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02-16-2022, 06:27 AM
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Belgium first country ever to adopt a 4 day work week
Belgium is pushing ahead with plans to adopt a four-day work week, potentially making it the first EU member state to do so.
According to Bloomberg, Belgian workers have "won the right to perform a full work week in four days instead of the usual five...without loss of salary."
Fortunately for employers who can't afford such a transition, they will have the right to turn down workers' request for a 4-day week...provided they can produce a strong argument for doing so.
Employers will still have the right to turn down employees’ requests for a condensed work week, on condition they explain their refusal in writing, Deputy Prime Minister and Labor Minister Pierre-Yves Dermagne said Tuesday in Brussels. For companies, it will become easier to introduce evening and night work without prior agreement from all labor unions.
"The goal is to give people and companies more freedom to arrange their work time," Prime Minister Alexander De Croo said on Tuesday in Brussels. “If you compare our country with others, you’ll often see we’re far less dynamic.”
It looks like the new policy is intended to improve employment in the Belgian economy, as only 71 out of 100 Belgians in the prime working age group of 20 to 64 have a job, which is below the average for the euro zone. It's a full 10 percentage points less than in neighboring countries like the Netherlands and Germany, according to data from Eurostat.
Belgium's seven-party coalition government has set a goal to boost employment to 80% by 2030, something it says it needs to keep its pensions fully funded and to finance future tax cuts.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...ost-employment
According to Bloomberg, Belgian workers have "won the right to perform a full work week in four days instead of the usual five...without loss of salary."
Fortunately for employers who can't afford such a transition, they will have the right to turn down workers' request for a 4-day week...provided they can produce a strong argument for doing so.
Employers will still have the right to turn down employees’ requests for a condensed work week, on condition they explain their refusal in writing, Deputy Prime Minister and Labor Minister Pierre-Yves Dermagne said Tuesday in Brussels. For companies, it will become easier to introduce evening and night work without prior agreement from all labor unions.
"The goal is to give people and companies more freedom to arrange their work time," Prime Minister Alexander De Croo said on Tuesday in Brussels. “If you compare our country with others, you’ll often see we’re far less dynamic.”
It looks like the new policy is intended to improve employment in the Belgian economy, as only 71 out of 100 Belgians in the prime working age group of 20 to 64 have a job, which is below the average for the euro zone. It's a full 10 percentage points less than in neighboring countries like the Netherlands and Germany, according to data from Eurostat.
Belgium's seven-party coalition government has set a goal to boost employment to 80% by 2030, something it says it needs to keep its pensions fully funded and to finance future tax cuts.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...ost-employment
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
If corporations really wanted to squeeze max profit, they’d identify and scale back all the roles where people are getting paid 8hrs a day for 1hr of actual work and 7hrs of miscingWouldn't work in the US. Companies here want to squeeze the life out of you for max profit.
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
Yea I’d rather work 7 days a week and have the opportunities to succeed than work 4 days a week in the EU and be guaranteed to remain a peasant.Wouldn't work in the US. Companies here want to squeeze the life out of you for max profit.
You guys don’t live in the EU. The entire system is set up in a way that’s a modern version of medieval Europe… the rich stay rich, the working class lives paycheck to paycheck for life.
You know those stories of Americans that are poor but worked hard and started a business to become wealthy? Ya that’s 1 in a billion in Europe.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
True, more economic opportunity in the US... BUT, 90%+ of the population will never be a successful business owner.Yea I’d rather work 7 days a week and have the opportunities to succeed than work 4 days a week in the EU and be guaranteed to remain a peasant.
You guys don’t live in the EU. The entire system is set up in a way that’s a modern version of medieval Europe… the rich stay rich, the working class lives paycheck to paycheck for life.
You know those stories of Americans that are poor but worked hard and started a business to become wealthy? Ya that’s 1 in a billion in Europe.
You guys don’t live in the EU. The entire system is set up in a way that’s a modern version of medieval Europe… the rich stay rich, the working class lives paycheck to paycheck for life.
You know those stories of Americans that are poor but worked hard and started a business to become wealthy? Ya that’s 1 in a billion in Europe.
The system in the EU is better for the average man.
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
I manage a fairly large global organization. I was approved to take 100% of my team to a 4 day work week. We are already virtual. The reason I ultimately couldnt end up implementing it is due to European law.Wouldn't work in the US. Companies here want to squeeze the life out of you for max profit.
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Originally Posted By messomi⏩
Won the right lmfaooooo even if you work 4 days you are still a wagecelAccording to Bloomberg, Belgian workers have "won the rightto perform a full work week in four days instead of the usual five...without loss of salary."
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
Location: Canada. Thank you for your input, cool fanfic you've got there.Yea I’d rather work 7 days a week and have the opportunities to succeed than work 4 days a week in the EU and be guaranteed to remain a peasant.
You guys don’t live in the EU. The entire system is set up in a way that’s a modern version of medieval Europe… the rich stay rich, the working class lives paycheck to paycheck for life.
