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Thread: Vaxcels Back on Suicide watch ...................Again!

post 1657632593 03-09-2022, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Let's just say I'm not surprised you're going to defend him and think he's 100% right. Carry on.
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
And no I'm not worried in the least. I trust what the good people at John Hopkins Medical have to say over CT youtube videos.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...9-vaccine-safe
Originally Posted By EdwardTheGreat⏩
So what is your take on the released Pfizer documents then? Tell us what the black and white data (and grey redactions) mean.
or JHU take on the data from the manufacturer?

Or any thoughts at all?

Why are you concerned about avoiding this?
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do vaxcels think doctors and scientists were putting their career on the line exposing the vax for nothing ?

low iq
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Originally Posted By Paul
But Hendrie was correct...I don't understand your argument..


A RECENT STUDY PUBLISHED ON JANUARY 25, 2022, ON JAMA NETWORK, HAS SHOWN THAT THE RISK OF MYOCARDITIS FOLLOWING MRNA COVID VACCINATION IS AROUND 133 TIMES GREATER THAN THE BACKGROUND RISK IN THE POPULATION.

The study, conducted by researchers from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) as well as from several U.S. universities and hospitals, examined the effects of vaccination with products manufactured by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna. The study’s authors used data obtained from the CDC’s VAERS reporting system which were cross-checked to ensure they complied with CDC’s definition of myocarditis; they also noted that given the passive nature of the VAERS system, the number of reported incidents is likely to be an underestimate of the extent of the phenomenon.

1626 cases of myocarditis were studied, and the results showed that the Pfizer-BioNTech product was most associated with higher risk, with 105.9 cases per million doses after the second vaccine shot in the 16 to 17 age group for males, and 70.7 cases per million doses after the second shot in the 12 to 15 age group for males. The 18 to 24 male age group also saw significantly higher rates of myocarditis for both Pfizer’s and Moderna’s products (52.4 and 56.3 cases per million respectively).


https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321238?s=08
The study used VAERS data in a way it can't really be used.

"Among 192 405 448 persons receiving a total of 354 100 845 mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines during the study period, there were 1991 reports of myocarditis to VAERS and 1626 of these reports met the case definition of myocarditis.

The rates of myocarditis were highest after the second vaccination dose in adolescent males aged 12 to 15 years (70.7 per million doses of the BNT162b2 vaccine), in adolescent males aged 16 to 17 years (105.9 per million doses of the BNT162b2 vaccine), and in young men aged 18 to 24 years (52.4 and 56.3 per million doses of the BNT162b2 vaccine and the mRNA-1273 vaccine, respectively)."

That's about 7.5 per 100,000. The base rate is about 10-20 per 100,000 pre-covid.
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lmao imagine being a jabcel
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The study used VAERS data in a way it can't really be used.

"Among 192 405 448 persons receiving a total of 354 100 845 mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines during the study period, there were 1991 reports of myocarditis to VAERS and 1626 of these reports met the case definition of myocarditis.

The rates of myocarditis were highest after the second vaccination dose in adolescent males aged 12 to 15 years (70.7 per million doses of the BNT162b2 vaccine), in adolescent males aged 16 to 17 years (105.9 per million doses of the BNT162b2 vaccine), and in young men aged 18 to 24 years (52.4 and 56.3 per million doses of the BNT162b2 vaccine and the mRNA-1273 vaccine, respectively)."

That's about 7.5 per 100,000. The base rate is about 10-20 per 100,000 pre-covid.
Nonsense, you can just take a small portion and see the effects.a study published in 2020

List of association footballers who died while playing

FIFA Sudden Death Report

To further understand the scale of the problem, a study, named the FIFA Sudden Death Report (FIFA-SDR), was commissioned by FIFA and carried out by Saarland University. It was published in 2020.[7] The report recorded worldwide deaths attributed to sudden cardiac arrest or other unexplained sudden death while playing (or shortly after playing) football between 2014 and 2018. There were 617 cases during the four-year period. In the majority of cases where an autopsy was carried out, the cause of death was Coronary Heart Disease.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._while_playing
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Originally Posted By Paul
Nonsense, you can just take a small portion and see the effects.a study published in 2020

List of association footballers who died while playing

FIFA Sudden Death Report

To further understand the scale of the problem, a study, named the FIFA Sudden Death Report (FIFA-SDR), was commissioned by FIFA and carried out by Saarland University. It was published in 2020.[7] The report recorded worldwide deaths attributed to sudden cardiac arrest or other unexplained sudden death while playing (or shortly after playing) football between 2014 and 2018. There were 617 cases during the four-year period. In the majority of cases where an autopsy was carried out, the cause of death was Coronary Heart Disease.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._while_playing
What's nonsense?

