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Naomi Osaka: case study in why society being soft is detrimental for people
03-13-2022, 10:43 AM
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Naomi Osaka: case study in why society being soft is detrimental for people
I'll preface by saying for the most part the general misc behavior of aholeness crosses the line and isn't a case of 'just toughen up ****' (though I do love it and it's why I'm here).
Osaka has been the poster child of the media taking note of mental health issues with athletes. She has pulled out of tournaments because she felt that she needed to take care of her mental health. She blamed outside pressure. Many (really who is to say how many) people are like see ... this is why we need to treat each other better because athletes have feelings and so we shouldn't be critical of them. This sentiment is in stark contrast to the atmosphere I grew up in, the 90s. Then you had mental toughness being touted. Athletes were lauded for persevering through adversity instead of lamenting the fact that they had to face adversity at all. Michael Jordan's stone cold win at all cost mentality.
But now the focus is shifting to off the court/field issues. To me that's where things fall apart. The competition should be the escape. That should be where you get your mind right. So last night Osaka starts to cry during her match because some clown yells out 'you suck.' That was enough to bring Osaka to tears and in turn lose her match. Osaka tries to take the mic DURING the damn match only to be refused. And then addresses the crowd after LOSING.
That's soft. It's mentally weak. Whoever brought her up did her a disservice by allowing such weak behavior. Parents/caretakers should instill in their children that life is going to throw up a bunch of roadblocks to your goals. It's on you to stay focused.
Osaka has been the poster child of the media taking note of mental health issues with athletes. She has pulled out of tournaments because she felt that she needed to take care of her mental health. She blamed outside pressure. Many (really who is to say how many) people are like see ... this is why we need to treat each other better because athletes have feelings and so we shouldn't be critical of them. This sentiment is in stark contrast to the atmosphere I grew up in, the 90s. Then you had mental toughness being touted. Athletes were lauded for persevering through adversity instead of lamenting the fact that they had to face adversity at all. Michael Jordan's stone cold win at all cost mentality.
But now the focus is shifting to off the court/field issues. To me that's where things fall apart. The competition should be the escape. That should be where you get your mind right. So last night Osaka starts to cry during her match because some clown yells out 'you suck.' That was enough to bring Osaka to tears and in turn lose her match. Osaka tries to take the mic DURING the damn match only to be refused. And then addresses the crowd after LOSING.
That's soft. It's mentally weak. Whoever brought her up did her a disservice by allowing such weak behavior. Parents/caretakers should instill in their children that life is going to throw up a bunch of roadblocks to your goals. It's on you to stay focused.
03-13-2022, 10:47 AM
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yeah it's like that failed campaign to stop bullying. Good luck trying to get people to stop being their usual asswhole-ish selves for the sake of your feelings
03-13-2022, 10:50 AM
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In the 90s mental illness wasnt as bad
Since the internet and people being more socially isolated....mental illness is through the roof. We are sociable creatures where we need to interact physically
She is a child and a biproduct of how the internet and new society has impacted our lives
Since the internet and people being more socially isolated....mental illness is through the roof. We are sociable creatures where we need to interact physically
She is a child and a biproduct of how the internet and new society has impacted our lives
03-13-2022, 10:51 AM
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03-13-2022, 11:07 AM
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03-13-2022, 11:10 AM
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You realize it's a show, a performance, right? I didn't know that happened but it sounds hilarious to the point of farcical. will check it out.
She's won the toughest tournaments, and whether trumped up or real, now has such a fragile mentality that this happens.
Same thing with Simone Biles last Olympics. Then the media lauds them as heroes and symbols, because the point is to delude the sheep into being weak like their heroes.
She's won the toughest tournaments, and whether trumped up or real, now has such a fragile mentality that this happens.
Same thing with Simone Biles last Olympics. Then the media lauds them as heroes and symbols, because the point is to delude the sheep into being weak like their heroes.