You know those stories of Americans that are poor but worked hard and started a business to become wealthy? Ya that’s 1 in a billion in Europe.
You guys don’t live in the EU. The entire system is set up in a way that’s a modern version of medieval Europe… the rich stay rich, the working class lives paycheck to paycheck for life.
You know those stories of Americans that are poor but worked hard and started a business to become wealthy? Ya that’s 1 in a billion in Europe.
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4 day work week but with the same working hours. So on 4 days you’d have to work 10 hours.
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
it isnt just business ownership though. im not sure where in the EU you live, but I have quite a bit of family (big fam) all over.True, more economic opportunity in the US... BUT, 90%+ of the population will never be a successful business owner.
The system in the EU is better for the average man.
The system in the EU is better for the average man.
it seems to be that the idea of ambition is in someway frowned upon in europe, whereas here in canada and to a larger extent in america, it seems to be the opposite. there are countless stories to the point that its comical of first gen immigrants here whos kids go on to be successful doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.
those stories are few and far between in europe. i cant exactly pin point why that is, but again it seems to be that the entire system is set up to keep the status quo... if youre wealthy, your kids will be wealthy; if youre middle class, your kids will be middle class.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
Lol, that's not true, there is still opportunity in (western) europe though.it isnt just business ownership though. im not sure where in the EU you live, but I have quite a bit of family (big fam) all over.
it seems to be that the idea of ambition is in someway frowned upon in europe, whereas here in canada and to a larger extent in america, it seems to be the opposite. there are countless stories to the point that its comical of first gen immigrants here whos kids go on to be successful doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.
those stories are few and far between in europe. i cant exactly pin point why that is, but again it seems to be that the entire system is set up to keep the status quo... if youre wealthy, your kids will be wealthy; if youre middle class, your kids will be middle class.
it seems to be that the idea of ambition is in someway frowned upon in europe, whereas here in canada and to a larger extent in america, it seems to be the opposite. there are countless stories to the point that its comical of first gen immigrants here whos kids go on to be successful doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.
those stories are few and far between in europe. i cant exactly pin point why that is, but again it seems to be that the entire system is set up to keep the status quo... if youre wealthy, your kids will be wealthy; if youre middle class, your kids will be middle class.
Here's a redpill, western euro are MUCH richer than mericans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...alth_per_adult
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[QUOTE=****inator post_id=1656286353]Lol, that's not true, there is still opportunity in (western) europe though.
Here's a redpill, western euro are MUCH richer than mericans:
[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...alth_per_adult[/URL]
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[IMG]https://cdn.ceoworld.biz/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Infographic-nationalities-have-the-best-qu[/QUOTE]yes but thats accounting based on avg's and medians. if you want to be a regular joe who goes to work and just does the bare minimum in life with no goals, then yes absolutely, go find yourself an EU passport and live in germany... because in germany that makes you middle class, but in america that makes you dirt poor.
and ya id take "QOL" with a grain of salt. i find it a bit hard to believe that life is better in romania than it is in canada.
Here's a redpill, western euro are MUCH richer than mericans:
[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...alth_per_adult[/URL]
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[IMG]https://cdn.ceoworld.biz/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Infographic-nationalities-have-the-best-qu[/QUOTE]yes but thats accounting based on avg's and medians. if you want to be a regular joe who goes to work and just does the bare minimum in life with no goals, then yes absolutely, go find yourself an EU passport and live in germany... because in germany that makes you middle class, but in america that makes you dirt poor.
and ya id take "QOL" with a grain of salt. i find it a bit hard to believe that life is better in romania than it is in canada.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
But that's the point brah, most people are average. Most people are a regular Joe hence the EU setting up a system catering to them instead of the 1% like in America.yes but thats accounting based on avg's and medians. if you want to be a regular joe who goes to work and just does the bare minimum in life with no goals, then yes absolutely, go find yourself an EU passport and live in germany... because in germany that makes you middle class, but in america that makes you dirt poor.
and ya id take "QOL" with a grain of salt. i find it a bit hard to believe that life is better in romania than it is in canada.
and ya id take "QOL" with a grain of salt. i find it a bit hard to believe that life is better in romania than it is in canada.
Funny part is western euros are richer in the end even if people have more economic opportunity in the US. (which is also debatable)

Not a commie though but some americans really believe capitalims is god's greatest gift
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[QUOTE=****inator post_id=1656286943]But that's the point brah, most people are average. Most people are a regular Joe hence the EU setting up a system catering to them instead of the 1% like in America.
Funny part is western euros are richer in the end even if people have more economic opportunity in the US. (which is also debatable)
[IMG]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/u75DbD9JCko/maxresdefault.jp
Not a commie though but some americans really believe capitalims is god's greatest gift[/QUOTE]i guess it depends on how you see life man. as i said, id rather play the capitalism game and work hard to succeed than just accept my fate and be the "average man"
and the 1% exists in europe aswell boyo lol, dont be fooled.