That's a quote from the study you referenced.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
What's nonsense?

That's a quote from the study you referenced.
context..
105.9 cases per million doses after the second vaccine shot in the 16 to 17 age group for males, and 70.7 cases per million doses after the second shot in the 12 to 15 age group for males. The 18 to 24 male age group also saw significantly higher rates of myocarditis for both Pfizer’s and Moderna’s products (52.4 and 56.3 cases per million respectively).

UK is reporting the same..
The findings showed that myocarditis risk doubled after one jab, doubled again after a second jab and doubled yet again after a third booster jab…..

The Moderna jab, which includes 100 micrograms of mRNA compared to 30 from Pfizer, showed the largest risk among the various shots suggesting “strongly that the heart risks are dose-related and likely to continue to rise with each additional shot,”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...276v1.full.pdf


But we can just look at simple data of deaths ..
COVID Deaths Before and After Vaccination Programs..

Nothing but reports from Hopkins..all countries deaths graphed out..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR-pqrMWu3E&t=12s
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Originally Posted By Paul
context..
105.9 cases per million doses after the second vaccine shot in the 16 to 17 age group for males, and 70.7 cases per million doses after the second shot in the 12 to 15 age group for males. The 18 to 24 male age group also saw significantly higher rates of myocarditis for both Pfizer’s and Moderna’s products (52.4 and 56.3 cases per million respectively).

UK is reporting the same..
The findings showed that myocarditis risk doubled after one jab, doubled again after a second jab and doubled yet again after a third booster jab…..

The Moderna jab, which includes 100 micrograms of mRNA compared to 30 from Pfizer, showed the largest risk among the various shots suggesting “strongly that the heart risks are dose-related and likely to continue to rise with each additional shot,”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...276v1.full.pdf


But we can just look at simple data of deaths ..
COVID Deaths Before and After Vaccination Programs..

Nothing but reports from Hopkins..all countries deaths graphed out..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR-pqrMWu3E&t=12s
Right, about 7-8 per 100,000.

The base rate is 15-20 per 100,000.

The study
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2788346
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Right, about 7-8 per 100,000.

The base rate is 15-20 per 100,000.

The study
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2788346
From the Study..

he crude reporting rates for cases of myocarditis within 7 days after COVID-19 vaccination exceeded the expected rates of myocarditis across multiple age and sex strata. The rates of myocarditis were highest after the second vaccination dose in adolescent males aged 12 to 15 years (70.7 per million doses of the BNT162b2 vaccine), in adolescent males aged 16 to 17 years (105.9 per million doses of the BNT162b2 vaccine), and in young men aged 18 to 24 years (52.4 and 56.3 per million doses of the BNT162b2 vaccine and the mRNA-1273 vaccine, respectively). There were 826 cases of myocarditis among those younger than 30 years of age who had detailed clinical information available; of these cases, 792 of 809 (98%) had elevated troponin levels, 569 of 794 (72%) had abnormal electrocardiogram results, and 223 of 312 (72%) had abnormal cardiac magnetic resonance imaging results. Approximately 96% of persons (784/813) were hospitalized and 87% (577/661) of these had resolution of presenting symptoms by hospital discharge. The most common treatment was nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (589/676; 87%).

Conclusions and Relevance BASED ON PASSIVE SURVEILLANCE REPORTING IN THE US, THE RISK OF MYOCARDITIS AFTER RECEIVING MRNA-BASED COVID-19 VACCINES WAS INCREASED ACROSS MULTIPLE AGE AND SEX STRATA AND WAS HIGHEST AFTER THE SECOND VACCINATION DOSE IN ADOLESCENT MALES AND YOUNG MEN. THIS RISK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE BENEFITS OF COVID-19 VACCINATION.


same here
A Report on Myocarditis Adverse Events in the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) in Association with COVID-19 Injectable Biological Products

https://web.archive.org/web/20211002...es/PMC8483988/
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Originally Posted By Paul
From the Study..

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Minus the typos and all caps, yep.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Minus the typos and all caps, yep.
yup..
https://dailysceptic.org/wp-content/...ble-220126.png
https://dailysceptic.org/wp-content/...ime-220126.png

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2788346


The fake math used by Big Pharma:
(Number of myocarditis) / (ALL vaccinations)

Real math:

(Number of myocarditis in young boys) / (Number of young boys who got myocarditis)

In real math, the numbers are shocking, like 1 in 2700.
That’s why young vaccinated boys are 133 times more likely to get myocarditis than unvaccinated young boys.
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Originally Posted By NextPound⏩
More covid threads!
You didn’t mind before. NPC
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Originally Posted By EasyPassive⏩
Location: UK

LMAOOOOO COPE i'll rather take the vax and die srs

Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
I already gave a very detailed answer the other day about why we really don't need to worry about long-term effects of the vaccine or auto-immune conditions.


