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Thread: Official Russia vs Ukraine/ World War 3 Thread - PART 2

post 1658192273 03-18-2022, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
same reason NATO was ready to go into rwanda in the early 90s. UN investigations concluding rampart war crimes. if i recall correctly the only reason NATO didnt go into rwanda was because the US blocked it due to fears of it turning into another ****lia, im not entirely sure what that means though... im sure the US had its reasons lol.

A mistake btw that the US and all of NATO regarded as a huge shameful blunder. im sure they didnt want to repeat that blunder in a european region. it wasnt just kosovo, nato intervened in bosnia too for the same reasons.



and yea again i completely agree, if the regions of donbas that are majority russian want independence, they should have it. zelenskyy himself has been on tv this week saying this too. hes also said they dont have dropped their interest for nato (lol like nato was gonna accept them), and that ukraine will recognize crimea.

so then why isnt the war over? like you said, russia is going for a bigger land grab than just 2 breakaway regions of donbas AND they want control economically and politically over ukraine.
Which is exactly why Ukraine should have just said-- okay keep DNR, and LNR, and we won't join NATO. Then if Russia still invaded, the propaganda is so much easier.

The war is still going on because neither side is ready to end it. Russian state media is already saying that peace talks are progressing and moving closer to conclusions, Ukraine seems to be saying the same. I think we're near the end. I hope we are anyway.

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as far as russia reclaiming its former territory, which i agree was actually russian.. it just doesnt work like that anymore bro.

there are ethnic germans in a lot of western czech republic, does that give germany a justification to annex part of the czech rep.? europe is a gigantic cluster fuk when it comes to borders because it has such a long history of wars and migrations of people.
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
Which is exactly why Ukraine should have just said-- okay keep DNR, and LNR, and we won't join NATO. Then if Russia still invaded, the propaganda is so much easier.

The war is still going on because neither side is ready to end it. Russian state media is already saying that peace talks are progressing and moving closer to conclusions, Ukraine seems to be saying the same. I think we're near the end. I hope we are anyway.

No more brother wars.
i think we are near the end too.

i believe, or want to believe, that russia will accept those conditions and move on without going for more like they had hoped.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Russian guard on the way in. I think it makes sense on why they wouldn't close the encirclements completely. They may be the driving force to complete the encirclements. They probably feel the b team units aren't a good fit for the seal.

Probably going to get real ugly. Russia has got to be in 15-20k in losses. Ukraine likely double or triple that. If not Russia is truly doing a slow low contact approach trying to elicit surrender.

Sure would be nice to get some actual reporting. All we have is Luke creaming his pants on minor Ukraine wins and not the horror it takes for the Russians to be where they are in the first place.
How do u feel about so many americans beng Azov simps?

ultimate cuckery for americans, your grand parents died fighting the German nazis and the current generation shills for Ukranian nazis
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
as far as russia reclaiming its former territory, which i agree was actually russian.. it just doesnt work like that anymore bro.

there are ethnic germans in a lot of western czech republic, does that give germany a justification to annex part of the czech rep.? europe is a gigantic cluster fuk when it comes to borders because it has such a long history of wars and migrations of people.
If those ethnic Germans organized and started a movement to be a part of Germany, sure I think that's something that needs to be discussed.

Don't forget that the entire DNR/LNR/Crimea movement occurred on the backdrop of a coup in 2014. I don't know that the United States was funding it directly, but the Deputy Secretary of State under Hilldog was on the Maidan Square handing out sandwiches to the protesters who would eventually violently overthrow the Yukashenko government brah. Sitting US Senators were there making speeches about how heroic all the protesters were etc. The president who ended up coming to power then Petro Poreshenko, has been a central fixture of the CNN media hysteria.

Something stinks a little bit here brah. Again, I acknowledge that Russia invaded at the end of the day, and they need to sleep with that. But history didn't begin on February 24, there has been a lot of build up to this point and it started more than three decades ago.

War is just faster politics.
Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
i think we are near the end too.

i believe, or want to believe, that russia will accept those conditions and move on without going for more like they had hoped.
I do too, with every fiber of my being srs.
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
How do u feel about so many americans beng Azov simps?

ultimate cuckery for americans, your grand parents died fighting the German nazis and the current generation shills for Ukranian nazis
They’re not nazis lol, hitlers dead brah, the nazi party folded along time ago… that’s like calling American racist kunts nazis, don’t be such a lib
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
If those ethnic Germans organized and started a movement to be a part of Germany, sure I think that's something that needs to be discussed.

