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Originally Posted By LinuxJon
You're an idiot.

Nobody is worried they're going to turn into a werewolf.

We're not worried about some nefarious plan. We're worried that injecting random alternations will cause cancer or other health issues down the line. How do you think radiation causes cancer?

The Swedish study already established that the vaccine enters the nucleus of liver cell DNA. But you're trusting Pfizer and a political party on their word that it could never cause, say, liver cancer.

Just lmao at the religious faith in the vaccine and drug companies.
Is it this study?:

https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056



If it's that one, you can check my recent post history for an extensive critique of that paper and argument that it doesn't support the anti-vax position at all, but rather reinforces the recommendation to get vaccinated.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
Is it this study?:

https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056



If it's that one, you can check my recent post history for an extensive critique of that paper and argument that it doesn't support the anti-vax position at all, but rather reinforces the recommendation to get vaccinated.
Nope.

This one.

https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73

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Originally Posted By katya422
People like him will just deny deny deny then 2 years from now go “of course it’s gene therapy, we’ve always known that”
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this whole situation looks like a smear campaign to me.


Spoiler!
get it smear campaign
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
Well, the thing is, they aren't gene therapy. Something I've said many times before:


The vaccines can't alter your DNA because they can't access the nucleus; they're not only too large, they lack the molecular signal to gain entrance. A simple evolutionary defense mechanism which evolved to ensure we don't die from everyday bacterial and viral infections. And even if it could enter the nucleus, the vaccine still lacks two enzymes which are required to properly integrate into the DNA. Reverse transcriptase is needed to turn it into DNA (which is the enzyme the virus uses to replicate itself, not us), and it needs integrase to be inserted properly into the genome.


Without all of the above, there can't be any gene therapy or gene integration. Once it is used by the cell to produce the requisite antigen for immune identification, it's consumed very quickly.


EDIT: I just tried to make a lengthy post in the R/P which was well sourced and argued but I hit that lame Access-Denied page. Which was effing stupid and frustrating since I spent so much time on that post. WTF?


Basically, I further the above argument by showing that the vaccine is specifically altered so the spike protein can't get into the cell, let alone the cell nucleus, and get up to shenanigans. This actually reinforces the vaccination stance tenfold, since the paper I was dealing with showed the spike protein interfered with DNA repair and metabolism should it localize subcellularly, but this can only happen with natural infection because the vaccine was altered to prevent this happening.
Originally Posted By Bodhy
What is it with the anti-vaxxers resorting to childish name-calling the second someone corrects their conspiracy theories? Do you know what an ad hominem is?



This is taking Oelrich's words out of context. He knows it isn't gene therapy for the scientific reasons I outlined. Listen to the whole thing with appropriate context and you see he isn't admitting it's gene therapy. What he is saying is that the widespread introduction, success and acceptance of the mRNA vaccine heralds a technological breakthrough and marvel. This isn't saying the vaccines are gene therapy, this is saying that the technology which is the common denominator between the vaccines and gene therapy, due to its massively successful uptake, has been a major milestone for further developments of the technology which could eventually culminate in successful cell and gene therapies further down the road.
Originally Posted By GaloisTheory
If it's gene therapy, then you should be able to show how the vaccine's mechanism of action satisfies the criteria for being classified asgene therapy. The definition ofgene therapybeing used should be well-defined and would, ideally, match what is used by some relevant agency, like the FDA. If someone can demonstrate that, an actual argument will have been made.

Until then, this is nothing but a lazy gotcha and textbook appeal to authority. It's also especially dumb since it's just a business **** hyping up future products at a summit. There isn't even a real expectation of technical accuracy.
This should be the end of the thread. But instead it's full of personal attacks and nonsense.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS FORUM. (Other than the fact that others have already realized this and left)
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Originally Posted By NYPat
This should be the end of the thread. But instead it's full of personal attacks and nonsense.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS FORUM. (Other than the fact that others have already realized this and left)
I didn't make any personal attacks and posted mainly links to videos and studies.

But you don't like the data I shared, so you are whining about the behavior of other people.

We were repeatedly given incomplete information, information biased in how it was reported, assurances that the literally unknowable was in fact known, and just straight up lies.

You need to wake up to the fact that the people in leadership are just people and are subject to the same failings as anyone else [greed, manipulation, general butt covering, incompetence, etc.].

IMO that and worse have been revealed clearly and repeatedly.

Continuing to be mentally lazy and accept whatever the authorities are spouting is a risky play.



Paraphrased:

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To the extent that this system is unfair let's fix it.

The odds that a new system will be better is really really low. You can see that when you look at Russia and China."

"If you want a civilization in which people are able to explore the possibility that there are 30 genders, that want to explore changing gender every day of the week...what you need is a really f*cking masculine military to guard your borders so your enemies don't take advantage of your little experiment. But instead we have done this to our military too. We have flung the gates open to the enemy."