When there is not a shred of scientific literate counterargument or counterpoint, and you're basically reduced to "You....you go doody on the walls LOL" it's just rock-solid confirmation I'm in the right on this.
lol wut? myocarditis in healthy teens and elite soccer athletes isnt something to worry about in a NOT-vaccine that has ZERO long term trials against a virus with a less than 5% mortality rate even in people with tons of co-morbidities? THis is the stupidest chit ive heard today and I even make it a point to watch retarded CNN/Fox bull chit to stay up to date on the latest propaganda
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Originally Posted By Paul
yup..
https://dailysceptic.org/wp-content/...ble-220126.png
https://dailysceptic.org/wp-content/...ime-220126.png

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2788346


The fake math used by Big Pharma:
(Number of myocarditis) / (ALL vaccinations)

Real math:

(Number of myocarditis in young boys) / (Number of young boys who got myocarditis)

In real math, the numbers are shocking, like 1 in 2700.
That’s why young vaccinated boys are 133 times more likely to get myocarditis than unvaccinated young boys.
VAERS doesn't track all reported or suspected cases of myocarditis.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
VAERS doesn't track all reported or suspected cases of myocarditis.
Risk of Myopericarditis following COVID-19 mRNA vaccination in a Large Integrated Health System: A Comparison of Completeness and Timeliness of Two Methods

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...1268209v1.full

Conclusion We identified additional valid cases of myopericarditis following an mRNA vaccination that would be missed by the VSD’s search algorithm, which depends on select hospital discharge diagnosis codes. The true incidence of myopericarditis is markedly higher than the incidence reported to US advisory committees. The VSD should validate its search algorithm to improve its sensitivity for myopericarditis.
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩


lol wut? myocarditis in healthy teens and elite soccer athletes isnt something to worry about in a NOT-vaccine that has ZERO long term trials against a virus with a less than 5% mortality rate even in people with tons of co-morbidities? THis is the stupidest chit ive heard today and I even make it a point to watch retarded CNN/Fox bull chit to stay up to date on the latest propaganda
Most cases of myocarditis are in young, otherwise healthy, men.

That's not to say there isn't increased risk from vaccination. But, the risk from infection is higher and many of the blogs that push myocarditis fear seem to ignore base rates.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Risk of Myopericarditis following COVID-19 mRNA vaccination in a Large Integrated Health System: A Comparison of Completeness and Timeliness of Two Methods

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...1268209v1.full

Conclusion We identified additional valid cases of myopericarditis following an mRNA vaccination that would be missed by the VSD’s search algorithm, which depends on select hospital discharge diagnosis codes. The true incidence of myopericarditis is markedly higher than the incidence reported to US advisory committees. The VSD should validate its search algorithm to improve its sensitivity for myopericarditis.
"The purpose of this study was to compare how completely the different methodologies identify post-vaccination myopericarditis."

It's important to consider study goals and methods. Extrapolating inference beyond those elements is risky.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Most cases of myocarditis are in young, otherwise healthy, men.

That's not to say there isn't increased risk from vaccination. But, the risk from infection is higher and many of the blogs that push myocarditis fear seem to ignore base rates.
I see you skipped over the second study I posted..here's a third study..

Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...1268276v1.full

In summary, the risk of hospital admission or death from myocarditis is greater following COVID-19 infection than following vaccination and remains modest following sequential doses of mRNA vaccine including a third booster dose of BNT162b in the overall population. However, the risk of myocarditis following vaccination is consistently higher in younger males, particularly following a second dose of RNA mRNA-1273 vaccine.


The researchers found that while there were seven additional myocarditis events per million in the 28 days following COVID-19 infection (95% Confidence Interval CI: 2, 11), there were 14 following an AstraZeneca second dose CI: 8,17, 12 following a Pfizer second dose CI: 1,7, 101 following a Moderna second dose CI: 95,104, and 13 following a Pfizer third dose CI: 7,15. These findings are depicted above. Most of these figures represent a doubling of the risk compared with infection. However, the Moderna second dose figure is a massive 14.4 times greater. The Moderna vaccine uses a similar mRNA technology to the Pfizer vaccine, but delivers a dose three times as large, which may partly explain the difference.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
"The purpose of this study was to compare how completely the different methodologies identify post-vaccination myopericarditis."

It's important to consider study goals and methods. Extrapolating inference beyond those elements is risky.
Take your own advice and your dr's. Please take your medication.
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Originally Posted By Paul
I see you skipped over the second study I posted..here's a third study..

Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...1268276v1.full

In summary, the risk of hospital admission or death from myocarditis is greater following COVID-19 infection than following vaccination and remains modest following sequential doses of mRNA vaccine including a third booster dose of BNT162b in the overall population. However, the risk of myocarditis following vaccination is consistently higher in younger males, particularly following a second dose of RNA mRNA-1273 vaccine.


The researchers found that while there were seven additional myocarditis events per million in the 28 days following COVID-19 infection (95% Confidence Interval CI: 2, 11), there were 14 following an AstraZeneca second dose CI: 8,17, 12 following a Pfizer second dose CI: 1,7, 101 following a Moderna second dose CI: 95,104, and 13 following a Pfizer third dose CI: 7,15. These findings are depicted above. Most of these figures represent a doubling of the risk compared with infection. However, the Moderna second dose figure is a massive 14.4 times greater. The Moderna vaccine uses a similar mRNA technology to the Pfizer vaccine, but delivers a dose three times as large, which may partly explain the difference.
So relative to infection, vaccination is a better call?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
So relative to infection, vaccination is a better call?
0 jabs + covid = healthy.
3 jabs + covid = myocarditis.

The paper says it's likely underreported because of VAERS and the high verification rate of these cases.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Most cases of myocarditis are in young, otherwise healthy, men.

That's not to say there isn't increased risk from vaccination. But, the risk from infection is higher and many of the blogs that push myocarditis fear seem to ignore base rates.
this is precisely the problem. HEALTHY men. The not-vaccine was designed not to stop one from getting the infection, but to ease symptoms/side effects and not even to shorten the infection time. Once you take the not-vaccine, and you develop myocarditis, you are no longer healthy. This is a pretty big issue in addition to the entire tech left (and MSM) silencing and censoring any and everyone, including actual experts, who dare to have differing opinions
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Most cases of myocarditis are in young, otherwise healthy, men.
Oh wow sign me up for 8 jabs please.
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Originally Posted By Paul
0 jabs + covid = healthy.
3 jabs + covid = myocarditis.

The paper says it's likely underreported because of VAERS and the high verification rate of these cases.
yep ...Vaxcel regratz is so real...............

everyone i know with chit version of Omicron was triple vaxxed, anecdotal or not these are the people i see and mix with on a regular basis......the real world numbers not so great either ask Israel


Lol at mild myocarditis
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
this is precisely the problem. HEALTHY men. The not-vaccine was designed not to stop one from getting the infection, but to ease symptoms/side effects and not even to shorten the infection time. Once you take the not-vaccine, and you develop myocarditis, you are no longer healthy. This is a pretty big issue in addition to the entire tech left (and MSM) silencing and censoring any and everyone, including actual experts, who dare to have differing opinions
That's the thing. Healthy men get myocarditis (not vaccine related, just in general). I had it in 2013. That's the key piece many seem to ignore.

When I say young otherwise healthy men get myocarditis that refers to in general, historically, before covid or covid vaccines were a thing. That's the demographic most often affected.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Bolded is a flat out lie (bring up my own words as evidence if you disagree), rest of the post was cringey attempts at condescension and conspiratard garbage. Basically just reaffirming everything I said that anti-vaxcells just resort to childish name calling and personal attacks when their pet theories get scuttled.



You'd think an epiphany would dawn in you guys that if you have to constantly resort to childish misbehaviour that maybe....just maybe....you're defending a bad position and need to jettison it. You never see me resorting to childish attacks, and there's a reason why.
Aren't you embarrased? Nobody takes you seriously anymore and your posts are very unscientific. Just stahp
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Originally Posted By sloop⏩
Rushed, eh?

Trump is the one who orchestrated, and, wants all the praise & credit for "Operation Warp Speed", no?
8 m9nths is rushed.
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Originally Posted By Paul
I think we are all well aware of the jabs causing both severe cases and numbers of myocarditis...that's not really a debate anymore..

AP...really?
Let's hear you tell us again how this was worst than The Spanish Flu.....

Sorry, that was meant for Maestro.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's the thing. Healthy men get myocarditis (not vaccine related, just in general). I had it in 2013. That's the key piece many seem to ignore.

When I say young otherwise healthy men get myocarditis that refers to in general, historically, before covid or covid vaccines were a thing. That's the demographic most often affected.
Sure. Healthy men DO get myocarditis. Sometimes. But what are the odds that professional soccer players drop dead on the field, one after the other POST not-vaccine? Hmm? What are the odds that myocarditis increase by 50% in young male teens, post not-vaccine? Why do you ignore this? By the way, here is the list of not-vaccineside effectsthat pfizer released recently.
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