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03-06-2022, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Unknown.What are the consequences of having the DNA modified?
And, to be clear, at this point there has been one study that found a modification of DNA in human liver cells that was done in vitro [in the lab, not in a living person].
This tells us that it is *possible*, not that it is certain. It would take more study to determine if there are genetic changes taking place in the liver tissue of people that have had the injections.
An obvious seeming place to start IMO would be to check tissue from liver biopsies.
ETA: in this video it is theorized that it might cause the immune system to attack liver cells that are expressing the spike protein.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
yes they do. You have been proven wrong on this many times over..just like everything else..Well, the thing is, they aren't gene therapy. Something I've said many times before:
The vaccines can't alter your DNA because they can't access the nucleus; they're not only too large, they lack the molecular signal to gain entrance. A simple evolutionary defense mechanism which evolved to ensure we don't die from everyday bacterial and viral infections. And even if it could enter the nucleus, the vaccine still lacks two enzymes which are required to properly integrate into the DNA. Reverse transcriptase is needed to turn it into DNA (which is the enzyme the virus uses to replicate itself, not us), and it needs integrase to be inserted properly into the genome.
Without all of the above, there can't be any gene therapy or gene integration. Once it is used by the cell to produce the requisite antigen for immune identification, it's consumed very quickly.
EDIT: I just tried to make a lengthy post in the R/P which was well sourced and argued but I hit that lame Access-Denied page. Which was effing stupid and frustrating since I spent so much time on that post. WTF?
Basically, I further the above argument by showing that the vaccine is specifically altered so the spike protein can't get into the cell, let alone the cell nucleus, and get up to shenanigans. This actually reinforces the vaccination stance tenfold, since the paper I was dealing with showed the spike protein interfered with DNA repair and metabolism should it localize subcellularly, but this can only happen with natural infection because the vaccine was altered to prevent this happening.
The vaccines can't alter your DNA because they can't access the nucleus; they're not only too large, they lack the molecular signal to gain entrance. A simple evolutionary defense mechanism which evolved to ensure we don't die from everyday bacterial and viral infections. And even if it could enter the nucleus, the vaccine still lacks two enzymes which are required to properly integrate into the DNA. Reverse transcriptase is needed to turn it into DNA (which is the enzyme the virus uses to replicate itself, not us), and it needs integrase to be inserted properly into the genome.
Without all of the above, there can't be any gene therapy or gene integration. Once it is used by the cell to produce the requisite antigen for immune identification, it's consumed very quickly.
EDIT: I just tried to make a lengthy post in the R/P which was well sourced and argued but I hit that lame Access-Denied page. Which was effing stupid and frustrating since I spent so much time on that post. WTF?
Basically, I further the above argument by showing that the vaccine is specifically altered so the spike protein can't get into the cell, let alone the cell nucleus, and get up to shenanigans. This actually reinforces the vaccination stance tenfold, since the paper I was dealing with showed the spike protein interfered with DNA repair and metabolism should it localize subcellularly, but this can only happen with natural infection because the vaccine was altered to prevent this happening.
Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line
Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm
"We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure."
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
yes it does..again..Hard to say. Fortunately, these vaccines don't modify DNA in recipients. The virus however, does modify DNA repair mechanisms.
Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line
Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm
We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
03-06-2022, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
That's why I pointed out the important part of that paper - the cell line.yes it does..again..
Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line
Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm
We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line
Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm
We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I also stated it doesn't occur in recipients (in vivo).The details of that study are pretty important.
"The cell model that we used in this study is a carcinoma cell line, with active DNA replication which differs from non-dividing ****tic cells. It has also been shown that Huh7 cells display significant different gene and protein expression including upregulated proteins involved in RNA metabolism [56]."
The investigators essentially forced it, then reported it happened.
"The cell model that we used in this study is a carcinoma cell line, with active DNA replication which differs from non-dividing ****tic cells. It has also been shown that Huh7 cells display significant different gene and protein expression including upregulated proteins involved in RNA metabolism [56]."