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03-13-2022, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted By BasedNobleman⏩
This. Weakness is strength to the left which now controls media, entertainment , etc. it’s why victimhood also equals strength with that group.You realize it's a show, a performance, right? I didn't know that happened but it sounds hilarious to the point of farcical. will check it out.
She's won the toughest tournaments, and whether trumped up or real, now has such a fragile mentality that this happens.
Same thing with Simone Biles last Olympics. Then the media lauds them as heroes and symbols, because the point is to delude the sheep into being weak like their heroes.
She's won the toughest tournaments, and whether trumped up or real, now has such a fragile mentality that this happens.
Same thing with Simone Biles last Olympics. Then the media lauds them as heroes and symbols, because the point is to delude the sheep into being weak like their heroes.
Their goal is to make everyone think they have mental health issues. Everyone needs a therapist. Everyone needs medication. Anxiety, depression, etc all normal. Don’t treat the underlying issue brought on from this world - treat the symptoms. Obey. Consume.
03-13-2022, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted By BasedNobleman⏩
I'd agree it weren't the fact that she's losing as a result. I realize that she's making bank with the marketing contracts but at some point she has to maintain her status as elite level athlete or those will dry up.You realize it's a show, a performance, right? I didn't know that happened but it sounds hilarious to the point of farcical. will check it out.
She's won the toughest tournaments, and whether trumped up or real, now has such a fragile mentality that this happens.
Same thing with Simone Biles last Olympics. Then the media lauds them as heroes and symbols, because the point is to delude the sheep into being weak like their heroes.
She's won the toughest tournaments, and whether trumped up or real, now has such a fragile mentality that this happens.
Same thing with Simone Biles last Olympics. Then the media lauds them as heroes and symbols, because the point is to delude the sheep into being weak like their heroes.
03-13-2022, 11:34 AM
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Who the hell is Naomi Osaka?
03-13-2022, 11:37 AM
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Imagine if Tom Brady wanted to stop a football game and get a fan ejected every time he heard someone yell "Brady you suck" or worse..
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03-13-2022, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted By LobsterRageFist⏩
Lebron James literally already did thisImagine if Tom Brady wanted to stop a football game and get a fan ejected every time he heard someone yell "Brady you suck" or worse..
03-13-2022, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted By Mogambo⏩
LOL she may appreciate your concern for her bank account, but its neither here nor there.I'd agree it weren't the fact that she's losing as a result. I realize that she's making bank with the marketing contracts but at some point she has to maintain her status as elite level athlete or those will dry up.
Keep buying into the sportsball mystique. I'm sure you think Premier League players kneel because they care about Ending Racism.
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03-13-2022, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted By nothingshocking⏩
Four time Tennis grand slam winner & former world number one. Basically cries at every press conference when she gets asked a simple question. BLM woke idiot.Who the hell is Naomi Osaka?
03-13-2022, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted By jimbob007⏩
Serena would kick the chit out of her and then laugh at her for cryingFour time Tennis grand slam winner & former world number one. Basically cries at every press conference when she gets asked a simple question. BLM woke idiot.
Martina Navatralova would fuk her chit up and then eat her pussy
03-13-2022, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Shysty021⏩
She is 24. At what age do we stop being a child?!In the 90s mental illness wasnt as bad
Since the internet and people being more socially isolated....mental illness is through the roof. We are sociable creatures where we need to interact physically
She is a child and a biproduct of how the internet and new society has impacted our lives
Since the internet and people being more socially isolated....mental illness is through the roof. We are sociable creatures where we need to interact physically
She is a child and a biproduct of how the internet and new society has impacted our lives
03-13-2022, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Shysty021⏩
Dude, she is mid 20's now. Tracy Austin was a child who came on the tour when she was 15, won her first slam aged 16 & went to world number one aged 17-she had far more pressure on her than Osaka who took 5 years to win her first slam & never sat there crying & demanding she not have to do interviews like everybody else. None of the other players currently playing do it, so the internet thing doesn't wash-Konta was a crybaby on the court if she fell or somebody hurt her feels-but even she did her pressers & has retired now.In the 90s mental illness wasnt as bad
Since the internet and people being more socially isolated....mental illness is through the roof. We are sociable creatures where we need to interact physically
She is a child and a biproduct of how the internet and new society has impacted our lives
Since the internet and people being more socially isolated....mental illness is through the roof. We are sociable creatures where we need to interact physically
She is a child and a biproduct of how the internet and new society has impacted our lives
03-13-2022, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
Appreciate this take, but when gynocentric soyciety tells us that they are capable of all of the same things as men and they present themselves as being capable of all the same things as men, I expect them to behave and be capable of all the same things as men.Dafuq? @ these responses. Typical misc consistent beliefs of peace I guess.
