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Breaking news: Russia is about to invade! Massive cyber attack has hit Ukraine srs
Breaking news: Russia is about to invade! Massive cyber attack has hit Ukraine srs
01-22-2022, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted By Coal
So Ukraine had a very valid reason and concern to join NATO is what my questions have been about. Based of Russia's aggression, and being severely weaker it seems like Ukraine's hand was forced, no?
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Not how geopolitics work.As is their right to. This is about Ukraine.
Okay cool. So when it comes to Ukraine it seems to me that Russia started all this chit as they were the aggressors.
Okay cool. So when it comes to Ukraine it seems to me that Russia started all this chit as they were the aggressors.
Ukraine does have a valid reason for wanting to join NATO, but besides the US, no one else actually wants them in NATO (and maybe not even them), especially us Euro countries, who would have a powder keg ready to blow at any time. Sucks to be them, but everyone would be better off if the area stays a neutral buffer zone. See how Germany refused to provide any supplies or support.
Russians and Putin are dikheads, but NATO/US has been baiting them long enough. Nobody needs this.
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Correction to some posters above: Ukraine wants to join Nato but they have not been given the green light.
Russia’s actions will make other neighbouring countries to Russia want to join NATO.
Russia’s actions will make other neighbouring countries to Russia want to join NATO.
01-22-2022, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Sure, so like I keep stating.. . If nobody wants them in NATO (not even themselves) but they feel pressured to join anyway, it might seem like they have a very fuking valid reason to join. I wonder what that could be. With your knowledge of geopolitics can you come up with something?Not how geopolitics work.
Ukraine does have a valid reason for wanting to join NATO, but besides the US, no one else actually wants them in NATO (and maybe not even them), especially us Euro countries, who would have a powder keg ready to blow at any time. Sucks to be them, but everyone would be better off if the area stays a neutral buffer zone. See how Germany refused to provide any supplies or support.
Russians and Putin are dikheads, but NATO/US has been baiting them long enough. Nobody needs this.
Ukraine does have a valid reason for wanting to join NATO, but besides the US, no one else actually wants them in NATO (and maybe not even them), especially us Euro countries, who would have a powder keg ready to blow at any time. Sucks to be them, but everyone would be better off if the area stays a neutral buffer zone. See how Germany refused to provide any supplies or support.
Russians and Putin are dikheads, but NATO/US has been baiting them long enough. Nobody needs this.
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Originally Posted By Darkhare⏩
This. The west/nato has its hand in Ukraine destabilization, Russia has no choice but to react to protect its sphere/interests.Annexed Crimea with no magazines in their guns and only after a CIA lead rebellion collapsed Ukraine's govt and a puppet leader was installed.
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Originally Posted By Coal
I said nobody else but Ukraine wants Ukraine to actually become a member of NATO. Their reason for joining is that if they get attacked as a member of NATO, that means the aggressor declared war on all members of NATO and members are legally obligated to assist them. Makes sense, too bad most of NATO isn't really keen on starting chit with Russia.Sure, so like I keep stating.. . If nobody wants them in NATO (not even themselves) but they feel pressured to join anyway, it might seem like they have a very fuking valid reason to join. I wonder what that could be. With your knowledge of geopolitics can you come up with something?
Issuing sanctions and strongly worded letters after a couple thousands die on the Ukrainian/Russian sides is one thing, risking all out war with Russia - especially over some bs casus belli/false flag - is a whole another dimension.
01-22-2022, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted By KhumatMibra⏩
Oh chit so Russia was innocent, peaceful and keeping to themselves all along. Ukraine was in bed with the USA and together tried to get US weapons and aid for no reason whatsoever. Well now that it's simplified and I see these countries decided to randomly poke a giant then I have to agree with you. Putin is a goddamn hero.This. The west/nato has its hand in Ukraine destabilization, Russia has no choice but to react to protect its sphere/interests.
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Originally Posted By Coal
Nobody is innocent here. There is no good guy and bad guy.Oh chit so Russia was innocent, peaceful and keeping to themselves all along. Ukraine was in bed with the USA and together tried to get US weapons and aid for no reason whatsoever. Well now that it's simplified and I see these countries decided to randomly poke a giant then I have to agree with you. Putin is a goddamn hero.
01-22-2022, 01:36 PM
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So what is the preferred solution to all this? Was anyone in the wrong, and if so who is it?I said nobody else but Ukraine wants Ukraine to actually become a member of NATO. Their reason for joining is that if they get attacked as a member of NATO, that means the aggressor declared war on all members of NATO and members are legally obligated to assist them. Makes sense, too bad most of NATO isn't really keen on starting chit with Russia.
