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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja
https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2TN1RE

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In reality the term didn't originate with Malone. Mattias Desmet is the professor that, as far as I know, first started applying it to the current covid situation. The fact that the DeBoNkErS are intentionally misattributing the origin of the word is very telling.
Possibly. I thought I saw that Desmet had the concept, but Malone was the first to merge everything together into "mass formation psychosis".

Mattias Desmet has been slowly increasing his fear peddling online while claiming everyone else is in fear.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Surprised you would bump this thread, especially since your gripes about the podcast are trivial at best.


You never did list those studies...
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
“Mass formation psychosis” is not an academic term recognized in the field of psychology. The phrase does not appear in the American Psychological Association (APA) Dictionary of Psychology (dictionary.apa.org/), (dictionary.apa.org/browse/m) nor does it appear in the PsycNet database of published research articles.

There are similar-sounding concepts, like ‘mass psychogenic illness,’ but the scope is relatively narrow compared towhat is being proposed by the Misc's experts.

It seems the concept of a “mass psychosis” is more metaphor than science, more ideology than fact.
Odd bump. Did you ever watch this interview? I highly doubt that Desmet is a miscer.

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=180955623

If anyone doesn't believe that there is an orchestrated effort to mindf*ck the public just do a quick google search of the term now. Top results are that there is "no mass formation around covid", or that "mass transformation is not a real phenomenon".

Tried a date specific search. I used through 12/31/2018.

Tesla wrote about it over 100 years ago:
https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l...e=range&page=5

It has been pretty thoroughly scrubbed though.
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https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...treme_Violence

Maybe other search applications are better.

From the same link:
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"Crediting a professor in Belgium, Malone also said in a December blog post that this “mass hypnosis” explains millions of people becoming captivated by the “dominant narrative concerning the safety and effectiveness of the genetic vaccines.”

Psychology experts say there is no support for the “psychosis” theory described by Malone.

“To my knowledge, there’s no evidence whatsoever for this concept,” said Jay Van Bavel, an assistant professor of psychology and neural science at New York University who recently co-authored a book on group identities. Van Bavel said he had never encountered the phrase “mass formation psychosis” in his years of research, nor could he find it in any peer-reviewed literature.

“The concept has no academic credibility,” Stephen Reicher, a social psychology professor at the University of St Andrews in the U.K., wrote in an email to The Associated Press.

The term also does not appear in the American Psychological Association's Dictionary of Psychology.


The description of “mass formation psychosis” offered by Malone resembles discredited concepts, such as “mob mentality” and “group mind,” according to John Drury, a social psychologist at the University of Sussex in the U.K. who studies collective behavior. The ideas suggest that “when people form part of a psychological crowd they lose their identities and their self-control; they become suggestible, and primitive instinctive impulses predominate,” he said in an email.

That notion has been discredited by decades of research on crowd behavior, Drury said. “No respectable psychologist agrees with these ideas now,” he said.

Multiple experts told the AP that while there is evidence that groups can shape or influence one’s behaviors — and that people can and do believe falsehoods that are put forward by the leader of a group — those concepts do not involve the masses experiencing “psychosis” or “hypnosis.”

Steven Jay Lynn, a psychology professor at Binghamton University in New York, said Malone’s argument that a group can “literally become hypnotized and can be led anywhere” is premised on a myth about hypnosis.


“His claim represents a serious misunderstanding of hypnosis and doubles down on the popular misconception that hypnosis somehow transforms people into mindless robots who think what the hypnotist wants them to think and do the hypnotist’s bidding,” Lynn said in an email. “The scientifically established fact is that people can easily resist and even oppose suggestions.”

Before the concept of “mass formation psychosis” took off in recent days, it had percolated online in recent months.

Mattias Desmet, the professor in Belgium who Malone cited for formulating the idea, did not return requests for comment. Malone also did not return a request for comment."

http://www.ccenterdispatch.com/news/...83480c3df.html




People really only think one "side" is being worked?

