't you watch happy and healthy stuff? you have already proven to IQmog 99.9% of the misc to oblivion and back


I don't actually watch that many long videos, or even all doom and gloom. Last 3-



The geothermal heat pump one is interesting. Says ideally you need at least an acre of land and it works better with clay soils or water; sand is no good.

IMO the left/right US political divide isn't the main point here. This is something happening globally, not just in the US. The authorities overseeing the pandemic measures don't neatly fit into one political bucket, though it is likely that they do buy into the "Malthusian Mind Virus" or just generally believe that they are justified in their actions even if they know that they are lying.

I would say that there are generally more religious people on the right than on the left and I wonder if perhaps already having a faith tradition that involves connection and ritual may protect one from being as susceptible to mass formation.

Kind of like a Catholic or Baptist who gets door knocked by Mormons- likely to be polite, but express a lack of interest because they already have a chosen faith.

One of the main suggestions [prior Malone short video] for waking people up from this psychosis is to educate them on how much worse a government power grab that moves us to from democracy to totalitarianism is a larger threat than any virus.
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I guess my point is that both "sides" are convinced the other is brainwashed...


... and they're both correct.

The suggestion that either Fauci or Malone are acting in citizen's best interests are both examples of successful propaganda.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I guess my point is that both "sides" are convinced the other is brainwashed...


... and they're both correct.

The suggestion that either Fauci or Malone are acting in citizen's best interests are both examples of successful propaganda.
Are you vaccinated?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I guess my point is that both "sides" are convinced the other is brainwashed...


... and they're both correct.

The suggestion that either Fauci or Malone are acting in citizen's best interests are both examples of successful propaganda.
Out of curiosity, what things has Malone said that you think is bullsh!t? Don’t need a laundry list, maybe just 5 or so things that he claims which you consider bullsh!t?


When you say “they keep up fighting against each other so nobody is looking at them”, who are you referring to when you say “them”?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I guess my point is that both "sides" are convinced the other is brainwashed...


... and they're both correct.

The suggestion that either Fauci or Malone are acting in citizen's best interests are both examples of successful propaganda.
On what basis are you disparaging Malone's character and motives? It sounds an awful lot like an ad hominem attack to me. Fauci has been in the public eye and we've seen enough from that clown to make a compelling case that he's a fame-hungry bureaucrat with authoritarian leanings. However, Malone's got no such track record in the public eye upon which to make a character judgement.
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
On what basis are you disparaging Malone's character and motives? It sounds an awful lot like an ad hominem attack to me. Fauci has been in the public eye and we've seen enough from that clown to make a compelling case that he's a fame-hungry bureaucrat with authoritarian leanings. However, Malone's got no such track record in the public eye upon which to make a character judgement.
When did I disparage Malone's character?

When did Malone appoint himself as the inventor of mRNA technology (on his website)?

Why did he bail on his PhD?

How many podcasts was he doing before covid?

When did Fauci begin his campaign for fame?

My point is that they both see an opportunity. They both say things people want to hear; they both say things to incite fear.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
When did I disparage Malone's character?
You called into question his motives, which becomes a character issue, since this is a matter of "citizen's best interest". It's one thing to be driven by fame/money. It's another thing to allow others to die in your quest for fame/money. It's pretty clear to me that charge can be made against Fauci. It's not clear to me how anyone could make such a claim against Malone.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
When did Malone appoint himself as the inventor of mRNA technology (on his website)?

Why did he bail on his PhD?

How many podcasts was he doing before covid?
Sounds like FUD from a political campaign, to be honest. If somebody is doing oppo research on an epidemiologist, I think you have to wonder exactly what the true agenda is.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
When did Fauci begin his campaign for fame?

My point is that they both see an opportunity. They both say things people want to hear; they both say things to incite fear.
Fauci has been campaigning for a Nobel Prize since the AIDS crisis. Obviously, he sees this as his last chance at one.
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
Sounds like FUD from a political campaign, to be honest. If somebody is doing oppo research on an epidemiologist, I think you have to wonder exactly what the true agenda is.
Malone is not an epidemiologist. But examining what he uses to support his claims reveals a lot.
Fauci has been campaigning for a Nobel Prize since the AIDS crisis. Obviously, he sees this as his last chance at one.
The pandemic has presented an opportunity for many to seek fame and/or infamy.

My point is that this whole thing has become "do you follow Fauci or Malone?". I follow neither as I think they're both full of chit.

People with views in between the extremes don't get airtime.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I guess my point is that both "sides" are convinced the other is brainwashed...


... and they're both correct.

The suggestion that either Fauci or Malone are acting in citizen's best interests are both examples of successful propaganda.
Out of curiosity, what things has Malone said that you think is bullsh!t? Don’t need a laundry list, maybe just 5 or so things that he claims which you consider bullsh!t?


When you say “they keep up fighting against each other so nobody is looking at them”, who are you referring to when you say “them”?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Malone is not an epidemiologist. But examining what he uses to support his claims reveals a lot.

The pandemic has presented an opportunity for many to seek fame and/or infamy.

My point is that this whole thing has become "do you follow Fauci or Malone?". I follow neither as I think they're both full of chit.

People with views in between the extremes don't get airtime.
No, the whole thing HAS NOT become "do you follow Fauci or Malone" however you appear to want to drive the conversation in that direction to promote a false equivalence that "both sides are equally bad".

That's a bald faced lie.

Fauci has been the source of public health policies that have likely at least done as much harm as good. Fauci has promoted an experimental vaccine using fear tactics and now even giving some support for justifying mandates.

Malone has shared his experience and opinions regarding said public health policies and the experimental injections. He has spoken out in support of early treatment with various existing drugs. He has spoken on the risks of the injections, both known and potential.

Malone hasn't done anything that has directly affected government policy. He hasn't compelled people to do anything.

If Fauci had no power and was also merely speaking to small groups of physicians and doing interviews here and there then you might be able to consider them somewhat equivalent. Though if Fauci were still promoting universal injections with no informed consent of the patient and no risk benefit analysis I would still consider him unethical as such actions have been illegal for some time.

There is no in between position. You are for democracy or totalitarianism.
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