The investigators essentially forced it, then reported it happened.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Hard to say. Fortunately, these vaccines don't modify DNA inrecipients. The virus however, does modify DNA repair mechanisms.
03-06-2022, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Actually no.There was a biodistribution study in Japan as well showing longer term timelines for spike proteins/LNP being found in various cell sites in the body up to 60 days post shot. Bottom line is there is evidence to support that: the shots linger longer in the body than they said, there is evidence that they enter the cell nucleus and can impair function... it enters and remains in there which has potential downstream to allow your body to produce more spike proteins of a specific cell type leading to auto immune issues. It's still being researched, but between all the adverse effects and information like this/the Pfizer documents coming out from their trials it's becoming more and more evident that long term studies were needed for these shots and that they never should have been released to the public at all.That's why I pointed out the important part of that paper - the cell line.
I also stated it doesn't occur in recipients (in vivo).
I also stated it doesn't occur in recipients (in vivo).
apparently you didn't read it all..
"Huh7 cells were exposed to BNT162b2, and quantitative PCR was performed on RNA extracted from the cells. We detected high levels of BNT162b2 in Huh7 cells and changes in gene expression of long interspersed nuclear element-1 (LINE-1), which is an endogenous reverse transcriptase
03-06-2022, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
He ain't got chit to say because he knows he's wrongDon't engage him, he'll just post more misinformation - he's just waiting for people to engage.
Just pretend he's not even posting, that's the best approach. He has never engaged in an intellectually honest conversation in the past, and looking at his contributions in this thread, it doesn't look like he's planning to anytime soon.
Just pretend he's not even posting, that's the best approach. He has never engaged in an intellectually honest conversation in the past, and looking at his contributions in this thread, it doesn't look like he's planning to anytime soon.

03-06-2022, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Yep.Actually no.There was a biodistribution study in Japan as well showing longer term timelines for spike proteins/LNP being found in various cell sites in the body up to 60 days post shot. Bottom line is there is evidence to support that: the shots linger longer in the body than they said, there is evidence that they enter the cell nucleus and can impair function... it enters and remains in there which has potential downstream to allow your body to produce more spike proteins of a specific cell type leading to auto immune issues. It's still being researched, but between all the adverse effects and information like this/the Pfizer documents coming out from their trials it's becoming more and more evident that long term studies were needed for these shots and that they never should have been released to the public at all.
apparently you didn't read it all..
"Huh7 cells were exposed to BNT162b2, and quantitative PCR was performed on RNA extracted from the cells. We detected high levels of BNT162b2 in Huh7 cells and changes in gene expression of long interspersed nuclear element-1 (LINE-1), which is an endogenous reverse transcriptase
apparently you didn't read it all..
"Huh7 cells were exposed to BNT162b2, and quantitative PCR was performed on RNA extracted from the cells. We detected high levels of BNT162b2 in Huh7 cells and changes in gene expression of long interspersed nuclear element-1 (LINE-1), which is an endogenous reverse transcriptase
Those in vitro Huh7 cells are what I posted about - a cultured cell line.
The Japan study has been addressed previously and had nothing to do with DNA modification.
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Jabbies are going into full panic mode
Wait until they see the rest of the news coming out soon
Wait until they see the rest of the news coming out soon
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
lol..keep telling yourself that..Yep.
Those in vitro Huh7 cells are what I posted about - a cultured cell line.
The Japan study has been addressed previously and had nothing to do with DNA modification.
Those in vitro Huh7 cells are what I posted about - a cultured cell line.
The Japan study has been addressed previously and had nothing to do with DNA modification.