You can't see the same commitment to the messaging of Malone, McCullough, RFK Jr, etc by their followers?

"Be afraid of covid" - is a psyop

But "be afraid of vaccines" isn't?

People are threatening healthcare workers. But that's just normal, free, independent, rational thought?
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Read yesterday that an activist gruop that owns stock in Google/You Tube is trying to get YouTube to disclose ifBiden's White House told You Tube to remove and cancel the Robert Malone interview. the article ~


Shareholders call on Google and YouTube to produce the receipts on how they take orders from Joe Biden's White House on COVID

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog..._on_covid.html
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Originally Posted By katya422
Odd bump. Did you ever watch this interview? I highly doubt that Desmet is a miscer.

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=180955623

If anyone doesn't believe that there is an orchestrated effort to mindf*ck the public just do a quick google search of the term now. Top results are that there is "no mass formation around covid", or that "mass transformation is not a real phenomenon".

Tried a date specific search. I used through 12/31/2018.

Tesla wrote about it over 100 years ago:
https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l...e=range&page=5

It has been pretty thoroughly scrubbed though.



https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...treme_Violence

Maybe other search applications are better.

From the same link:
Real talk, are your children embarrassed of you? You're so far down the loony tunes hole, I can't imagine what your house is like.


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Originally Posted By J.L.C.


You never did list those studies...
I didn’t bother to go dig all of them up because I showed you one and you just ignored it. And all it takes is one to put a hole in your suggestion that they didn’t ignore any studies, even though you are aware that the studies exist. So if multiple studies exist, and they say none do….while simultaneously insinuating that ivermectin is only used to treat horses and cows, then yes, they have ignored the studies.




Also lmfao at your whole critique being relegated to “he used a term I don’t like” even though it’s blatantly obvious that they are pumping out incessant fear porn and trying to rally people around the injections. But that’s what you always do….deflect, post false statements and then hide behind “I didn’t make the claim I just shared the study”, and trying to bog the conversation down in semantics to shift away from the point being made since you can’t dispute it. On one page you say it’s clear that both sides are doing it and on the next page you say the entire concept isn’t even a real thing.
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Originally Posted By P51
Real talk, are your children embarrassed of you? You're so far down the loony tunes hole, I can't imagine what your house is like.


You're such a potato that you think one side is sheep, while being a sheep for the other side, but are full baked potato not even realize it.
I already covered this with JLC….one side is pumping incessant fear into people, shutting down businesses, restricting travel, restricting free speech, encouraging untested and ineffective injections even for children, implementing mandated injections as a requirement for employment, and blatantly chastising anyone who doesn’t follow the narrative while the other side says your threat from the virus is very low, wants businesses to remain open, thinks people should be able to freely travel regardless of injection status, fights for free speech and open & honest discussions about how to best handle the situation, pushes back against the injection of children, fights against requiring the injection as a prerequisite of employment, and says everyone should just decide or themselves whether they should get the injection or not. The two sides are not the same.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
I didn’t bother to go dig all of them up because I showed you one and you just ignored it. And all it takes is one to put a hole in your suggestion that they didn’t ignore any studies, even though you are aware that the studies exist. So if multiple studies exist, and they say none do….while simultaneously insinuating that ivermectin is only used to treat horses and cows, then yes, they have ignored the studies.
I didn't ignore it, I showed where it was included in the NIH review - reference #16. You ignored that it was included.

Who is "they"? The NIH reviewed the available evidence and walks through it. "They" didn't say no studies exist. Where do you get that idea? I posted the review. You ignored it. Here it is again:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelin...ermectin-data/

