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02-19-2022, 07:25 AM
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I'm refinishing hardwood floor today, any helpful miscers?
I have a room at the front of my house - 25 x 15, and it's open to my dining room, maybe 12 x 15.
I'm going to turn the room into a game room, my parents are moving and they want me to have the full size pool table in their basement. I live alone and this "Living room" or "sitting room" is pretty much wasted space. But once the pool table is in, it's pretty heavy to move, I'd probably need 6 lifting miscers to help and I don't think there are that many left.
So I need to refinish the floors before it goes in next Fri or Sat. I'm renting a drum sander this afternoon through tomorrow, and plan to use 36, 60, and 100 grit.
36 and 60 grit today, then fill the gaps with wood putty and let it dry overnight
100 grit tomorrow,
and here's where my questions begin:
then sanding sealer? 2 coats? I saw this on only 1 of the videos I watched, but the floor looked nice when done
The job is going to be pretty inexpensive, so I don't mind paying for premium products -what is the best poly I can get to seal the floor?If you know of a specific product available at Home Depot, Menards, or Lowes I have all 3 within 15 minutes.
How about finish? The floor is oak, I believe red oak, but it could be white oak, I really don't know it looks like white oak with some red tones. I don't think I want high gloss, but maybe semi - gloss? or satin? I'm thinking semigloss might be stronger, I vaguely remember my ex-father-in-law tell me something like that.
Thanks for any help or suggestions in advance.
I'm going to turn the room into a game room, my parents are moving and they want me to have the full size pool table in their basement. I live alone and this "Living room" or "sitting room" is pretty much wasted space. But once the pool table is in, it's pretty heavy to move, I'd probably need 6 lifting miscers to help and I don't think there are that many left.
So I need to refinish the floors before it goes in next Fri or Sat. I'm renting a drum sander this afternoon through tomorrow, and plan to use 36, 60, and 100 grit.
36 and 60 grit today, then fill the gaps with wood putty and let it dry overnight
100 grit tomorrow,
and here's where my questions begin:
then sanding sealer? 2 coats? I saw this on only 1 of the videos I watched, but the floor looked nice when done
The job is going to be pretty inexpensive, so I don't mind paying for premium products -what is the best poly I can get to seal the floor?If you know of a specific product available at Home Depot, Menards, or Lowes I have all 3 within 15 minutes.
How about finish? The floor is oak, I believe red oak, but it could be white oak, I really don't know it looks like white oak with some red tones. I don't think I want high gloss, but maybe semi - gloss? or satin? I'm thinking semigloss might be stronger, I vaguely remember my ex-father-in-law tell me something like that.
Thanks for any help or suggestions in advance.
02-19-2022, 07:56 AM
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I have refinished wood floors a few times flipping homes. I hate wood floor finishers because they take forever to cure unless you cut them with something like mineral spirits. Plus I purchased from Home Depot’s mistake rack which made it cheap. Reviver from Minwax worked well for me on a small floor I did but it’s a small bottle. For the shine yes semi gloss is glossier than satin and gloss is shinier than semi gloss. So it’s your preference. I don’t like really shiny floors so satin is what I usually used.
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02-19-2022, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted By OT2000⏩
what is cure time? I see it says up to a week min 4 days. I'll have 5 days max before the pool table goes in...I have refinished wood floors a few times flipping homes. I hate wood floor finishers because they take forever to cure unless you cut them with something like mineral spirits. Plus I purchased from Home Depot’s mistake rack which made it cheap. Reviver from Minwax worked well for me on a small floor I did but it’s a small bottle. For the shine yes semi gloss is glossier than satin and gloss is shinier than semi gloss. So it’s your preference. I don’t like really shiny floors so satin is what I usually used.
I was going to use the Varathane high traffic poly. it says 10 hours dry time. So, Sunday I should have time to get a coat of sanding sealer on, sand it down, and put a coat of Poly on before bed. Then another coat before work and a coat after on Monday. Then the pool table is delivered on the next Sat. It's really dry here this time on the, relative humidity is about 25% right now, so that should help translate to faster dry times..22
02-19-2022, 08:20 AM
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Not helpful here other than to say good luck, Brah.