I'm a misogynist and think women should know their place at home raising kids but the flip side of that is to not expect women to accomplish anything. Women are not men.
I'm a misogynist and think women should know their place at home raising kids but the flip side of that is to not expect women to accomplish anything. Women are not men.
Also, it's a phucking game that you get paid millions of dollars a year to play lmfao. You have zero things to complain about in life. B-b-b-but the PRESSURE, yeah okay, so how many people die or starve to death if you phuck up at work? That's how many mental health issues you get to have ded srs.
03-13-2022, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted By jimbob007⏩
Troof about Tracy Austin, and then add Chris Evert, Steffi Graf, Serena Williams and the other female tennis champions since then. It's not like Naomi is the first female tennis champion. Women became professional tennis players in the 70s.Dude, she is mid 20's now. Tracy Austin was a child who came on the tour when she was 15, won her first slam aged 16 & went to world number one aged 17-she had far more pressure on her than Osaka who took 5 years to win her first slam & never sat there crying & demanding she not have to do interviews like everybody else. None of the other players currently playing do it, so the internet thing doesn't wash-Konta was a crybaby on the court if she fell or somebody hurt her feels-but even she did her pressers & has retired now.
I played tennis in college and didn't have problems with the pressure nor did I have anxiety and depression back then.
I mean anxiety and depression exist for some but there are a lot of people who take it to mean stress in general, which affects everyone.
03-13-2022, 12:23 PM
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Her people need to tell her to get it together or she’s done. The left will go rah rah mazel tov and congratulate you for being a bich. But when you can’t even get through a tennis match without crying, your career is over.
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Not taking a side here but just adding this as it hasn't been said yet.
Social media is a recent development and players previously didn't get thousands and thousands of people calling them chit etc in their Instagram comments and dms. They do see that kind of stuff, don't think that it's possible to just ignore it.
Secondly tennis crowds are definitely more badly behaved and more scummy now that they were. Jeering, booing, sarcastic clapping etc etc. Some players can ignore it like Djokovic, some react angrily like Medvedev and some others end up breaking down.
I don't doubt that a never ending barrage of abuse can bring a lot of people down, no matter what generation you belong to. It's just that previously not every idiot could express their opinions before and be heard. Now they can
Social media is a recent development and players previously didn't get thousands and thousands of people calling them chit etc in their Instagram comments and dms. They do see that kind of stuff, don't think that it's possible to just ignore it.
Secondly tennis crowds are definitely more badly behaved and more scummy now that they were. Jeering, booing, sarcastic clapping etc etc. Some players can ignore it like Djokovic, some react angrily like Medvedev and some others end up breaking down.
I don't doubt that a never ending barrage of abuse can bring a lot of people down, no matter what generation you belong to. It's just that previously not every idiot could express their opinions before and be heard. Now they can
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03-13-2022, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted By tvr123⏩
Osaka grew up with it though, as did athletes her age. They should know how to handle it. She has used social media as a tool to get lucrative marketing deals. Nothing is free.Not taking a side here but just adding this as it hasn't been said yet.