Don't forget that the entire DNR/LNR/Crimea movement occurred on the backdrop of a coup in 2014. I don't know that the United States was funding it directly, but the Deputy Secretary of State under Hilldog was on the Maidan Square handing out sandwiches to the protesters who would eventually violently overthrow the Yukashenko government brah. Sitting US Senators were there making speeches about how heroic all the protesters were etc. The president who ended up coming to power then Petro Poreshenko, has been a central fixture of the CNN media hysteria.

Something stinks a little bit here brah. Again, I acknowledge that Russia invaded at the end of the day, and they need to sleep with that. But history didn't begin on February 24, there has been a lot of build up to this point and it started more than three decades ago.

War is just faster politics.
if thats the case, like it has been in donbas, then ya absolutely. but there are a minority of ethnic russians in odessa too, that doesnt mean russia gets to take it. thats what i was referring to.

ya ive looked into the US secretary of state involvement in ukraine, seems like a nothing burger to quote that CNN dude lol. the claim is that the CIA/US for.pol. department funded and organized an overthrow of the pro-russian govt.. i dont buy it. plus, zelenskyys govt ran opposite to porsehenkos govt so where does that leave us? did the US rig 2 elections in ukraine?

you know, maybe? i cant say for sure.. but it seems quite far of a stretch lol.


on the other hand, is there anything to suggest that russia didnt have any involvement in inciting and arming the ethnic russian rebellion against the ukrainian govt in crimea and luhanks/donetsk? hmm. i still think crimea and the regions of donbas should be apart of russia, but that is clear aggression shown towards ukraine. ukraine is the only sad victim here, they have been living under russian aggression since the end of the USSR and they clearly want to break away from that.
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
Which is exactly why Ukraine should have just said-- okay keep DNR, and LNR, and we won't join NATO. Then if Russia still invaded, the propaganda is so much easier.

The war is still going on because neither side is ready to end it. Russian state media is already saying that peace talks are progressing and moving closer to conclusions, Ukraine seems to be saying the same. I think we're near the end. I hope we are anyway.

No more brother wars.
How do we know Zelenskey isnt really a Putin puppet who did all of this on purpose to give Russia a reason to invade.
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
Presented with proof and immediately trying to find a way to discredit and deflect. But CoUlD bEE PHotSHoppped

do a forensic analysis on the picture, there is no photoshop
the pic he just posted wasnt in the 4chan thread. looks legit tho
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
if thats the case, like it has been in donbas, then ya absolutely. but there are a minority of ethnic russians in odessa too, that doesnt mean russia gets to take it. thats what i was referring to.

ya ive looked into the US secretary of state involvement in ukraine, seems like a nothing burger to quote that CNN dude lol. the claim is that the CIA/US for.pol. department funded and organized an overthrow of the pro-russian govt.. i dont buy it. plus, zelenskyys govt ran opposite to porsehenkos govt so where does that leave us? did the US rig 2 elections in ukraine?

you know, maybe? i cant say for sure.. but it seems quite far of a stretch lol.


on the other hand, is there anything to suggest that russia didnt have any involvement in inciting and arming the ethnic russian rebellion against the ukrainian govt in crimea and luhanks/donetsk? hmm. i still think crimea and the regions of donbas should be apart of russia, but that is clear aggression shown towards ukraine. ukraine is the only sad victim here, they have been living under russian aggression since the end of the USSR and they clearly want to break away from that.
Oh no, I don't believe that the US orchestrated the coup in 2014-- I do believe that they strongly supported it though. And considering the narrative around the 2020 "insurrection" I think that's a little more than hypocritical.