Concern has been raised regarding the dissemination of the spike protein throughout the body after vaccination. Rather than staying localized at the injection site in order to provoke the immune response and nothing more, spike protein presence has been detected throughout the body of some vaccinated individuals. Furthermore, it appears that some of the circulating spike proteins simply bind the ACE2 receptors without entering the cell, inducing an autoimmune response to the entire cell-spike protein entity. Depending on the cell type that binds the spike protein, any of a number of autoimmune medical conditions can result. More alarmingly, Dr. Levy explains that current evidence shows the spike protein continues to produced in the body, following the initial mRNA injection. He explains: While the underlying pathology remains to be completely defined, one explanation for the problems with thrombotic tendencies and other symptomatology seen with chronic COVID and post-vaccination patients relates directly to the persistent presence of the spike protein part of the coronavirus. Some reports assert that the spike protein can continue to be produced after the initial binding to the ACE2 receptors and entry into some of the cells that it initially targets. The clinical pictures of chronic COVID and post-vaccine toxicity appear very similar, and both are likely due to this continued presence, and body-wide dissemination, of the spike protein (Mendelson et al., 2020; Aucott and Rebman, 2021; Levy, 2021; Raveendran, 2021)
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v17n24.shtml
03-06-2022, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Thanks. But that's also unrelated to the suggestion that covid vaccines modify a recipient's DNA.lol..keep telling yourself that..
Concern has been raised regarding the dissemination of the spike protein throughout the body after vaccination. Rather than staying localized at the injection site in order to provoke the immune response and nothing more, spike protein presence has been detected throughout the body of some vaccinated individuals. Furthermore, it appears that some of the circulating spike proteins simply bind the ACE2 receptors without entering the cell, inducing an autoimmune response to the entire cell-spike protein entity. Depending on the cell type that binds the spike protein, any of a number of autoimmune medical conditions can result. More alarmingly, Dr. Levy explains that current evidence shows the spike protein continues to produced in the body, following the initial mRNA injection. He explains: While the underlying pathology remains to be completely defined, one explanation for the problems with thrombotic tendencies and other symptomatology seen with chronic COVID and post-vaccination patients relates directly to the persistent presence of the spike protein part of the coronavirus. Some reports assert that the spike protein can continue to be produced after the initial binding to the ACE2 receptors and entry into some of the cells that it initially targets. The clinical pictures of chronic COVID and post-vaccine toxicity appear very similar, and both are likely due to this continued presence, and body-wide dissemination, of the spike protein (Mendelson et al., 2020; Aucott and Rebman, 2021; Levy, 2021; Raveendran, 2021)
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v17n24.shtml
Concern has been raised regarding the dissemination of the spike protein throughout the body after vaccination. Rather than staying localized at the injection site in order to provoke the immune response and nothing more, spike protein presence has been detected throughout the body of some vaccinated individuals. Furthermore, it appears that some of the circulating spike proteins simply bind the ACE2 receptors without entering the cell, inducing an autoimmune response to the entire cell-spike protein entity. Depending on the cell type that binds the spike protein, any of a number of autoimmune medical conditions can result. More alarmingly, Dr. Levy explains that current evidence shows the spike protein continues to produced in the body, following the initial mRNA injection. He explains: While the underlying pathology remains to be completely defined, one explanation for the problems with thrombotic tendencies and other symptomatology seen with chronic COVID and post-vaccination patients relates directly to the persistent presence of the spike protein part of the coronavirus. Some reports assert that the spike protein can continue to be produced after the initial binding to the ACE2 receptors and entry into some of the cells that it initially targets. The clinical pictures of chronic COVID and post-vaccine toxicity appear very similar, and both are likely due to this continued presence, and body-wide dissemination, of the spike protein (Mendelson et al., 2020; Aucott and Rebman, 2021; Levy, 2021; Raveendran, 2021)
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v17n24.shtml
03-06-2022, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Literally the point I made earlier itt regarding this thread. No point "discussing" anything when both posters can't agree on basic facts. In this case, the basic facts that the mrna vaccines are not "gene therapy" nor do they change DNA.Just remember, don't engage him, it just gives him an avenue to peddle more misinformation.

