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Based. Will watch this.
I do think it's fishy how propagandized the media's response to this situation is.
I do think it's fishy how propagandized the media's response to this situation is.
02-26-2022, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted By whitepaper⏩
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=181133303Nope. Link please
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02-26-2022, 03:21 PM
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02-26-2022, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted By mikebadg3⏩
Me too.Intuitive mind asks why there's only one side to the story and why that isn't the only narrative. I feel so bad for Ukrainian people they do not deserve this
Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
I feel for Ukraine being caught in the middle. If the are able to rebuff takeover by Russia I believe their only chance is to declare neutrality like Switzerland...they should deny installations from either side. Could maybe get into the banking business too.Here's the quandary for me:
1) Russia says NATO promised it would not expand into Eastern Europe (way back in the early 90s - apparently the promise was a verbal one, written in the minutes of the meeting and thus not official).
2) NATO and US say, they never promised that and they have every right to accept any member who wants to be part of NATO.
3) Since 2014, Ukraine has been literally begging to be part of NATO and yet it was constantly denied.
4) The Russian military buildup has been going on for months in front of the whole world; every military analyst said Ukraine was in danger of being attacked and yet still NATO refused to accept Ukraine.
5) When Russia openly supported the independence of the breakaway Republics, NATO still would not accept Ukraine. At this point, if the US wanted, we could have given some form of security guarantee or fast-forwarded Ukraine's acceptance into NATO if we were serious about Ukraine's security. But we did nothing except cry and scream that Russia will invade.
So if I were a Ukrainian, I would not only be pissed off with Russia, but I'd also be very pissed off at NATO and the US for leading us on without any intention of following through.
Oh and Taiwan is probably sh*tting their pants wondering if China tries anything, will the US come to its defense? Sure, we have security agreements and military cooperation but is Biden's admin strong enough to take on China on behalf of Taiwan even if it means severely compromising its own security? (especially economic?)
1) Russia says NATO promised it would not expand into Eastern Europe (way back in the early 90s - apparently the promise was a verbal one, written in the minutes of the meeting and thus not official).
2) NATO and US say, they never promised that and they have every right to accept any member who wants to be part of NATO.
3) Since 2014, Ukraine has been literally begging to be part of NATO and yet it was constantly denied.
4) The Russian military buildup has been going on for months in front of the whole world; every military analyst said Ukraine was in danger of being attacked and yet still NATO refused to accept Ukraine.
5) When Russia openly supported the independence of the breakaway Republics, NATO still would not accept Ukraine. At this point, if the US wanted, we could have given some form of security guarantee or fast-forwarded Ukraine's acceptance into NATO if we were serious about Ukraine's security. But we did nothing except cry and scream that Russia will invade.
So if I were a Ukrainian, I would not only be pissed off with Russia, but I'd also be very pissed off at NATO and the US for leading us on without any intention of following through.
Oh and Taiwan is probably sh*tting their pants wondering if China tries anything, will the US come to its defense? Sure, we have security agreements and military cooperation but is Biden's admin strong enough to take on China on behalf of Taiwan even if it means severely compromising its own security? (especially economic?)
I read that Russia has destroyed these US biolabs, but I haven't followed up to confirm:
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Originally Posted By whitepaper⏩
I'm not going to claim Putin is evil. But going get a bunch of Russian & Ukrainian soldiers killed along with innocent Civilian Ukrainians and destroying their cities just for the sake of political posturing is a bit, much.No one is justifying it, but for it to be framed as "good guys" vs "bad guys" is very one dimensional, and to just blame it on Putin/Russia being evil is so dismissive.
The simple truth of the matter is a bunch of people are going to die. Just because they were born living next to Russia.
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Originally Posted By whitepaper⏩
Uhh yeah I mean I thought all that was pretty obviousNato/West keep poking at Russia
Ukraine is just a pawn in the proxy war
No real intention to save Ukraine/add them to Nato
Lots of sketchy behavior to surround Russia militarily
Lots of double standards around what's happening/the media's take on the conflict
No different from when the US went ape shiit when Russia was putting missiles in Cuba threatening its sovereignty
How would US react if Russia orchestrated government change in Mexico, and had Mexico join some military alliance threatening the US
Gas/energy industry pushing for Russia conflict/sanctions to limit Russia's supply to Europe, and replace it with US liquefied natural gas
Puts things into a different perspective, and feel for Ukies being used as cannon fodder
Ukraine is just a pawn in the proxy war
No real intention to save Ukraine/add them to Nato
Lots of sketchy behavior to surround Russia militarily
Lots of double standards around what's happening/the media's take on the conflict
No different from when the US went ape shiit when Russia was putting missiles in Cuba threatening its sovereignty
How would US react if Russia orchestrated government change in Mexico, and had Mexico join some military alliance threatening the US
Gas/energy industry pushing for Russia conflict/sanctions to limit Russia's supply to Europe, and replace it with US liquefied natural gas
Puts things into a different perspective, and feel for Ukies being used as cannon fodder
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
Quite a recurring precedentI'm not going to claim Putin is evil. But going get a bunch of Russian & Ukrainian soldiers killed along with innocent Civilian Ukrainians and destroying their cities just for the sake of political posturing is a bit, much.
