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post 1658090633 03-17-2022, 08:14 AM
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Google employees say new return-to-office plans are being applied unevenly

If you're not a Chad employee, get yo ass back in the office full-time, you cubiclecell!

Google employees say new return-to-office plans are being applied unevenly, with some barred from remote work while others get special treatment
Google has started calling employees back to offices, and it expects most workers to be at their desks at least three days a week starting April 4. But internally, some employees have complained that the new rules are set to be applied unevenly, with certain staff members and teams exempt from the changes while others are barred from remote work altogether, Insider has learned. These frustrations have escalated recently and made their way to top executives last week.

On Thursday at a company all-hands, where employees can submit questions to leadership, Googlers pushed back on the company's return-to-office plans, asking why all employees weren't able to choose to be permanently remote and arguing that the rules around remote work were being applied inconsistently, according to screenshots seen by Insider and people who attended the event.

Employees are able to submit questions using an internal system called Dory, where Googlers can vote on the questions they most want asked. The most popular questions typically receive hundreds or thousands of upvotes and are usually asked at the company's weekly "TGIF" town-hall meetings.

"Some [product areas] are open to remote work while others have a blanket ban, rejecting applications even if managers are supportive," one top-voted question said. "Although 85% of remote work applications have been approved, this statistic misses those who don't apply due to blanket bans. Can we get all PAs (product areas) to allow remote work?"

Another popular question, which was upvoted by nearly 1,000 employees, asked why Google's work-from-home policy wasn't more flexible.

"Google made record profits through the pandemic (and WFH), traffic has already increased (at least in Bay Area) with gas prices at record high, and people have different preferences for WFH vs work from office," the question said. "Why is the RTO policy not 'Work from office when you want or when it makes sense to?'"

The company had previously said employees could apply to be remote full time but the approvals would be made by managers on a case-by-case basis.

One person who attended the meeting said the questions were fielded by a member of Google's human-resources department, who told employees there would be some limits because certain roles were tied to offices or specific locations. Employees rejected from working remotely were encouraged to look internally for remote opportunities in other teams.

Most of the half-dozen current employees who spoke with Insider complained that the remote-work policies often felt arbitrary or unpredictable. One current employee said some members of their team who applied for permanent remote work were granted it but others were denied. Two employees said everyone on their management chain who applied for remote work was approved for it.

Some employees felt the remote-work policy was unfairly applied even within orgs, pointing to executives like Urs Hölzle, an engineering senior vice president who relocated to New Zealand, as an example. One current employee who spoke with Insider said a colleague was denied remote work even as their manager was approved to continue to work from home. Employees could also face pay cuts if they move out of the Bay Area or New York City.

A Google representative told Insider that different orgs had set guidelines on which days and how often their teams would come together in the office. They also said employees who needed more time before returning could request a work-from-home extension.

Employees in the San Francisco Bay Area and several other US locations are expected back in offices April 4, the company announced last month.

Some other tech companies, including Apple, have called employees back on similar hybrid schedules, while others, such as Twitter and Spotify, have announced workers can work remotely forever.
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post 1658090653 03-17-2022, 08:15 AM
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Hope they get sued by all the woke bullchit policies they try to force into place.
post 1658090703 03-17-2022, 08:16 AM
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the mantra "don't be evil" is so cringe
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post 1658090783 03-17-2022, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted By resoog
the mantra "don't be evil" is so cringe
They dropped that long ago, around 2012 I believe.
post 1658090853 03-17-2022, 08:18 AM
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One of two things will happen, people go back to the office or more companies offer the wfh option forcing big corporations to offer the same. Time will tell if this will backfire on the companies forcing employees back to the office.

And if you haven't been working on a side hustle, well you'd better hope it's the later
post 1658090983 03-17-2022, 08:20 AM
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The people that are complaining are probably the low tier easily replaceable employers Lmao. Deal with it you think Lebron James gets treated the same way as a lakers bench warmer
post 1658091503 03-17-2022, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted By AWSbruh
The people that are complaining are probably the low tier easily replaceable employers Lmao. Deal with it you think Lebron James gets treated the same way as a lakers bench warmer
This is Google. All the employees there are most likely some of the best, average salary is probably $120k easy.
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Originally Posted By AWSbruh
The people that are complaining are probably the low tier easily replaceable employers Lmao. Deal with it you think Lebron James gets treated the same way as a lakers bench warmer
If you're working as an employee for them, you're low tier and easily replaceable as far as the elites there are concerned.
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I heard a story from a girl that works for the State Department in Maryland. They have thousands of employees and a lot of them went remote during covid. They started bringing employees back into the office this year and a bunch of the black employees said they did not feel comfortable coming back due to a hostile work environment. There was never a mention of a hostile work environment before covid.
So now any minority employees (this is a majority of the workforce) can stay remote if they choose, but the white employees have to come to the office(s) every day. Lulz.
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Instead of crying about it they should quit if being at home is that important to them.
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Originally Posted By JayJ350
If you're working as an employee for them, you're low tier and easily replaceable as far as the elites there are concerned.
probably very true.

i bet there is a distribution curve of academically smart workers and true geniuses there that falls along a bell curve. they are all relatively smart but I dont know how much that means in tech.


I also bet 100% that its the women who are complaining. got used to chilling at starbucks with her friends and got a taste of dat mom life, probab hard for them to go back realizing that careers are LARGELY a waste of time for most people.
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going through that now.

certain teams get to work from home

our boss is like get your azz back to work.
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This was predictable. Working at home is GOAT. So wagecels are dreading having to go back to the office grind.
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Originally Posted By kcadrenalin
I heard a story from a girl that works for the State Department in Maryland. They have thousands of employees and a lot of them went remote during covid. They started bringing employees back into the office this year and a bunch of the black employees said they did not feel comfortable coming back due to a hostile work environment. There was never a mention of a hostile work environment before covid.
So now any minority employees (this is a majority of the workforce) can stay remote if they choose, but the white employees have to come to the office(s) every day. Lulz.
Clown world but you got to admire the hustle.
If Maryland is an at-will state, you'll see employees getting the red slip soon.

I work for the Texas state government, and that chit won't fly.
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Certain people have toget management approval to work remote. It's usually those who move to remote locations which aren't as expensive to live as it is in the Bay Area for Googlers.

Those people usually have special skill sets such as engineers. Project managers aren't going to have that luxury to work remote from Florida.
Originally Posted By andrepmeet
I also bet 100% that its the women who are complaining. got used to chilling at starbucks with her friends and got a taste of dat mom life, probab hard for them to go back realizing that careers are LARGELY a waste of time for most people.
It's nice to spend the time with my daughter, especially when she was doing online school. There is no time for Starbucks with friends when between 9-5 your Slack messages are going off nonstop. I guess you could go before 9 but I'd rather have my coffee at home and Misc so I don't actually have to talk to a person until I'm awake.

The commute part is going to be tough, especially with the price of gas.
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