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post 1658091093 03-17-2022, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
How do you know the vaccine works when the survival rate is already 99.7%?
FYI the primary endpoint for the vaccine trials was not reduction in death
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
What was it then? Can't imagine it was infection prevention or transmission reduction because neither happen
population reduction
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Your view would involve countless thousands to millions of doctors and scientists falsifying hundreds and hundreds of studies with the deliberate intention of withholding a lifesaving treatment in the interest of being "evil". What I'm claiming is that asingle study is marred by a clear conflict of interest, I'm not claiming any conspiring is going on.



My case doesn't even rest on the claim of conflict of interest; it rests on the numerous issues of poor methodology and unjustifiable causal claims. Our two positions could not be more incommensurate: I've posted hundreds of far more rigorous studies from far more prestigious journals showing ivermectin's effects are weak to non-existent. Pharmacovigilance data showing 268 million doses of vaccine are mostly safe and very effective.



The anti-vaxx position, conversely, shows up with a small handful of articles from predatory journals which have had holes blown through their methodology. Night and day difference. So if you want a preventative measure for Covid, then the answer is clearly to get the vaccine.
They are withholding treatment. I know personally of over 20 patients that requested the use of Ivermectin & were refused. I know those that have died because of it. And you didn’t prove chit. Everything points to Ivermectin being safe & effective for Covid treatment with zero side effects.

Effects of Ivermectin in Patients With COVID-19: A Multicenter, Double-Blind, Randomized, Controlled Clinical Trial”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...49291821002010

Show me a randomized double blind placebo group study for the jabs..I’ll wait.

A Continuation of a Timeline of Ivermectin-Related Events in the COVID-19 Pandemic [June 30, 2021

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...wFulltext=true

What’s Going On? India Sees Surge Of Deaths And Injuries Following COVID-19 Vaccine Roll-Out"

"After seeing relatively good success in handling the COVID crisis with an emphasis on early treatments such as Ivermectin, India is all of a sudden seeing a surge in cases and deaths being attributed to the COVID-19 virus."

https://luis46pr.wordpress.com/2021/...cine-roll-out/


Ivermectin and the odds of hospitalization due to COVID-19: evidence from a quasi-experimental analysis based on a public intervention in Mexico City (June 2021) - large data set shows 52%-76% reduction in hospitalizationsBut some are wondering if the ramping up of COVID “vaccines” is the cause behind these recent surges.

https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/r93g4/

COVID Deaths Plunge After Mexico City Introduces Ivermectin

https://principia-scientific.com/cov...es-ivermectin/

Ivermectin - Peer Reviewed Meta Analysis (23rd June) - Safe and Effective COVID treatment

https://journals.lww.com/americanthe...ment_of.7.aspx

Ivermectin tablets to be distributed among Uttarakhand residents to prevent Covid, says state govt

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/corona...sion=true&s=09



Like I said, you’ve been wrong on everything regarding Covid, in fact you just bitched out when you got your ass handed to you in the last thread showing the vaccine in fact does enter the cell nucleus.

Urine idiot Bodhy, but everyone already knows this

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
How is survival rate of the disease relevant?
Because Vaccine companies use RRR..so when it comes down to it, the actual efficiency is..

AZ-1.3%
Pfizer-0.84%
Moderna-1.2%
J&J-1.2%

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...069-0/fulltext
post 1658152573 03-18-2022, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Because Vaccine companies use RRR..so when it comes down to it, the actual efficiency is..

AZ-1.3%
Pfizer-0.84%
Moderna-1.2%
J&J-1.2%

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...069-0/fulltext
RRR isn't based on dying from covid.
post 1658153893 03-18-2022, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
RRR isn't based on dying from covid.
Then the jab is even less efficient..
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
How do you know the vaccine works when the survival rate is already 99.7%?
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
How is survival rate of the disease relevant?
Originally Posted By Paul
Because Vaccine companies use RRR..so when it comes down to it, the actual efficiency is..

AZ-1.3%
Pfizer-0.84%
Moderna-1.2%
J&J-1.2%

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...069-0/fulltext
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
RRR isn't based on dying from covid.
Originally Posted By Paul
Then the jab is even less efficient..
Wat?

Efficient at what?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Wat?

Efficient at what?
Both risk reduction, and saving lives..
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Originally Posted By Paul
Both risk reduction, and saving lives..
Efficient?

Where do you get this stuff?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Efficient?
When the Vaccine makers claim 99.4% efficiency..what do you think they are claiming?
post 1658155243 03-18-2022, 10:16 AM
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I thought a prophylactic was a condom
post 1658155373 03-18-2022, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted By squat_blaster⏩
I thought a prophylactic was a condom
it is
post 1658155543 03-18-2022, 10:22 AM
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Other 3rd world countries been using ivermectin with great success. India was suing I think WHO for misinformation about ivermectin. Some countries care package includes ivermectin vit D and C.
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
it is
So ivermectin can be used for birth control?
post 1658155943 03-18-2022, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted By squat_blaster⏩
So ivermectin can be used for birth control?
you can stop being dumb now

prophylactic
prō″fə-lăk′tĭk, prŏf″ə-
adjective
Acting to defend against or prevent something, especially disease; protective.
Defending or preserving from disease; preventive.
post 1658156753 03-18-2022, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul
When the Vaccine makers claim 99.4% efficiency..what do you think they are claiming?
Where do they claim efficiency?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Where do they claim efficiency?
a simple search of vaccine efficiency would get you this question answered..