"My hypothesis, one possibility, is that somehow our level of stupidity exceeds what could naturally be explained by confusion. That in fact riddled throughout our technology and media environment are components that were built by people whose interests are not our interests and maybe our level of stupidity is not organic."
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Originally Posted By NYPat
This should be the end of the thread. But instead it's full of personal attacks and nonsense.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS FORUM. (Other than the fact that others have already realized this and left)
This was the end of the thread, no matter how much you want to cry and kick your feet about it
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Originally Posted By katya422
I didn't make any personal attacks and posted mainly links to videos and studies.

But you don't like the data I shared, so you are whining about the behavior of other people.

We were repeatedly given incomplete information, information biased in how it was reported, assurances that the literally unknowable was in fact known, and just straight up lies.

You need to wake up...
Cool story, complete with "wake up".

And lol at not "liking" the "data" you went looking for to confirm your anti-vax nonsense.

I wonder what your track record for being "right" is? At this point you're challenging skylinerd1 for the biggest CT tard on this forum. What's left of it.




Originally Posted By EdwardTheGreat
This was the end of the thread, no matter how much you want to cry and kick your feet about it
Funny how you guys pick and choose when the FDA is credible.
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Originally Posted By NYPat
Cool story, complete with "wake up".

And lol at not "liking" the "data" you went looking for to confirm you're anti-vax nonsense.

I wonder what your track record for being "right" is? At this point you're challenging skylinerd1 for the biggest CT tard on this forum. What's left of it.








Funny how you guys pick and choose when the FDA is credible.
Strong response.

Tell me again how you feel about personal attacks.
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Originally Posted By katya422
Strong response.

Tell me again how you feel about personal attacks.
It's not a personal attack. That should tell you something.

And it's pretty sad when the CDC has to put this out to address the CT nonsense being spread around the internet.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...in%20any%20way.
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Originally Posted By NextPound
More covid threads!
More covid threads!
MORE COVID THREADS!
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Originally Posted By NYPat
Funny how you guys pick and choose when the FDA is credible.
Almost as funny as when you guys pick and choose when the FDA is not credible.

And lol at the cdc document “clarifying” that, even though all previous definitions and globally accepted truths do not apply in this specific case.
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Originally Posted By NYPat
Cool story, complete with "wake up".

And lol at not "liking" the "data" you went looking for to confirm your anti-vax nonsense.

I wonder what your track record for being "right" is? At this point you're challenging skylinerd1 for the biggest CT tard on this forum. What's left of it.








Funny how you guys pick and choose when the FDA is credible.
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Originally Posted By BendinSteel
Go away you fukin paggot no one likes you. Delete your account and be a productive member of society
Fist yourself ***got.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
Already an obvious distortion. The correct answer is that vaccine is abetterway to get immunity from COVID-19. Natural IS better than vaccine immunity. However, the Pharma backed CDC refuses to say so.

Then they say this.



They link to the Kentucky study that has been shredded by experts to prove this claim. The study itself points to several limitations. Why does the CDC not update to show more recent studies that have far better data? Because it goes contrary to the narrative.



https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7032e1_w
Right. Ask Bill Phillips how great his covid immunity was against delta. And there re countless others just like him who thought the same thing but didn't survive.

And it's a good thing this forum isn't public anymore, crap like this thread contributes to the problem.
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Originally Posted By gwg77
Damn. NYPatricia still freaking out about covid. Lmao.
Derp. Ignores the fact that OP made the covid thread and attacks the posters who calls her out for it.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
CDC study showed natural immunity was far greater than vaccine immunity. I'm posting studies and facts.




https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...us-2022-01-19/

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm
My point is that prior infection does not justify not getting vaccinated because you think you're immune/protected.

And pointing out one item from the link I provided and trying to prove it wrong does not mean that what that link says is wrong.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
It actually does. Do so if you want, but I follow the science. And stop spreading misinformation that natural immunity is not protective against delta. Very irresponsible.
It doesn't. And lol at you pretending to be pro vax choice while actively arguing with anyone who questions the anti-vax message.

And I'll say this again, funny how people pick and choose which FDA/CDC is credible when it fits their narrative, yet corrupt propaganda when it doesn't.
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patricia having a mental breakdown in this thread.
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Originally Posted By NYPat
Derp.Ignores the fact that OP made the covid thread and attacks the posters who calls her out for it.
This is a false statement, aka a lie. If you can't recognize lies I can understand why this entire situation has been very trying for you.

This is a refutation, not an attack:
Originally Posted By katya422
But from the guy speaking in the video:

"...ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example of cell or gene therapy ...if we had surveyed 2 years ago the public "would you be willing to take gene or cell therapy and inject it into your body we would have probably had a 95% refusal rate..."
This is also a refutation, not an attack:
Originally Posted By katya422
This is an agreement with a prior post:
Originally Posted By katya422
Repped.