The simple truth of the matter is a bunch of people are going to die. Just because they were born living next to Russia.
The simple truth of the matter is a bunch of people are going to die. Just because they were born living next to Russia.
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02-26-2022, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted By ConTroLFreaKK⏩
One of the few Universities not full of retards too.This guy explains how the west propped up Ukraine to use as a pawn against Russia pretty accurately. I honestly feel so bad for Ukrainians.
02-26-2022, 05:54 PM
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[QUOTE=ConTroLFreaKK post_id=1656947673]This guy explains how the west propped up Ukraine to use as a pawn against Russia pretty accurately. I honestly feel so bad for Ukrainians.
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[youtube]JrMiSQAGOS4[/youtube[/QUOTE]That second video keeps popping up on youtube for me lately. I should take the time to watch it.
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[youtube]JrMiSQAGOS4[/youtube[/QUOTE]That second video keeps popping up on youtube for me lately. I should take the time to watch it.
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Originally Posted By ConTroLFreaKK⏩
Every person here should watch this guyThis guy explains how the west propped up Ukraine to use as a pawn against Russia pretty accurately. I honestly feel so bad for Ukrainians.
He foreshowed what would happen if we tried to make Ukraine a western democracy. Must watch srs
02-26-2022, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
I don't see how you see this as political posturing? Clearly he sees this as an attempt at bolstering national security by ensuring the enemies aren't at his doorstep.I'm not going to claim Putin is evil. But going get a bunch of Russian & Ukrainian soldiers killed along with innocent Civilian Ukrainians and destroying their cities just for the sake of political posturing is a bit, much.
The simple truth of the matter is a bunch of people are going to die. Just because they were born living next to Russia.
The simple truth of the matter is a bunch of people are going to die. Just because they were born living next to Russia.
I don't think it's a secret that the neo-cons in the US harbor ill-will towards Russia, and Ukraine joining NATO is simply one step closer to surrounding Russia. Right or wrong, can you blame them for wanting to ensure there's a buffer between Russia and what they see as the hostile West?
Realistically, these conflicts happen all over--the difference now is just the flavor is nation on nation. No different than any other group of people dying because they were born X. I don't understand why all of the sudden people are coming out in waves, "oh muh gosh! ppl are dying!"
I guess we'll just have to wait for the media to move on in a few weeks time, following any significant news/reports
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02-26-2022, 07:57 PM
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^^^So even more evidence the US is under an extremist regime and is making us the enemy. They are weakening the US while simultaneously empowering very dangerous world governments
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In other news…
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Originally Posted By Archangel_Lost⏩
This was news to meUhh yeah I mean I thought all that was pretty obvious
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
That second video keeps popping up on youtube for me lately. I should take the time to watch it.
Originally Posted By Babayagawick85⏩
Definitely worth the watchEvery person here should watch this guy
He foreshowed what would happen if we tried to make Ukraine a western democracy. Must watch srs
He foreshowed what would happen if we tried to make Ukraine a western democracy. Must watch srs
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Not surprised. I suspect the Chinese lobby is super powerful, and largely under wraps, while all eyes are on other targets/Russia, etc.^^^So even more evidence the US is under an extremist regime and is making us the enemy. They are weakening the US while simultaneously empowering very dangerous world governments
In other news…
https://dailyangle.com/articles/bide...ese-communists
Liberal DOJ shut down an anti espionage program that has successfully rooted out 8 Chinese spies now, one of which was the recent case dealing with the Harvard professor that was giving research secrets to the CCP, stating its “racist”.
In other news…
https://dailyangle.com/articles/bide...ese-communists
Liberal DOJ shut down an anti espionage program that has successfully rooted out 8 Chinese spies now, one of which was the recent case dealing with the Harvard professor that was giving research secrets to the CCP, stating its “racist”.