02-19-2022, 08:25 AM
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02-19-2022, 08:27 AM
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5 days should be enough to move the table in as long as you're not dragging anything around and throw down some tarps to walk on. IME the finish is pretty much considered cured when the smell is gone, mostly temperature dependent, so hopefully its warm in Uranus.
Careful with that drum sander. I assume the floor is pretty bad or your removing stain, that's why all the way down to 36 grit? You can get pretty far with a buffer and sanding screens if not. Always a tough call though.
Also, make sure your dust collection is on point and you're vacuuming and wiping down between sandings and coats, that's probably the #1 path to a nice finish.
Careful with that drum sander. I assume the floor is pretty bad or your removing stain, that's why all the way down to 36 grit? You can get pretty far with a buffer and sanding screens if not. Always a tough call though.
Also, make sure your dust collection is on point and you're vacuuming and wiping down between sandings and coats, that's probably the #1 path to a nice finish.
02-19-2022, 08:32 AM
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There is more to it than just the drum sander. You will need to get an edger too. It's back breaking. You got the correct grits for the job. After you finish with the drum sanding and edging you need to sand again with a buffer. I did floors with my dad for 10 years or so when I was a teenager so I may not remember everything. He liked this polyurethane called Lenmar from home Depot. It was just as good as as the more expensive minwax brand. Your floor probably is red oak. It looks good with a natural finish so no stain. Semi gloss looked the best and did a good job of hiding minor defects. I don't know which video you seen so I miybe telling you things you already know, but after you apply the 1st coat of finish wait a day or so and when you come back if it feels dry to the touch you need to buff it again with the buffer and a really worn out fine screen. You have to be kind of quick with the buffing or you will go through the finish and back into bare wood. Then you clean and vacuum all the dust really good and tack the floor with a damp towel on a push broom. Then you can apply a 2nd coat of polyurethane. If you want 3 coats skip the buffing after the 1st coat and do it after the 2nd. If you have urine stains from animals they will show up in the new finish unless you really get them out with the drum.
02-19-2022, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
There are some areas of heavy wear (specifically the dining room area under the table from chairs)9, but I really don't want to damage the floors, and I think the 36 grit is where my inexperience could cause problems. I'd love to start with 50 if you think that would be enough.5 days should be enough to move the table in as long as you're not dragging anything around and throw down some tarps to walk on. IME the finish is pretty much considered cured when the smell is gone, mostly temperature dependent, so hopefully its warm in Uranus.
Careful with that drum sander. I assume the floor is pretty bad or your removing stain, that's why all the way down to 36 grit? You can get pretty far with a buffer and sanding screens if not. Always a tough call though.
Also, make sure your dust collection is on point and you're vacuuming and wiping down between sandings and coats, that's probably the #1 path to a nice finish.
Careful with that drum sander. I assume the floor is pretty bad or your removing stain, that's why all the way down to 36 grit? You can get pretty far with a buffer and sanding screens if not. Always a tough call though.
Also, make sure your dust collection is on point and you're vacuuming and wiping down between sandings and coats, that's probably the #1 path to a nice finish.
All the videos I've watched start with 36 for a full refinish. When I started thinking about this project I was going to stain, but since I'm going natural, maybe I can start with a higher grit.
02-19-2022, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted By 29erbrah⏩
awesome advice here, thanks! I do intend to rent the edger as well, I just didn't mention in the op. Everything I've seen says you can generally get away with 2 sandings with the edger, so I was going to use intermediate grits.There is more to it than just the drum sander. You will need to get an edger too. It's back breaking. You got the correct grits for the job. After you finish with the drum sanding and edging you need to sand again with a buffer. I did floors with my dad for 10 years or so when I was a teenager so I may not remember everything. He liked this polyurethane called Lenmar from home Depot. It was just as good as as the more expensive minwax brand. Your floor probably is red oak. It looks good with a natural finish so no stain. Semi gloss looked the best and did a good job of hiding minor defects. I don't know which video you seen so I miybe telling you things you already know, but after you apply the 1st coat of finish wait a day or so and when you come back if it feels dry to the touch you need to buff it again with the buffer and a really worn out fine screen. You have to be kind of quick with the buffing or you will go through the finish and back into bare wood. Then you clean and vacuum all the dust really good and tack the floor with a damp towel on a push broom. Then you can apply a 2nd coat of polyurethane. If you want 3 coats skip the buffing after the 1st coat and do it after the 2nd. If you have urine stains from animals they will show up in the new finish unless you really get them out with the drum.