Funny part is western euros are richer in the end even if people have more economic opportunity in the US. (which is also debatable)
[IMG]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/u75DbD9JCko/maxresdefault.jp
Not a commie though but some americans really believe capitalims is god's greatest gift[/QUOTE]i guess it depends on how you see life man. as i said, id rather play the capitalism game and work hard to succeed than just accept my fate and be the "average man"
and the 1% exists in europe aswell boyo lol, dont be fooled.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
Of course, the cabal has its claws on every continent, that's a given.i guess it depends on how you see life man. as i said, id rather play the capitalism game and work hard to succeed than just accept my fate and be the "average man"
and the 1% exists in europe aswell boyo lol, dont be fooled.
and the 1% exists in europe aswell boyo lol, dont be fooled.
All the power to you, hope you achieve something in merica. Most won't though.
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
Im guess you havent you compared US salaries with European salaries prior to posting this. Europeans dont get these days without repercussion. They pay for these benefits with massive salary reductions compared to US employees.Meanwhile murica:

The following is from a salary analysis just recently conducted by our HR group for the same job:
US engineer - 120k USD salary
EMEA engineer - 79k Euro/ 90k usd salary
When I travel to Europe and chat with my peers about taxes, salaries, etc...100% of the Europeans I spoke with would swap their vacation time for a 30-40% pay raise. At most companies US based employees can buy up to 2 weeks of vacation and an overwhelming majority dont. US based employees have options, Europeans dont....
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most of those small european countries you cannot buy even 10 acres of land unless you are a billionare. hell there aren't even 10 acre plots available in most of em.
in the US you can still get 40-100 acres of good land for the cost of an avg home in the suburbs. fkin landowner class mogging eurocucks hard AF. DGAF about silly charts
in the US you can still get 40-100 acres of good land for the cost of an avg home in the suburbs. fkin landowner class mogging eurocucks hard AF. DGAF about silly charts
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
most wont, but its still statistically much much more likely than in the EU.Of course, the cabal has its claws on every continent, that's a given.
All the power to you, hope you achieve something in merica.Most won't though.
All the power to you, hope you achieve something in merica.Most won't though.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
And in the end the results are clear: the average person is richer in western europe than in the USA.most wont, but its still statistically much much more likely than in the EU.
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
the average peasant in europe makes more than the average peasant in north america. yes.And in the end the results are clear: the average person is richer in western europe than in the USA.
one of the differnces is though, the average peasant here has a good chance of moving up the socioeconomic ranks whereas in europe that is statistically unlikely.
you ever wonder why it is that most innovations seem to come from the US and not from europe? europeans arent dumber than americans. why?
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
Lol what? Europe is extremely innovative and at the fore front of cutting edge tech. Or wait you think twitter and ******** are cutting edge innovative tech? Lolthe average peasant in europe makes more than the average peasant in north america. yes.
one of the differnces is though, the average peasant here has a good chance of moving up the socioeconomic ranks whereas in europe that is statistically unlikely.
you ever wonder why it is that most innovations seem to come from the US and not from europe? europeans arent dumber than americans. why?
one of the differnces is though, the average peasant here has a good chance of moving up the socioeconomic ranks whereas in europe that is statistically unlikely.
you ever wonder why it is that most innovations seem to come from the US and not from europe? europeans arent dumber than americans. why?

Btw ever heard of JET, CERN, ITER or ASML?
Anyway, the average person has a better life in (western) europe than the US and is richer, that's a fact so don't know why you're coping so hard.
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[QUOTE=****inator post_id=1656289193]Lol what? Europe is extremely innovative and at the fore front of cutting edge tech. Or wait you think twitter and ******** are cutting edge innovative tech? Lol
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/VX6Tzv3IMG]
Btw ever heard of JET, CERN, ITER or ASML?
Anyway, the average person has a better life in (western) europe than the US and is richer, that's a fact so don't know why you're coping so hard.[/QUOTE]Define better life, because according to your sources, Romanians are living a better life than Canadians lol.
And ya social media is (or was) definitely innovative. Look how many people use social media across the world for all sorts of purposes. I wouldn’t call research papers innovative though.
But I’m talking tech/pharma innovations, the US dominates in that regard. Why do you think that is?
And I don’t need to cope brah, I have an EU citizenship lol. I can move there anytime I want.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/VX6Tzv3IMG]
Btw ever heard of JET, CERN, ITER or ASML?
Anyway, the average person has a better life in (western) europe than the US and is richer, that's a fact so don't know why you're coping so hard.[/QUOTE]Define better life, because according to your sources, Romanians are living a better life than Canadians lol.
And ya social media is (or was) definitely innovative. Look how many people use social media across the world for all sorts of purposes. I wouldn’t call research papers innovative though.
But I’m talking tech/pharma innovations, the US dominates in that regard. Why do you think that is?
And I don’t need to cope brah, I have an EU citizenship lol. I can move there anytime I want.
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