How well it works:
When Pfizer-BioNTech applied for FDA authorization for its vaccine in December 2020, its initial Phase 3 clinical data surpassed expectations with 95% efficacy, based on an independent analysis by the FDA.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/co...ine-comparison
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Originally Posted By Paul
a simple search of vaccine efficiency would get you this question answered..

How well it works:
When Pfizer-BioNTech applied for FDA authorization for its vaccine in December 2020, its initial Phase 3 clinical data surpassed expectations with 95%efficacy, based on an independent analysis by the FDA.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/co...ine-comparison
That says efficacy, not efficiency.

The word "efficiency" does not appear at the link you provided.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That says efficacy, not efficiency.

The word "efficiency" does not appear at the link you provided.
efficacy has to do with the ability or capacity to do something..what exactly do you think the vaccine makers are claiming the jab is doing that has 95% efficacy..?

They were claiming effectiveness all last year..
Pfizer says its vaccine is 90.7% effective against symptomatic Covid-19 in children ages 5 to 11

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/22/healt...acy/index.html
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Originally Posted By Paul
efficacy has to do with the ability or capacity to do something..what exactly do you think the vaccine makers are claiming the jab is doing that has 95% efficacy..?
I asked about your claims regarding efficiency.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I asked about your claims regarding efficiency.
And I asked you what do you think they are claiming at being 95% efficacy?
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Originally Posted By Paul
And I asked you what do you think they are claiming at being 95% efficacy?
As stated here
Originally Posted By Paul
Then the jab is even less efficient..
Originally Posted By Paul
When the Vaccine makers claim 99.4% efficiency..what do you think they are claiming?
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/wh...-effectiveness

"Efficacy is the degree to which a vaccine prevents disease, and possibly also transmission, under ideal and controlled circumstances – comparing a vaccinated group with a placebo group. Effectiveness meanwhile refers to how well it performs in the real world. Although a vaccine that has high efficacy – such as Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine with 94.5% efficacy and Pfizer’s with 90% efficacy – would be expected to be highly effective in the real world, it is unlikely to translate into the same effectiveness in practice."
Paul introduced the topic ofefficiencyas some kind of explanation for why survival rate is relevant.

Now we need to know to whatefficiencyrefers.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Paul introduced the topic ofefficiencyas some kind of explanation for why survival rate is relevant.

Now we need to know to whatefficiencyrefers.
Vaccine efficacy is reported as a relative risk reduction, which there is very little,,therefore the vaccine is not effective
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Originally Posted By Paul
Vaccine efficacy is reported as a relative risk reduction, which there is very little,,therefore the vaccine is not effective
I imagine everyone is aware of how vaccine efficacy is defined.

What is vaccine efficiency?
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Originally Posted By umop3pisdn⏩
I've already answered this ridiculous chit. It wouldn't need millions of doctors and scientists to be in on some grand conspiracy. It would only require those at the very top of the historically corrupt pharmaceutical companies to continue to do what they do; be criminals and engage in corruption. Along with the select few politicians who are being paid handsomely to mandate and push their product, and finally the FDA and mainstream media bosses who stand to make millions of dollars in stock prices, lobbying and advertising from Pfizer/Moderna to push their desired narrative.

The rest of the medical community and average doctors will follow whatever orders are from the top of the pyramid, the majority will mindlessly do what they are told is "right". Just like you and billions of other sheeple did. And those who sought alternative treatment were threatened with losing their livelihoods.

The whole stinking system is "marred" by conflicts of interest you disingenuous tard.
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Originally Posted By jimbone21⏩
Exactly. Top people (Fauci, etc) give the plan to regulators who tell hospital boards what they will now be doing or else [insert fine or other govt penalty here] who dictate to their hospitals and doctors how to treat patients.
That is how it works.
Originally Posted By Paul
Show me a randomized double blind placebo group study for the jabs..I’ll wait.
Never going to happen.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Efficient?

Where do you get this stuff?
You know he meant effectiveness, not efficiency. But you are generally determined to have the last word.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I imagine everyone is aware of how vaccine efficacy is defined.

What is vaccine efficiency?
AZ-1.3%
Pfizer-0.84%
Moderna-1.2%
J&J-1.2%
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
You know he meant effectiveness, not efficiency. But you are generally determined to have the last word.
He said it multiple times, with condescension, so I assumed he was trying to make a point related to the topic of discussion.

I'm just asking what it means.

I'm also still waiting for clarification of the relevance of stating survival rates.
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Originally Posted By Paul
AZ-1.3%
Pfizer-0.84%
Moderna-1.2%
J&J-1.2%
The paper you posted doesn't call those efficiency, but rather absolute risk reduction (ARR).
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