Are you suggesting a standard of care should be based on a single study rather than the collective evidence?
Also lmfao at your whole critique being relegated to “he used a term I don’t like” even though it’s blatantly obvious that they are pumping out incessant fear porn and trying to rally people around the injections. But that’s what you always do….deflect, post false statements and then hide behind “I didn’t make the claim I just shared the study”, and trying to bog the conversation down in semantics to shift away from the point being made since you can’t dispute it. On one page you say it’s clear that both sides are doing it and on the next page you say the entire concept isn’t even a real thing.
It's not that it's a term I don't like; it's a term that didn't exist until Malone coined it.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
I already covered this with JLC….one side is pumping incessant fear into people, shutting down businesses, restricting travel, restricting free speech, encouraging untested and ineffective injections even for children, implementing mandated injections as a requirement for employment, and blatantly chastising anyone who doesn’t follow the narrative while the other side says your threat from the virus is very low, wants businesses to remain open, thinks people should be able to freely travel regardless of injection status, fights for free speech and open & honest discussions about how to best handle the situation, pushes back against the injection of children, fights against requiring the injection as a prerequisite of employment, and says everyone should just decide or themselves whether they should get the injection or not. The two sides are not the same.
Both "sides" are pumping fear. How do you not see that?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
“Mass formation psychosis” is not an academic term recognized in the field of psychology. The phrase does not appear in the American Psychological Association (APA) Dictionary of Psychology (dictionary.apa.org/), (dictionary.apa.org/browse/m) nor does it appear in the PsycNet database of published research articles.

There are similar-sounding concepts, like ‘mass psychogenic illness,’ but the scope is relatively narrow compared to what is being proposed by the Misc's experts.

It seems the concept of a “mass psychosis” is more metaphor than science, more ideology than fact.
Trump Derangement Syndrome doesn't exist in any dictionary or lexicon, but it describes something very specific.

And honestly, psychology isn't something that is measurable in any case. It's philosophy of the mind. You can't directly measure states of mind.
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Originally Posted By steeler505
Trump Derangement Syndrome doesn't exist in any dictionary or lexicon, but it describes something very specific.

And honestly, psychology isn't something that is measurable in any case. It's philosophy of the mind. You can't directly measure states of mind.
Psychology is a field of study.
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Originally Posted By steeler505
Trump Derangement Syndrome doesn't exist in any dictionary or lexicon, but it describes something very specific.

And honestly, psychology isn't something that is measurable in any case. It's philosophy of the mind. You can't directly measure states of mind.
It's a term made up by Trumpers who can't possibly understand how anyone could have issue with Trump. The irony of them screeching nonstop about Biden is completely lost on them.

(inb4 Biden "deserves" it and Trump didn't..)
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Originally Posted By steeler505
Trump Derangement Syndrome doesn't exist in any dictionary or lexicon,but it describes something very specific.

And honestly, psychology isn't something that is measurable in any case. It's philosophy of the mind. You can't directly measure states of mind.
https://www.newsweek.com/therapists-...lected-1046687
Therapists in the U.S. say there has been a rise in politically-related anxiety in the months before and after Trump's presidency that they have dubbed "Trump Anxiety Disorder."

Elisabeth LaMotte, therapist and founder of the D.C. Counseling and Psychotherapy Center in Washington D.C., told Canada's CBC News that there is a collective politically induced anxiety among patients. She claims that President Trump's name has come up frequently in sessions with her clients. Many feel on edge about the possible dire effects of his decisions, rhetoric, and policies.
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You can search for terms here:
https://psycnet.apa.org/search/basic
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Not sure the APA is serious anymore

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/01/ce-corner

The main thrust of the subsequent research is that traditional masculinity—marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression—is, on the whole, harmful.

First, clinicians must be aware of dominant masculine ideals, and cognizant of their own potential biases. Second, they must recognize the integrated nature of masculinity, and how factors ranging from spirituality to ability status to age and ethnicity interact. Mental health professionals must also understand how power, privilege and sexism work both by conferring benefits to men and by trapping them in narrow roles.
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Originally Posted By MLDK
Not sure the APA is serious anymore

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/01/ce-corner

The main thrust of the subsequent research is that traditional masculinity—marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression—is, on the whole, harmful.