03-06-2022, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Derp. Cool story bro.I see you're peddling misinformation too...
Seeing as how I rekt you earlier in the thread, multiple times, I see no need to engage with you anymore either.
Seeing as how I rekt you earlier in the thread, multiple times, I see no need to engage with you anymore either.

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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
DerpLiterally the point I made earlier itt regarding this thread. No point "discussing" anything when both posters can't agree on basic facts. In this case, the basic facts that the mrna vaccines are not "gene therapy" nor do they change DNA.
03-06-2022, 04:18 PM
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...in%20any%20wayDerp
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03-06-2022, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted By EdwardTheGreat⏩
From the link:Irrelevant to this thread.
Derp.
Derp.
"MYTH: COVID-19 vaccines can alter my DNA.
FACT: COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way.
Both messenger RNA (mRNA) and viral vector COVID-19 vaccines work by delivering instructions (genetic material) to our cells to start building protection against the virus that causes COVID-19.
After the body produces an immune response, it discards all the vaccine ingredients just as it would discard any information that cells no longer need. This process is a part of normal body functioning.
The genetic material delivered by mRNA vaccines never enters the nucleus of your cells, which is where your DNA is kept. Viral vector COVID-19 vaccines deliver genetic material to the cell nucleus to allow our cells to build protection against COVID-19. However, the vector virus does not have the machinery needed to integrate its genetic material into our DNA, so it cannot alter our DNA."
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I love how people eat up this concept that the human body is like a computer and medicines are programs that are coded for a singular function. If this were reality then there would be no "side-effects" to medicines. The reality is pharmaceutical companies and medical experts loosely understand the human body and chemicals, and can guesstimate how a new chemical or drug might impact the body. They never have the full scope of effects or truly the mechanisms by which those medicines work, only general ideas.From the link:
"MYTH: COVID-19 vaccines can alter my DNA.
FACT: COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way.
Both messenger RNA (mRNA) and viral vector COVID-19 vaccines work by delivering instructions (genetic material) to our cells to start building protection against the virus that causes COVID-19.
After the body produces an immune response, it discards all the vaccine ingredients just as it would discard any information that cells no longer need. This process is a part of normal body functioning.
The genetic material delivered by mRNA vaccines never enters the nucleus of your cells, which is where your DNA is kept. Viral vector COVID-19 vaccines deliver genetic material to the cell nucleus to allow our cells to build protection against COVID-19. However, the vector virus does not have the machinery needed to integrate its genetic material into our DNA, so it cannot alter our DNA."
"MYTH: COVID-19 vaccines can alter my DNA.
FACT: COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way.
Both messenger RNA (mRNA) and viral vector COVID-19 vaccines work by delivering instructions (genetic material) to our cells to start building protection against the virus that causes COVID-19.
After the body produces an immune response, it discards all the vaccine ingredients just as it would discard any information that cells no longer need. This process is a part of normal body functioning.
The genetic material delivered by mRNA vaccines never enters the nucleus of your cells, which is where your DNA is kept. Viral vector COVID-19 vaccines deliver genetic material to the cell nucleus to allow our cells to build protection against COVID-19. However, the vector virus does not have the machinery needed to integrate its genetic material into our DNA, so it cannot alter our DNA."
Case in point: clicking that link one of the first things you read is "vaccine ingredients are the same ones found in many foods we eat". This is my favorite one-- because it shows truly how stupid the medical industry can be. "Brb your child only gets a cumulative 5mg of aluminum over their entire vaccine schedule, but the average adult eats 50mg
of aluminum per day!". Ok, I also might eat a 500g cheeseburger per day, does that mean I can open up my vein and stick a small piece of that cheeseburger inside and it'll be fine? Absolutely fukking dense.