I definitely think that the Russian government armed the rebels in DNR/LNR. They had boots on the ground there, no doubt, it has been proven. Check out this really well done documentary on the conflict if you have time. It's Vice but it's before they went full ****gy time:



I think Zelensky is taking a lot of plays from the US and is getting advice from the US military but I don't think he's a "puppet" nessesarily. I think he believes in an independent Ukraine. The people of Ukraine absolutely have a right to defend their nation.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I 100% agree with you, the only victim here are the people of Ukraine, and the people of the DNR and LNR who are getting bombed.
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I want to ask a few questions as I have been observing the actual Azov website and the ******** channel. Where do they (themselves) state that they are a neo-nazi or white supremacist group ? It seems like Russian trolls and certain others classify them as that but to me it looks to be a pro - Ukraine militia group. The Neo Nazi/Domestic Terrorist / category is the same playbook Russia is usin as the Dems did against Trump supporters to discredit them

And pls dont post videos of captured soldiers sayng they are nazis and they kiled innocents. WE know they were threatened to say that
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Originally Posted By PISTELERO⏩
They’re not nazis lol, hitlers dead brah, the nazi party folded along time ago… that’s like calling American racist kunts nazis, don’t be such a lib
Nazis are not exclusively 1940s german nationalists. As long as they follow the same ideas, they are nazis, aka azov
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
Nazis are not exclusively 1940s german nationalists. As long as they follow the same ideas, they are nazis, aka azov
Why would a -portion of the country "who did most of the fighting against the Nazis" claim to be Nazis ? That makes absolutely no sense
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
I want to ask a few questions as I have been observing the actual Azov website and the ******** channel. Where do they (themselves) state that they are a neo-nazi or white supremacist group ? It seems like Russian trolls and certain others classify them as that but to me it looks to be a pro - Ukraine militia group. The Neo Nazi/Domestic Terrorist / category is the same playbook Russia is usin as the Dems did against Trump supporters to discredit them
Our resident Ukrainian miscer miscoach said he has a friend in the group and they are not Nazi affiliated. I trust that brah's take on the group as a whole, and I don't want to speak for him so that's all I'll say. To deny that there is any element of neo-nazism in Ukraine at all though is just false.

US lawmakers have voted on the issue and as a result restricted US troops from training with the Azov Battalion specifically.

Here's an article from Foreign Policy in 2014 that describes some of the red flags that were being raised when it was politically acceptable to raise such red flags:https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/08/30...rs-of-freedom/
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
Nazis are not exclusively 1940s german nationalists. As long as they follow the same ideas, they are nazis, aka azov
Ok.gif

so anyone who believes they are a nazi is a nazi…. Sounds like some lib talk… It’s ok to just admit when you’re wrong lol, I mean no disrespect or ill will
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
I want to ask a few questions as I have been observing the actual Azov website and the ******** channel. Where do they (themselves) state that they are a neo-nazi or white supremacist group ? It seems like Russian trolls and certain others classify them as that but to me it looks to be a pro - Ukraine militia group. The Neo Nazi/Domestic Terrorist / category is the same playbook Russia is usin as the Dems did against Trump supporters to discredit them

And pls dont post videos of captured soldiers sayng they are nazis and they kiled innocents. WE know they were threatened to say that
Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
Why would a -portion of the country "who did most of the fighting against the Nazis" claim to be Nazis ? That makes absolutely no sense
Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
Our resident Ukrainian miscer miscoach said he has a friend in the group and they are not Nazi affiliated. I trust that brah's take on the group as a whole, and I don't want to speak for him so that's all I'll say. To deny that there is any element of neo-nazism in Ukraine at all though is just false.

US lawmakers have voted on the issue and as a result restricted US troops from training with the Azov Battalion specifically.

Here's an article from Foreign Policy in 2014 that describes some of the red flags that were being raised when it was politically acceptable to raise such red flags:https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/08/30...rs-of-freedom/
According to every dumbass lib and democrat the proud boys are also white Supremacist nazis… even though they have many gays and minorities and their leader is like Dominican or some chit
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Originally Posted By PISTELERO⏩
According to every dumbass lib and democrat the proud boys are also white Supremacist nazis… even though they have many gays and minorities and their leader is like Dominican or some chit
exactly. Are there handful of overly extremists in there? sure... and give the group a bad rep ? Absolutely. But Ive just studied them for the last 48 hours. Its a pro Ukrainian Nationalist group. Opposition will always try to discredit the entire movement based on the actions of a few bad apples. This entire De-NAzification excuse from russia is just another reason to invade. Same chit as "DOmestic Terrorist" in the USA
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Originally Posted By PISTELERO⏩
According to every dumbass lib and democrat the proud boys are also white Supremacist nazis… even though they have many gays and minorities and their leader is like Dominican or some chit
Yeah brah I get that. But I can tell you that I've personally met guys who were serving in Donbass for Ukraine and one of them showed me a literal swastica tattoo'd on his chest. There are straight up actual Nazis there who think Zelensky is a ZOG Jew and all this and the Holocaust didn't happen but it needs to happen again. The ugly truth is that there's a lot of people like that in Russia too though.