First, clinicians must be aware of dominant masculine ideals, and cognizant of their own potential biases. Second, they must recognize the integrated nature of masculinity, and how factors ranging from spirituality to ability status to age and ethnicity interact. Mental health professionals must also understand how power, privilege and sexism work both by conferring benefits to men and by trapping them in narrow roles.
What is your criticism?
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
Scroll through the Executive committe of the APA, they are either one of two things. Women, and guess the other
This is the board of directors

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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
Cool story. And?
You suggested
Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
Scroll through the Executive committe of the APA, they are either one of two things. Women, and guess the other
It looks like they are either women... or men.

Is there a punchline?
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Originally Posted By NYPat
It's a term made up by Trumpers who can't possibly understand how anyone could have issue with Trump. The irony of them screeching nonstop about Biden is completely lost on them.

(inb4 Biden "deserves" it and Trump didn't..)
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Originally Posted By P51
Real talk, are your children embarrassed of you? You're so far down the loony tunes hole, I can't imagine what your house is like.


You're such a potato that you think one side is sheep, while being a sheep for the other side, but are full baked potato not even realize it.
Typical lib cuck pha66ot, in the face of good information you turn to personal insults and talking about her children, I’d pop you right in your bitch mouth irl, I promise.


And I wouldn’t feel bad hitting a little diseased pha66ot.
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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja
https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2TN1RE

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In reality the term didn't originate with Malone. Mattias Desmet is the professor that, as far as I know, first started applying it to the current covid situation. The fact that the DeBoNkErS are intentionally misattributing the origin of the word is very telling.
the "fact-checkers" that discredit what he says are part of the controlled media.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
Ok, ill stop being coy. Throw in the Executive Committee of the Board of Trustees which I was referring to and of 23 people you only have ONE anglo white male. Nothing wrong with that within itself but you know that the organization is guided by ideology. So I'm not surprised that this organization finds masculinity to be threatening.
I took the guidelines as guidance for recognition of the associated factors in clinical practice rather than identifying those factors as threats.

What is the ideology guiding the American Psychological Association?
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Originally Posted By ideological
First, clinicians must be aware of dominant masculine ideals, and cognizant of their own potential biases. Second, they must recognize the integrated nature of masculinity, and how factors ranging from spirituality to ability status to age and ethnicity interact. Mental health professionals must also understand how power, privilege and sexism work both by conferring benefits to men and by trapping them in narrow roles.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.
What is your criticism?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
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Same question. What do you think is wrong with that clinical practice guidance?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Same question. What do you think is wrong with that clinical practice guidance?
It’s just word salad that basically just means “men = bad unless they become soft and submissive”.


What are dominant masculine ideals?

What type of biases should they be aware of?

What is the integrated nature of masculinity?


Why must they just assume(“recognize”) that power, privilege, and sexism always give power to men? Women have lots of benefits over men in society and are much safer statistically speaking.




So again, it’s just a bunch of word salad designed to make practitioners view the world through a certain lens and then push that specific ideology outward through their practice.





Which I’m certain you already understood since you seem to have an IQ above a potato.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
It’s just word salad that basically just means “men = bad unless they become soft and submissive”.


Why must they just assume(“recognize”) that power, privilege, and sexism always give power to men? Women have lots of benefits over men in society and are much safer statistically speaking.

So again, it’s just a bunch of word salad designed to make practitioners view the world through a certain lens and then push that specific ideology outward through their practice.

Which I’m certain you already understood since you seem to have an IQ above a potato.
What they've written generally aligns with current practice.

"understand how power, privilege and sexism work both by conferring benefits to men and by trapping them in narrow roles"

Understand "how"...understand how power, privilege and sexism work both by conferring benefits to men and by trapping them in narrow roles

Not "assume that" it does.
What are dominant masculine ideals?

What type of biases should they be aware of?

What is the integrated nature of masculinity?
While most of these are discussed in the text, I don't think the guideline is meant to be a short-course in clinical psychology.

Do you also take issue with their guidelines for working with women and girls?
https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/girls-and-women

While the pandemic introduced many people to journals and scientific institutions, these topics, guidelines, and processes are far from new.
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