02-19-2022, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted By nothingshocking⏩
You'll have to use your best judgement based on the existing floor, how bad it is, how thick, etc. Coarse paper gets faster results and faster fuk ups. I know the process from hiring flooring contractors in houses I've built and remodeled but don't have much hands on time with drum sanders, tons of time with edgers and buffers tho. If you're just removing the old finish and not trying to remove a substantial amount of wood I'd think 50/60 grit would be a reasonable place to start.There are some areas of heavy wear, but I really don't want to damage the floors, and I think the 36 grit is where my inexperience could cause problems. I'd love to start with 50 if you think that would be enough.
All the videos I've watched start with 36 for a full refinish. When I started thinking about this project I was going to stain, but since I'm going natural, maybe I can start with a higher grit.
All the videos I've watched start with 36 for a full refinish. When I started thinking about this project I was going to stain, but since I'm going natural, maybe I can start with a higher grit.
02-19-2022, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
I appreciate the advice, I'll probably start with a higher grit as long as it will remove the prior finish.You'll have to use your best judgement based on the existing floor, how bad it is, how thick, etc. Coarse paper gets faster results and faster fuk ups. I know the process from hiring flooring contractors in houses I've built and remodeled but don't have much hands on time with drum sanders, tons of time with edgers and buffers tho. If you're just removing the old finish and not trying to remove a substantial amount of wood I'd think 50/60 grit would be a reasonable place to start.
02-19-2022, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted By nothingshocking⏩
For me it’s typically humid whether I’m in Fl or NC so drying times vary heavily. I’ve come back several days later and it’s still sticky. That is why I dilute it a little. The Reviver stuff I didn’t have the problem with.what is cure time? I see it says up to a week min 4 days. I'll have 5 days max before the pool table goes in...
I was going to use the Varathane high traffic poly. it says 10 hours dry time. So, Sunday I should have time to get a coat of sanding sealer on, sand it down, and put a coat of Poly on before bed. Then another coat before work and a coat after on Monday. Then the pool table is delivered on the next Sat. It's really dry here this time on the, relative humidity is about 25% right now, so that should help translate to faster dry times..22
I was going to use the Varathane high traffic poly. it says 10 hours dry time. So, Sunday I should have time to get a coat of sanding sealer on, sand it down, and put a coat of Poly on before bed. Then another coat before work and a coat after on Monday. Then the pool table is delivered on the next Sat. It's really dry here this time on the, relative humidity is about 25% right now, so that should help translate to faster dry times..22
Since it’s low humidity by you, I think you won’t have that issue. If you don’t see curing though at that low humidity within a day or two, I would do a light sand and reapply.
The Varathane product should be fine. I used one once, it worked well.
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02-19-2022, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted By SuperHercules⏩
The hardwood is already installed, I'm just refinishing. Plus the ones that don't feel like you are walking on a floating floor are almost as expensive as hardwood anyway.8Why don't you just use laminate? It's cheaper, less of a hassle, and looks almost the same
02-19-2022, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted By OT2000⏩
awesome, thanks againFor me it’s typically humid whether I’m in Fl or NC so drying times vary heavily. I’ve come back several days later and it’s still sticky. That is why I dilute it a little. The Reviver stuff I didn’t have the problem with.
Since it’s low humidity by you, I think you won’t have that issue. If you don’t see curing though at that low humidity within a day or two, I would do a light sand and reapply.
The Varathane product should be fine. I used one once, it worked well.
Since it’s low humidity by you, I think you won’t have that issue. If you don’t see curing though at that low humidity within a day or two, I would do a light sand and reapply.
The Varathane product should be fine. I used one once, it worked well.