FWIW I KNOW that I previously found and shared a link to a professional geneticist organization which were referring to the mRNA injections as gene therapy.
This is a reply to a question:
Originally Posted By katya422
This is a description [opinion] of your posts, and an opinion on how well that may work out, not an attack:
Originally Posted By katya422
I didn't make any personal attacks and posted mainly links to videos and studies.

But you don't like the data I shared, so you are whining about the behavior of other people.

We were repeatedly given incomplete information, information biased in how it was reported, assurances that the literally unknowable was in fact known, and just straight up lies.

You need to wake up to the fact that the people in leadership are just people and are subject to the same failings as anyone else [greed, manipulation, general butt covering, incompetence, etc.].

IMO that and worse have been revealed clearly and repeatedly.

Continuing to be mentally lazy and accept whatever the authorities are spouting is a risky play.
This is a personal attack. You don't refute anything that I have posted and instead label me as a "CT tard" because [opinion] you are unwilling to even hear anything that goes against your beliefs:
Originally Posted By NYPat
Cool story, complete with "wake up".

And lol at not "liking" the "data" you went looking for to confirm your anti-vax nonsense.

I wonder what your track record for being "right" is?At this point you're challenging skylinerd1 for the biggest CT tard on this forum.What's left of it.

Funny how you guys pick and choose when the FDA is credible.
But you follow it up by saying "It's not a personal attack":
Originally Posted By NYPat
It's not a personal attack. That should tell you something.

And it's pretty sad when the CDC has to put this out to address the CT nonsense being spread around the internet.
When it factually is a personal attack: an attack on the person, not an argument

If you do not enjoy being confronted with reality then you may wish to spend your time elsewhere.
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Originally Posted By katya422
This is a false statement, aka a lie. If you can't recognize lies I can understand why this entire situation has been very trying for you.

This is a refutation, not an attack:



This is also a refutation, not an attack:



This is an agreement with a prior post:



This is a reply to a question:



This is a description [opinion] of your posts, and an opinion on how well that may work out, not an attack:



This is a personal attack. You don't refute anything that I have posted and instead label me as a "CT tard" because [opinion] you are unwilling to even hear anything that goes against your beliefs:



But you follow it up by saying "It's not a personal attack":



When it factually is a personal attack: an attack on the person, not an argument

If you do not enjoy being confronted with reality then you may wish to spend your time elsewhere.
Lmao if you think I'm going to "participate" going back and forth with you and your "information". I spent years doing that (with others) as I watched this forum devolve to what it is now. Go back and look at the responses to Bodhy's posts in every thread now. There's no point. Any link I provide to support actual science gets shot down in an attempt to "win" rather than "see" the other side. The only thing left now is to call crap out for what it is.

And before you ask me why I bother posting, ask yourself why you don't call out actual chit posts in every thread. No, only the left leaning, pro-vaccine posters get attacked.. I'm mean called out.



Originally Posted By Rajc
holy chit NYPat on suicide watch right now

jesus, ethered so hard - i had to take a sip of water after reading the above ^
Derp. And funny how OP didn't call out the personal attacks from everyone who agrees with her. Weird how those "examples" were magically left out.

And for the record, when all you do is post CT crap, you are a CT tard. That's not an insult, it's a factual description.
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Originally Posted By messomi
patricia having a mental breakdown in this thread.
Nah, just sad to see this forum go to absolute chit.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
And calling you a vaxcuck isn't an insult, it's a factual description.

Same goes for calling Bodhy a chit smearing tard, it's not an insult, it's a factual description.

Thanks for playing.
I always love how Patty projects his hysteria and inability to have a sensible discussion onto everyone else. It's definitely not him, it's EVERYONE ELSE who is crazy/the problem.
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Originally Posted By Polaris
I always love how Patty projects his hysteria and inability to have a sensible discussion onto everyone else. It's definitely not him, it's EVERYONE ELSE who is crazy/the problem.
Like I said, I've been down that road thousands of times. Ask Bodhy how every one of his threads/posts goes. I have to give him credit though, he just keeps plugging along. I gave up a long time ago. The people who had actual discussions are gone. Every thread is the same thing - attack anyone who doesn't agree with you, dismiss anything they post as fake news/government propaganda, etc, declare victory. The only thing left to do now is call it out and lol at the hypocrisy when they complain about getting insulted back.




Originally Posted By Anachron
And calling you a vaxcuck isn't an insult, it's a factual description.

Same goes for calling Bodhy a chit smearing tard, it's not an insult, it's a factual description.

Thanks for playing.
False and false. Pro-vaxxer if fine and if I recall Bodhy denies the chit smearing.
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