Issuing sanctions and strongly worded letters after a couple thousands die on the Ukrainian/Russian sides is one thing, risking all out war with Russia - especially over some bs casus belli/false flag - is a whole another dimension.
Issuing sanctions and strongly worded letters after a couple thousands die on the Ukrainian/Russian sides is one thing, risking all out war with Russia - especially over some bs casus belli/false flag - is a whole another dimension.
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01-22-2022, 01:37 PM
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I think some people might be a little worse than others. Seems to me like Ukraine just wants to be left the fuk alone...if I had to take a wild guess. I know I'm reaching here but that seems logical to me.Nobody is innocent here. There is no good guy and bad guy.
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Originally Posted By Coal
What Ukraine wants unfortunately doesn't matter.I think some people might be a little worse than others. Seems to me like Ukraine just wants to be left the fuk alone...if I had to take a wild guess. I know I'm reaching here but that seems logical to me.
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
I feel sorry for the Ukrainians. The US needs to negotiate a relocation of each demographic so no one gets killed. Letting Russia have Crimea is not bad.The only people who always win from war are the elites. I have no idea why some of you guys want another white on white war so bad, aren't you against the depopulation of white people?
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Originally Posted By Coal
Subjectively everyone was right, US/NATO want to keep Russia at bay, Ukraine wants to be safe from Russia and Russia wants to make sure that a massive neighbouring country isn't a backdoor into its own territory for the US. I guess one could pick sides if they insist, but there are no good/bad actors in this. Yes, the US had a hand in destabilizing Ukraine, but they with Putin at the helm are absolutely massive murderous dikheads.So what is the preferred solution to all this? Was anyone in the wrong, and if so who is it?
Preferred solution? Not sure, possibly not building up NATO military resources in the area to this extent and leaving Ukraine as neutral.
Honestly I have zero idea how this will turn out. I'm hopeful, seeing how currently both parties try to resolve this via diplomatic ways, but looks like neither side wants to actually budge.
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Britain Says Moscow Is Plotting to Install a Pro-Russian Leader in Ukraine
https://archive.ph/f6QpJ
KYIV —The British government said Saturday that the Kremlin was developing plans to install a pro-Russian leader in Ukraine — and had already chosen a potential candidate— as President Vladimir V. Putin weighs whether to order the Russian forces amassed on Ukraine’s border to attack.
The highly unusual public communiqué by the United Kingdom’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office, issued late at night in London, comes at a moment of high-stakes diplomacy between the Kremlin and the West. Russia has deployed more than 100,000 Russian troops on Ukraine’s borders that could, according to American officials, attack at any moment.
“The information being released today shines a light on the extent of Russian activity designed to subvert Ukraine, and is an insight into Kremlin thinking,” Liz Truss, Britain’s foreign secretary, said in a statement. “Russia must de-escalate, end its campaigns of aggression and disinformation, and pursue a path of diplomacy.”
The communiqué provided few details about how Russia might go about imposing a new government on Ukraine, and did not say whether such plans were contingent on an invasion by Russian troops. British officials familiar with the situation, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the intent was both to head off the activation of such plans as well as to put Mr. Putin on notice that this plot had been exposed.
In Washington, officials said they believe the British intelligence is correct. Two officials said it had been collected by British intelligence services. Within the informal intelligence alliance known as “Five Eyes,” Britain has primary responsibility for intercepting Russian communications, which is why it played a major role in exposing Russian interference in the 2016 elections.
Emily J. Horne, the spokeswoman for the U.S. National Security Council, said in statement that “this kind of plotting is deeply concerning. The Ukrainian people have the sovereign right to determine their own future, and we stand with our democratically-elected partners in Ukraine.”
But the Russian foreign ministry denied the British accusation.
“The spread of disinformation by the British foreign ministry is one more piece of evidence that NATO countries, led by the Anglo Saxons, are escalating tensions around Ukraine,” it said in a statement. “We call on the British foreign ministry to stop its prevocational activities.”
https://archive.ph/f6QpJ
KYIV —The British government said Saturday that the Kremlin was developing plans to install a pro-Russian leader in Ukraine — and had already chosen a potential candidate— as President Vladimir V. Putin weighs whether to order the Russian forces amassed on Ukraine’s border to attack.
The highly unusual public communiqué by the United Kingdom’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office, issued late at night in London, comes at a moment of high-stakes diplomacy between the Kremlin and the West. Russia has deployed more than 100,000 Russian troops on Ukraine’s borders that could, according to American officials, attack at any moment.