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03-06-2022, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
I was just pointing out that it's relevant to the thread. The poster I replied to suggested that link was irrelevant.I love how people eat up this concept that the human body is like a computer and medicines are programs that are coded for a singular function. If this were reality then there would be no "side-effects" to medicines. The reality is pharmaceutical companies and medical experts loosely understand the human body and chemicals, and can guesstimate how a new chemical or drug might impact the body. They never have the full scope of effects or truly the mechanisms by which those medicines work, only general ideas.
Case in point: clicking that link one of the first things you read is "vaccine ingredients are the same ones found in many foods we eat". This is my favorite one-- because it shows truly how stupid the medical industry can be. "Brb your child only gets a cumulative 5mg of aluminum over their entire vaccine schedule, but the average adult eats 50mg
of aluminum per day!". Ok, I also might eat a 500g cheeseburger per day, does that mean I can open up my vein and stick a small piece of that cheeseburger inside and it'll be fine? Absolutely fukking dense.
Case in point: clicking that link one of the first things you read is "vaccine ingredients are the same ones found in many foods we eat". This is my favorite one-- because it shows truly how stupid the medical industry can be. "Brb your child only gets a cumulative 5mg of aluminum over their entire vaccine schedule, but the average adult eats 50mg
of aluminum per day!". Ok, I also might eat a 500g cheeseburger per day, does that mean I can open up my vein and stick a small piece of that cheeseburger inside and it'll be fine? Absolutely fukking dense.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
This thread is not about the vaccine altering dna. Thanks for participating, close the door behind you on the way out. Make sure that phaqqot Patty is in front of you.From the link:
"MYTH: COVID-19 vaccines can alter my DNA.
FACT: COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way.
Both messenger RNA (mRNA) and viral vector COVID-19 vaccines work by delivering instructions (genetic material) to our cells to start building protection against the virus that causes COVID-19.
After the body produces an immune response, it discards all the vaccine ingredients just as it would discard any information that cells no longer need. This process is a part of normal body functioning.
The genetic material delivered by mRNA vaccines never enters the nucleus of your cells, which is where your DNA is kept. Viral vector COVID-19 vaccines deliver genetic material to the cell nucleus to allow our cells to build protection against COVID-19. However, the vector virus does not have the machinery needed to integrate its genetic material into our DNA, so it cannot alter our DNA."
"MYTH: COVID-19 vaccines can alter my DNA.
FACT: COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way.
Both messenger RNA (mRNA) and viral vector COVID-19 vaccines work by delivering instructions (genetic material) to our cells to start building protection against the virus that causes COVID-19.
After the body produces an immune response, it discards all the vaccine ingredients just as it would discard any information that cells no longer need. This process is a part of normal body functioning.
The genetic material delivered by mRNA vaccines never enters the nucleus of your cells, which is where your DNA is kept. Viral vector COVID-19 vaccines deliver genetic material to the cell nucleus to allow our cells to build protection against COVID-19. However, the vector virus does not have the machinery needed to integrate its genetic material into our DNA, so it cannot alter our DNA."
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Oh. There are a few others you should inform, including OP
Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
You're an idiot.
Nobody is worried they're going to turn into a werewolf.
We're not worried about some nefarious plan. We're worried that injecting random alternations will cause cancer or other health issues down the line. How do you think radiation causes cancer?
The Swedish study already established that the vaccine enters the nucleus of liver cell DNA. But you're trusting Pfizer and a political party on their word that it could never cause, say, liver cancer.
Just lmao at the religious faith in the vaccine and drug companies.
Nobody is worried they're going to turn into a werewolf.
We're not worried about some nefarious plan. We're worried that injecting random alternations will cause cancer or other health issues down the line. How do you think radiation causes cancer?
The Swedish study already established that the vaccine enters the nucleus of liver cell DNA. But you're trusting Pfizer and a political party on their word that it could never cause, say, liver cancer.