Social media is a recent development and players previously didn't get thousands and thousands of people calling them chit etc in their Instagram comments and dms. They do see that kind of stuff, don't think that it's possible to just ignore it.
Secondly tennis crowds are definitely more badly behaved and more scummy now that they were. Jeering, booing, sarcastic clapping etc etc. Some players can ignore it like Djokovic, some react angrily like Medvedev and some others end up breaking down.
I don't doubt that a never ending barrage of abuse can bring a lot of people down, no matter what generation you belong to. It's just that previously not every idiot could express their opinions before and be heard. Now they can
Social media is a recent development and players previously didn't get thousands and thousands of people calling them chit etc in their Instagram comments and dms. They do see that kind of stuff, don't think that it's possible to just ignore it.
Secondly tennis crowds are definitely more badly behaved and more scummy now that they were. Jeering, booing, sarcastic clapping etc etc. Some players can ignore it like Djokovic, some react angrily like Medvedev and some others end up breaking down.
I don't doubt that a never ending barrage of abuse can bring a lot of people down, no matter what generation you belong to. It's just that previously not every idiot could express their opinions before and be heard. Now they can
As for the crowds being worse now, I agree. But like someone else pointed out earlier ITT, by wearing her emotions on her sleeve, Osaka is only encouraging the ****ty behavior. Clowns with nothing else going for them see that they can influence someone on a huge platform and they get off on that. I get that this is victim blaming but for her sake she should be aware of how she is handling the situation is making things worse for her.
03-13-2022, 01:14 PM
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It's not society. Naomi is just way too soft. Remember Ichiro first came over he would get heckled at Oakland A's games and never acted like this. She is also to into her social issues, I don't know who is brainwashing her in her camp but someone needs to tell her she doesn't need to send out a PSA every time a black person gets a papercut.
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Originally Posted By chancelee⏩
Nah man this is an expression of theraputic western society writ large. People take "mental health days" at work with pretty high frequency, if my friends in Silicon Valley are to be believed. Most people seem to think that they deserve to live a life free from any challenge or adversity whatsoever.It's not society. Naomi is just way too soft. Remember Ichiro first came over he would get heckled at Oakland A's games and never acted like this. She is also to into her social issues, I don't know who is brainwashing her in her camp but someone needs to tell her she doesn't need to send out a PSA every time a black person gets a papercut.
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Originally Posted By Mogambo⏩
The difference between her & Radacanu is huge-ER conducts herself with total grace & class despite being a teenager. She needs to get a grip-it was one person saying she sucks, not thousands, hundreds, or even dozens.Osaka grew up with it though, as did athletes her age. They should know how to handle it. She has used social media as a tool to get lucrative marketing deals. Nothing is free.
As for the crowds being worse now, I agree. But like someone else pointed out earlier ITT, by wearing her emotions on her sleeve, Osaka is only encouraging the ****ty behavior. Clowns with nothing else going for them see that they can influence someone on a huge platform and they get off on that. I get that this is victim blaming but for her sake she should be aware of how she is handling the situation is making things worse for her.
As for the crowds being worse now, I agree. But like someone else pointed out earlier ITT, by wearing her emotions on her sleeve, Osaka is only encouraging the ****ty behavior. Clowns with nothing else going for them see that they can influence someone on a huge platform and they get off on that. I get that this is victim blaming but for her sake she should be aware of how she is handling the situation is making things worse for her.
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posted this in the tennis thread already, if "Naomi, you suck" brings you to tears professional sport isn't cut out for you
for comparison a "welcome" a football player got over here a couple of years ago... way worse and took it like a champ
for comparison a "welcome" a football player got over here a couple of years ago... way worse and took it like a champ
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If you can't stand the heat like 99.99% of the other people there, you should probably get out of the kitchen.
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Originally Posted By Mogambo⏩
Just fist yourself, OP.I'll preface by saying for the most part the general misc behavior of aholeness crosses the line and isn't a case of 'just toughen up ****'.
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