“The information being released today shines a light on the extent of Russian activity designed to subvert Ukraine, and is an insight into Kremlin thinking,” Liz Truss, Britain’s foreign secretary, said in a statement. “Russia must de-escalate, end its campaigns of aggression and disinformation, and pursue a path of diplomacy.”
The communiqué provided few details about how Russia might go about imposing a new government on Ukraine, and did not say whether such plans were contingent on an invasion by Russian troops. British officials familiar with the situation, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the intent was both to head off the activation of such plans as well as to put Mr. Putin on notice that this plot had been exposed.
In Washington, officials said they believe the British intelligence is correct. Two officials said it had been collected by British intelligence services. Within the informal intelligence alliance known as “Five Eyes,” Britain has primary responsibility for intercepting Russian communications, which is why it played a major role in exposing Russian interference in the 2016 elections.
Emily J. Horne, the spokeswoman for the U.S. National Security Council, said in statement that “this kind of plotting is deeply concerning. The Ukrainian people have the sovereign right to determine their own future, and we stand with our democratically-elected partners in Ukraine.”
But the Russian foreign ministry denied the British accusation.
“The spread of disinformation by the British foreign ministry is one more piece of evidence that NATO countries, led by the Anglo Saxons, are escalating tensions around Ukraine,” it said in a statement. “We call on the British foreign ministry to stop its prevocational activities.”
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
Yep they are going for the goldBritain Says Moscow Is Plotting to Install a Pro-Russian Leader in Ukraine
https://archive.ph/f6QpJ
KYIV —The British government said Saturday that the Kremlin was developing plans to install a pro-Russian leader in Ukraine — and had already chosen a potential candidate— as President Vladimir V. Putin weighs whether to order the Russian forces amassed on Ukraine’s border to attack.
The highly unusual public communiqué by the United Kingdom’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office, issued late at night in London, comes at a moment of high-stakes diplomacy between the Kremlin and the West. Russia has deployed more than 100,000 Russian troops on Ukraine’s borders that could, according to American officials, attack at any moment.
“The information being released today shines a light on the extent of Russian activity designed to subvert Ukraine, and is an insight into Kremlin thinking,” Liz Truss, Britain’s foreign secretary, said in a statement. “Russia must de-escalate, end its campaigns of aggression and disinformation, and pursue a path of diplomacy.”
The communiqué provided few details about how Russia might go about imposing a new government on Ukraine, and did not say whether such plans were contingent on an invasion by Russian troops. British officials familiar with the situation, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the intent was both to head off the activation of such plans as well as to put Mr. Putin on notice that this plot had been exposed.
In Washington, officials said they believe the British intelligence is correct. Two officials said it had been collected by British intelligence services. Within the informal intelligence alliance known as “Five Eyes,” Britain has primary responsibility for intercepting Russian communications, which is why it played a major role in exposing Russian interference in the 2016 elections.
Emily J. Horne, the spokeswoman for the U.S. National Security Council, said in statement that “this kind of plotting is deeply concerning. The Ukrainian people have the sovereign right to determine their own future, and we stand with our democratically-elected partners in Ukraine.”
But the Russian foreign ministry denied the British accusation.
“The spread of disinformation by the British foreign ministry is one more piece of evidence that NATO countries, led by the Anglo Saxons, are escalating tensions around Ukraine,” it said in a statement. “We call on the British foreign ministry to stop its prevocational activities.”
https://archive.ph/f6QpJ
KYIV —The British government said Saturday that the Kremlin was developing plans to install a pro-Russian leader in Ukraine — and had already chosen a potential candidate— as President Vladimir V. Putin weighs whether to order the Russian forces amassed on Ukraine’s border to attack.
The highly unusual public communiqué by the United Kingdom’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office, issued late at night in London, comes at a moment of high-stakes diplomacy between the Kremlin and the West. Russia has deployed more than 100,000 Russian troops on Ukraine’s borders that could, according to American officials, attack at any moment.
“The information being released today shines a light on the extent of Russian activity designed to subvert Ukraine, and is an insight into Kremlin thinking,” Liz Truss, Britain’s foreign secretary, said in a statement. “Russia must de-escalate, end its campaigns of aggression and disinformation, and pursue a path of diplomacy.”
The communiqué provided few details about how Russia might go about imposing a new government on Ukraine, and did not say whether such plans were contingent on an invasion by Russian troops. British officials familiar with the situation, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the intent was both to head off the activation of such plans as well as to put Mr. Putin on notice that this plot had been exposed.
In Washington, officials said they believe the British intelligence is correct. Two officials said it had been collected by British intelligence services. Within the informal intelligence alliance known as “Five Eyes,” Britain has primary responsibility for intercepting Russian communications, which is why it played a major role in exposing Russian interference in the 2016 elections.