I suspect it'll be too late to counter much of China's progress in the coming decade, as it will be far too late. But we can go on and on about how the US has looked the other way (knowingly or unknowingly) when it came to Chinese progress.
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Cliffs are the Ukranians foolishly allowed themselves to be used by globohomo to get at Russia.
Its baffling that they thought this might end any other way really.
Within the coming months I suspect they will be regretting that decision.
And all you have to do is compare this invasion to the sacking of Allepo in Syria. That city was fukin levelled. This is in no way shape or form a full on invasion killing everything in sight like in Syria. Seems to be lots of MSM disinfo trying to act like the Ukranians are winning when theres no evidence either way really which is weird in itself how little footage seems to be coming out of the place. And half the stuff that does is blatantly clear Ukranian/globohomo propaganda.
That car that got run over by the tank looks very suspicious. There are no Z signs on any of that equipment and I just saw another angle from a different building where some "russians" roll up in a big army truck get killed and in that process you see that tank go skidding past and run over the car with the old man in it.
To me the above looks like the different pro russian and pro ukranian forces fighting each other not the actual russian Z invasion force. And its very hard to tell who is who id suspect the ones in the vehicles are the pro ukranian forces getting gunned down by pro Russian Civi's.
Its baffling that they thought this might end any other way really.
Within the coming months I suspect they will be regretting that decision.
And all you have to do is compare this invasion to the sacking of Allepo in Syria. That city was fukin levelled. This is in no way shape or form a full on invasion killing everything in sight like in Syria. Seems to be lots of MSM disinfo trying to act like the Ukranians are winning when theres no evidence either way really which is weird in itself how little footage seems to be coming out of the place. And half the stuff that does is blatantly clear Ukranian/globohomo propaganda.
That car that got run over by the tank looks very suspicious. There are no Z signs on any of that equipment and I just saw another angle from a different building where some "russians" roll up in a big army truck get killed and in that process you see that tank go skidding past and run over the car with the old man in it.
To me the above looks like the different pro russian and pro ukranian forces fighting each other not the actual russian Z invasion force. And its very hard to tell who is who id suspect the ones in the vehicles are the pro ukranian forces getting gunned down by pro Russian Civi's.
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Russias hand was forced. USA is a worldwide bully, which is also why its the most powerful country on earth, for now. It doesnt respect other countries, their sovereignty or their borders. When it goes around the world stomping on other countries nobody cares. When someone else does the world has to explode.
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Originally Posted By moosik85⏩
It's one thing to question the current situation, it's another to be given the details of a different assessment. The latter of which this video provides.If you needed a YouTube channel to tell you that everything the legacy media says it’s a lie then I have sum bad newz bruzzie
I don't think it's reasonable to be like, "oh so the majority of media is saying this...so it must be a lie! I don't know what to think or believe, but just that what I am seeing and hearing is a lie!" You really should have some reason supporting the notion, or else you're just as bad and dismissive, but from the other end of the equation.
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Originally Posted By Skylinerd1⏩
Hopefully the Ukies definitely come out all right, and genuinely look at things critically. I worry that all that will happen is that they will just move in any anti-Russian direction, which means they'll be played with again at some point in time.Cliffs are the Ukranians foolishly allowed themselves to be used by globohomo to get at Russia.
Its baffling that they thought this might end any other way really.
Within the coming months I suspect they will be regretting that decision.
And all you have to do is compare this invasion to the sacking of Allepo in Syria. That city was fukin levelled. This is in no way shape or form a full on invasion killing everything in sight like in Syria. Seems to be lots of MSM disinfo trying to act like the Ukranians are winning when theres no evidence either way really which is weird in itself how little footage seems to be coming out of the place. And half the stuff that does is blatantly clear Ukranian/globohomo propaganda.
That car that got run over by the tank looks very suspicious. There are no Z signs on any of that equipment and I just saw another angle from a different building where some "russians" roll up in a big army truck get killed and in that process you see that tank go skidding past and run over the car with the old man in it.
To me the above looks like the different pro russian and pro ukranian forces fighting each other not the actual russian Z invasion force. And its very hard to tell who is who id suspect the ones in the vehicles are the pro ukranian forces getting gunned down by pro Russian Civi's.
Its baffling that they thought this might end any other way really.
Within the coming months I suspect they will be regretting that decision.