Just lmao at the religious faith in the vaccine and drug companies.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
Its not gene therapy
Its GENE CHAOS
this is like intentionally ingesting a radioactive substance
Its GENE CHAOS
this is like intentionally ingesting a radioactive substance
Originally Posted By katya422⏩
It was already addressed that ONLY including DNA alteration to be "gene therapy" is a distortion of the former definition of the term which has been conveniently made [like the redefinition of what qualifies as a vaccine] to kill any resistance to the "safe and effective" narrative that has been force fed on repeat.
From 2013 International Conference:
From a company flogging their mRNA gene therapy right now:
Hey, this is a recent article about the mRNA injections and they use "gene therapy":
Same freaking article they refer to the mRNA shots as a "therapeutic":
Still the same article- repeated doses could lead to more side effects. They even mention that the bad side effects could be due to a buildup of the lipid nanoparticles; the ones that fuse into liver cells:
article:
https://www.embs.org/pulse/articles/...ion-is-coming/
link to article about the lipid nanoparticles and that the ones that worked best were ones that become part of our liver cells:
https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/...vaccines/99/i8
So which is it then? Will they say "We didn't know that giving boosters would hurt people?" or will they go with "Well of course multiple injections increase the risk. We always said that."
Article about Moderna and their fails re:mRNA therapeutics:
https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/...-trouble-mrna/
Paper about the potential effects of the mRNA injections:
https://dpbh.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dp...1/SENEFF~1.PDF
In B4 "CT tard".
The only thing I'm trying to find and "monger" is the truth. Not my fault if it scares you.
From 2013 International Conference:
From a company flogging their mRNA gene therapy right now:
Hey, this is a recent article about the mRNA injections and they use "gene therapy":
Same freaking article they refer to the mRNA shots as a "therapeutic":
Still the same article- repeated doses could lead to more side effects. They even mention that the bad side effects could be due to a buildup of the lipid nanoparticles; the ones that fuse into liver cells:
article:
https://www.embs.org/pulse/articles/...ion-is-coming/
link to article about the lipid nanoparticles and that the ones that worked best were ones that become part of our liver cells:
https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/...vaccines/99/i8
So which is it then? Will they say "We didn't know that giving boosters would hurt people?" or will they go with "Well of course multiple injections increase the risk. We always said that."
Article about Moderna and their fails re:mRNA therapeutics:
https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/...-trouble-mrna/
Paper about the potential effects of the mRNA injections:
https://dpbh.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dp...1/SENEFF~1.PDF
In B4 "CT tard".
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Unknown.
And, to be clear, at this point there has been one study that found a modification of DNA in human liver cells that was done in vitro [in the lab, not in a living person].
This tells us that it is *possible*, not that it is certain. It would take more study to determine if there are genetic changes taking place in the liver tissue of people that have had the injections.
An obvious seeming place to start IMO would be to check tissue from liver biopsies.
ETA: in this video it is theorized that it might cause the immune system to attack liver cells that are expressing the spike protein.
And, to be clear, at this point there has been one study that found a modification of DNA in human liver cells that was done in vitro [in the lab, not in a living person].
This tells us that it is *possible*, not that it is certain. It would take more study to determine if there are genetic changes taking place in the liver tissue of people that have had the injections.
An obvious seeming place to start IMO would be to check tissue from liver biopsies.
ETA: in this video it is theorized that it might cause the immune system to attack liver cells that are expressing the spike protein.
Originally Posted By Paul
yes they do. You have been proven wrong on this many times over..just like everything else..
Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line
Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm
"We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure."
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Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line
Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm
"We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure."
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Originally Posted By Paul
yes it does..again..
Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line
Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm
We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line
Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm
We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
Originally Posted By Paul
Actually no.There was a biodistribution study in Japan as well showing longer term timelines for spike proteins/LNP being found in various cell sites in the body up to 60 days post shot. Bottom line is there is evidence to support that: the shots linger longer in the body than they said, there is evidence that they enter the cell nucleus and can impair function... it enters and remains in there which has potential downstream to allow your body to produce more spike proteins of a specific cell type leading to auto immune issues. It's still being researched, but between all the adverse effects and information like this/the Pfizer documents coming out from their trials it's becoming more and more evident that long term studies were needed for these shots and that they never should have been released to the public at all.
apparently you didn't read it all..
"Huh7 cells were exposed to BNT162b2, and quantitative PCR was performed on RNA extracted from the cells. We detected high levels of BNT162b2 in Huh7 cells and changes in gene expression of long interspersed nuclear element-1 (LINE-1), which is an endogenous reverse transcriptase
apparently you didn't read it all..
"Huh7 cells were exposed to BNT162b2, and quantitative PCR was performed on RNA extracted from the cells. We detected high levels of BNT162b2 in Huh7 cells and changes in gene expression of long interspersed nuclear element-1 (LINE-1), which is an endogenous reverse transcriptase
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Thread topic:Oh. There are a few others you should inform, including OP
Originally Posted By katya422⏩
from the guy speaking in the video:
"...ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example of cell or gene therapy ...if we had surveyed 2 years ago the public "would you be willing to take gene or cell therapy and inject it into your body we would have probably had a 95% refusal rate..."
"...ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example of cell or gene therapy ...if we had surveyed 2 years ago the public "would you be willing to take gene or cell therapy and inject it into your body we would have probably had a 95% refusal rate..."
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Well, the thing is, they aren't gene therapy.
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
It is literally gene therapy by the CDC's definition.
I don't even understand how anyone can argue against it.
I don't even understand how anyone can argue against it.
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Then you and patty derailed it from here and are arguing points that have nothing to do with the topic of the thread.https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-b...t-gene-therapy
I guess they didn't edit that page yet.
Checkmate.
I guess they didn't edit that page yet.
Checkmate.

By all definitions, the mRNA vaccines are gene therapy.
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Originally Posted By EdwardTheGreat⏩
This is on the first page, before I entered the thread:Thread topic:
Then you and patty derailed it from here and are arguing points that have nothing to do with the topic of the thread.
By all definitions, the mRNA vaccines are gene therapy.
Then you and patty derailed it from here and are arguing points that have nothing to do with the topic of the thread.
By all definitions, the mRNA vaccines are gene therapy.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The location of irrelevant posts within the thread do not determine what the thread topic is.This is on the first page, before I entered the thread:
Toodles.
03-06-2022, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted By EdwardTheGreat⏩
Correct.This thread is not about the vaccine altering dna. Thanks for participating, close the door behind you on the way out. Make sure that phaqqot Patty is in front of you.
The thread was about the use of the term gene therapy which in the past did not mean "a therapy that alters human genes".
This may or may not alter human genes.

TPTB have been gaslighting the public telling us this is not that.
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03-06-2022, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted By EdwardTheGreat⏩
I see, it's not so much that you take issue with the content of a post, but rather the poster.The location of irrelevant posts within the thread do not determine what the thread topic is.
Toodles.
Toodles.
03-06-2022, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Possibly because the term connotes the subject of the paper you posted for many people.Correct.
The thread was about the use of the term gene therapy which in the past did not mean "a therapy that alters human genes".
This may or may not alter human genes.

TPTB have been gaslighting the public telling us this is not that.
The thread was about the use of the term gene therapy which in the past did not mean "a therapy that alters human genes".
This may or may not alter human genes.

TPTB have been gaslighting the public telling us this is not that.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
No he posted something that was irrelevant to the thread and no one continued that…you continued to pursue an irrelevant topic and then argued that the irrelevant tangent was proof that the OP was incorrect.I see, it's not so much that you take issue with the content of a post, but rather the poster.
So I take issue with your dishonesty for the purpose of derailing the thread.
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