02-19-2022, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
Yeah, I get that it's an all day 2 day project. I've got my 12 year old son helping me. I imagine following behind with the shop vac mostly, and help with everything except the actual sanding. Should save a little time. I'm hoping to get the sanding done today and tomorrow, and then the finishing products tomorrow and Monday, so I've got 3 days budgeted, but the last mainly drying time.This post was pretty accurate.
I've only done hardwood floors once in my lifetime. Did a living room, a hallway, and a few bedrooms in my house when I moved in. Removed old shag carpet first, and the floors were not taken care of well, but the restoration turned out pretty well anyway.
First of all, understand that restoring hardwood floors is a huge pain in the asss. It's very time consuming. Be prepared to dedicate like 2 - 3 days to doing it all if you're doing it alone, and that's assuming you don't screw around much. Make sure the griders you use have good vacuum bags on them, and use a good dust mask when you're doing it. Close the vents in the rooms being done when working, or it'll make a huge mess of your ventilation system regarless of how good the vacuums work. Vacuum the chit out any leftover dust when you're done sanding. Might need bleach to clear spots the sander just can't get on it's own, if stains are an issue. Like this poster said, you need an edger as well as a main push grinder. Be prepared to do anywhere from like 4 - 10 passes depending on how bad a spot may be.
As to the stain, go with a darker wood color unless you're hellbent on a lighter color. Covers old chit up better. For clear coat, do 3 coats in lower traffic areas, 4 coats in high traffic areas. If you buy stuff from a chain hardware store like Home Depot, don't be surprised if it doesn't turn out perfectly even if you do a great job applying it. Get stuff from a legit flooring company if you want perfection.
Also, be prepared to notice every small scratch that shows up in the floors after you get them done. Don't try to do elaborate fixes. Just accept that it's a fact of living in a home with hardwood floors. For repairs, just buy some of those wood markers that match the color decently. They work surprisingly well for what amounts to coloring in scratches with a permanent marker.
I've only done hardwood floors once in my lifetime. Did a living room, a hallway, and a few bedrooms in my house when I moved in. Removed old shag carpet first, and the floors were not taken care of well, but the restoration turned out pretty well anyway.
First of all, understand that restoring hardwood floors is a huge pain in the asss. It's very time consuming. Be prepared to dedicate like 2 - 3 days to doing it all if you're doing it alone, and that's assuming you don't screw around much. Make sure the griders you use have good vacuum bags on them, and use a good dust mask when you're doing it. Close the vents in the rooms being done when working, or it'll make a huge mess of your ventilation system regarless of how good the vacuums work. Vacuum the chit out any leftover dust when you're done sanding. Might need bleach to clear spots the sander just can't get on it's own, if stains are an issue. Like this poster said, you need an edger as well as a main push grinder. Be prepared to do anywhere from like 4 - 10 passes depending on how bad a spot may be.
As to the stain, go with a darker wood color unless you're hellbent on a lighter color. Covers old chit up better. For clear coat, do 3 coats in lower traffic areas, 4 coats in high traffic areas. If you buy stuff from a chain hardware store like Home Depot, don't be surprised if it doesn't turn out perfectly even if you do a great job applying it. Get stuff from a legit flooring company if you want perfection.
Also, be prepared to notice every small scratch that shows up in the floors after you get them done. Don't try to do elaborate fixes. Just accept that it's a fact of living in a home with hardwood floors. For repairs, just buy some of those wood markers that match the color decently. They work surprisingly well for what amounts to coloring in scratches with a permanent marker.
Good advice about the ventilation, I was going to seal the room with a tarp and turn off the house circulation fan, but maybe I'll cover the vents too.
02-19-2022, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted By nothingshocking⏩
Yes you can get the edging done in 2 cuts. The edges near walls don't get any foot traffic so they are usually in good shape. If the floor is in decent shape with no stains or slashes from cutting carpet skip the 36 grit sanding.awesome advice here, thanks! I do intend to rent the edger as well, I just didn't mention in the op. Everything I've seen says you can generally get away with 2 sandings with the edger, so I was going to use intermediate grits.
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