And all you have to do is compare this invasion to the sacking of Allepo in Syria. That city was fukin levelled. This is in no way shape or form a full on invasion killing everything in sight like in Syria. Seems to be lots of MSM disinfo trying to act like the Ukranians are winning when theres no evidence either way really which is weird in itself how little footage seems to be coming out of the place. And half the stuff that does is blatantly clear Ukranian/globohomo propaganda.
That car that got run over by the tank looks very suspicious. There are no Z signs on any of that equipment and I just saw another angle from a different building where some "russians" roll up in a big army truck get killed and in that process you see that tank go skidding past and run over the car with the old man in it.
To me the above looks like the different pro russian and pro ukranian forces fighting each other not the actual russian Z invasion force. And its very hard to tell who is who id suspect the ones in the vehicles are the pro ukranian forces getting gunned down by pro Russian Civi's.
Like you said, they can at least breathe a sigh of relief they aren't getting the Syria treatment. Pretty sure if Russia went at this the way they went at Syria, this wouldn't have lasted more than a few days.
100%so fuking strange how little footage we're getting!
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About the whole propaganda and clips/footage etc, I just want to add that when Armenia and Azerbaijan went to war in 2020, Armenians (and their supporters) were blasting pro-Armenian news, info, pics, vids, etc and genuinely made it sound like they were thrashing Azerbaijan. The reality was that Azerbaijan's military had defeated the Armenians and pushed them back from disputed territories.
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
I think this is easier said than done, especially with how limited our news sources are, and how intertwined they are:About the whole propaganda and clips/footage etc, I just want to add that when Armenia and Azerbaijan went to war in 2020, Armenians (and their supporters) were blasting pro-Armenian news, info, pics, vids, etc and genuinely made it sound like they were thrashing Azerbaijan. The reality was that Azerbaijan's military had defeated the Armenians and pushed them back from disputed territories.
Moral of the story is don't fall for sensational news stories and see accounts from both sides and make your own conclusions.
Moral of the story is don't fall for sensational news stories and see accounts from both sides and make your own conclusions.
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Originally Posted By tartface⏩
This. Our govnt is the biggest bully on the planet and Putin doesn't want to end up cucked like Iran, surrounded by aggressive US bases. Sucks that Ukraine trusted the US/NATO. Pretty foolish actually, given the US's constant use of proxy wars against their "enemies" Really should have seen this coming or at least held on to the nukes. What Putin is doing what is in the best interest of Russia. Isn't that what leaders are suppose to do? And I'm not supporting anything, just stating how I see it.Russias hand was forced. USA is a worldwide bully, which is also why its the most powerful country on earth, for now. It doesnt respect other countries, their sovereignty or their borders. When it goes around the world stomping on other countries nobody cares. When someone else does the world has to explode.
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Originally Posted By whitepaper⏩
You just learned all that now? I guess people still can be saved.Nato/West keep poking at Russia
Ukraine is just a pawn in the proxy war
No real intention to save Ukraine/add them to Nato
Lots of sketchy behavior to surround Russia militarily
Lots of double standards around what's happening/the media's take on the conflict
No different from when the US went ape shiit when Russia was putting missiles in Cuba threatening its sovereignty
How would US react if Russia orchestrated government change in Mexico, and had Mexico join some military alliance threatening the US
Gas/energy industry pushing for Russia conflict/sanctions to limit Russia's supply to Europe, and replace it with US liquefied natural gas
Puts things into a different perspective, and feel for Ukies being used as cannon fodder
Ukraine is just a pawn in the proxy war
No real intention to save Ukraine/add them to Nato
Lots of sketchy behavior to surround Russia militarily
Lots of double standards around what's happening/the media's take on the conflict
No different from when the US went ape shiit when Russia was putting missiles in Cuba threatening its sovereignty
How would US react if Russia orchestrated government change in Mexico, and had Mexico join some military alliance threatening the US
Gas/energy industry pushing for Russia conflict/sanctions to limit Russia's supply to Europe, and replace it with US liquefied natural gas
Puts things into a different perspective, and feel for Ukies being used as cannon fodder
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Originally Posted By keyboardworkout⏩
do you believe ukraine was a liberal democracy and a free society? LoLThe enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Soros has gas lit you HARD
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This video is good and half the time of OP's video.
Putin made some nutty demands to the West. It was mostly NATO-related demands.
In the end, I side with Russia. Ukraine was Russia in the very beginning. Ukraine and Russia are very similar.
Putin made some nutty demands to the West. It was mostly NATO-related demands.
In the end, I side with Russia. Ukraine was Russia in the very beginning. Ukraine and Russia are very similar.
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