Emily J. Horne, the spokeswoman for the U.S. National Security Council, said in statement that “this kind of plotting is deeply concerning. The Ukrainian people have the sovereign right to determine their own future, and we stand with our democratically-elected partners in Ukraine.”
But the Russian foreign ministry denied the British accusation.
“The spread of disinformation by the British foreign ministry is one more piece of evidence that NATO countries, led by the Anglo Saxons, are escalating tensions around Ukraine,” it said in a statement. “We call on the British foreign ministry to stop its prevocational activities.”
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More tanks, landing ships and soldiers sent to the border. Russia is not ****ing around.
More tanks, landing ships and soldiers sent to the border. Russia is not ****ing around.
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We'll probably see the reports of Russian troop movements go up this week. Much of the needed ground warfare hardware/material is already pre-positioned close to Ukraine but there still needs to be more troop movements to those locations.
There has already been some interesting ones over the past week but in the coming week it'll go up.
There is of course still the possibility of a negotiated settlement or that Putin is in some way convinced to do something else, but as of right now an invasion is far more likely than not, and around the first of February.
The fact that NATO/Western governments are pulling their people from Ukraine and sending out travel advisories is just one set of signs among a great many others that it's likely at this point.
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It may be time to start a new mega-thread on the Russia-Ukraine situation. If it looks like a good point this week I may do it myself unless someone else starts one.
There has already been some interesting ones over the past week but in the coming week it'll go up.
There is of course still the possibility of a negotiated settlement or that Putin is in some way convinced to do something else, but as of right now an invasion is far more likely than not, and around the first of February.
The fact that NATO/Western governments are pulling their people from Ukraine and sending out travel advisories is just one set of signs among a great many others that it's likely at this point.
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It may be time to start a new mega-thread on the Russia-Ukraine situation. If it looks like a good point this week I may do it myself unless someone else starts one.
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Originally Posted By Coal
But you’re right. This is what it should be.I think some people might be a little worse than others. Seems to me like Ukraine just wants to be left the fuk alone...if I had to take a wild guess. I know I'm reaching here but that seems logical to me.
You have half of Ukraine pro-Russia; and the other half anti-Russia. Some of they want NATO, others don’t, others want to be left alone.
(Keep in mind that many people speak Russian in Ukraine, and have close ties)
No one is good and bad during this - but both sides are having issues. Russia definitely doesn’t want to have any enemy near their border; but NATO doesn’t want Russia to annex Ukraine and gain more land, resources, and sources closer to EU.
Then you have people who are for this war - which is even worse. It creates a waste of resources, time, energy, and spending.
This can easily be settled, but no one wants to budge - specifically Russia. They don’t want to look weak during this.
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https://www.cnn.com/
Embassy in Ukraine is getting evacuated srs
Ready for world war III you liberal ****s?
Embassy in Ukraine is getting evacuated srs
Ready for world war III you liberal ****s?
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Originally Posted By Babayagawick85⏩
https://www.cnn.com/
Embassy in Ukraine is getting evacuated srs
Ready for world war III you liberal ****s?
Embassy in Ukraine is getting evacuated srs
Ready for world war III you liberal ****s?
Lol.
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you guys are dumb there will be no war. This is to keep people in fear. Russia doesn't have to invade ukraine.
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Originally Posted By Coal
Both superpowers staying out of Ukraine's business. But if Russia goes in there, that's not reason for the U.S. to start funding insurgencies.So what is the preferred solution to all this? Was anyone in the wrong, and if so who is it?
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
It’s bs. Iran shot down a Ukrainian civilian plane to show off power and the usa didn’t say crap. Now they want to go put troops in Eastern Europe. What a joke. They only want to steal and rape the Eastern European women is all it isBoth superpowers staying out of Ukraine's business. But if Russia goes in there, that's not reason for the U.S. to start funding insurgencies.
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Boy this is rich coming from Anthony Blinken:
"This is very much part of the Russian toolkit," U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on CNN's State of the Union on Sunday. "It runs the gamut from a large, conventional incursion or invasion of Ukraine to these kind of destabilizing activities in an attempt to topple the government, and it's important that people be on notice about that possibility."
Originally Posted By Immichaelski⏩
Feel sad for Ukraine. Couple of my childhood friends were from there. Of course the US has a history of getting involved with their politics. See: Orange Revolution.It’s bs. Iran shot down a Ukrainian civilian plane to show off power and the usa didn’t say crap. Now they want to go put troops in Eastern Europe. What a joke. They only want to steal and rape the Eastern European women is all it is
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