Here's another point of contention in Russia/Ukraine:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

This dude worked with the Nazis against the USSR to establish an independent Ukraine. He is pretty celebrated in parts of Ukraine from what I understand, and in Russia he is considered to be a literal Nazi because he collaborated with them.

There is a lot of nuance to this conversation that I think people in the west are missing. Wars don't just happen. Putin didn't just snap. This is the logical conclusion of decades of political back and forth. It is an unstoppable force and an immovable object. This war is answering the question: Is Ukraine an independent state or a satallite of Russia?
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
Yeah brah I get that. But I can tell you that I've personally met guys who were serving in Donbass for Ukraine and one of them showed me a literal swastica tattoo'd on his chest. There are straight up actual Nazis there who think Zelensky is a ZOG Jew and all this and the Holocaust didn't happen but it needs to happen again. The ugly truth is that there's a lot of people like that in Russia too though.

Here's another point of contention in Russia/Ukraine:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

This dude worked with the Nazis against the USSR to establish an independent Ukraine. He is pretty celebrated in parts of Ukraine from what I understand, and in Russia he is considered to be a literal Nazi because he collaborated with them.

There is a lot of nuance to this conversation that I think people in the west are missing. Wars don't just happen. Putin didn't just snap. This is the logical conclusion of decades of political back and forth. It is an unstoppable force and an immovable object. This war is answering the question: Is Ukraine an independent state or a satallite of Russia?
I agreed with everything that was written in the article you posted. Especially this “The blindness and stupidity of the European political elite will lead to Russian aggression being open and unhidden, and Russian forces will soon be everywhere"

Nowhere did it say anything about Americans not training with them (not that it matters)

Bottom Line: Putin wanted to wipe em out cuz they were nationalists: pro ukraine and anti russia
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
I want to ask a few questions as I have been observing the actual Azov website and the ******** channel. Where do they (themselves) state that they are a neo-nazi or white supremacist group ? It seems like Russian trolls and certain others classify them as that but to me it looks to be a pro - Ukraine militia group. The Neo Nazi/Domestic Terrorist / category is the same playbook Russia is usin as the Dems did against Trump supporters to discredit them

And pls dont post videos of captured soldiers sayng they are nazis and they kiled innocents. WE know they were threatened to say that
So 40 democrat senators didnt sign this? Are you really this retarded theres oodles of evidence strewn all over the internet if you bother to go look just because these actual nazi's are starting to lay low now because the spotlight is on them doesnt mean in any shape or form they werent self admitted nazi's theres videos everywhere and surprisingly old MSM articles going back to pre 2014 proving this beyond any shadow of doubt:






Joe Biden (and family) are incestuous paed's..

Epstein dint kill himself....

Mcafee didnt uninstall himself.....

WEF/GLOBLISM is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION......
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So 40 democrat senators didnt sign this? Are you really this retarded theres oodles of evidence strewn all over the internet if you bother to go look just because these actual nazi's are starting to lay low now because the spotlight is on them doesnt mean in any shape or form they werent self admitted nazi's theres videos everywhere and surprisingly old MSM articles going back to pre 2014 proving this beyond any shadow of doubt:

Study the actual group not what other people say about the group!!!! That is my point!

I could form my own Pro-America Battalion/Militia but if the mainstream and everyone called us pro white neo nazis you would probably believe it wouldnt you..(especially if you didnt look into it yourself)
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Originally Posted By PISTELERO⏩
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so anyone who believes they are a nazi is a nazi…. Sounds like some lib talk… It’s ok to just admit when you’re wrong lol, I mean no disrespect or ill will
bro u are sounding low IQ as fuk. Sit back and read what u are saying, almost akin to saying that cubans are not communists just because there were other communists 90 yrs ago in the Soviet Union

NAZI = national socialists, AZOV are a similar group
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
bro u are sounding low IQ as fuk. Sit back and read what u are saying, almost akin to saying that cubans are not communists just because there were other communists 90 yrs ago in the Soviet Union

NAZI = national socialists, AZOV are a similar group
https://azov.org.ua/

this is their website. Where does it state anything that you claim?
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
Study the actual group not what other people say about the group!!!! That is my point!

I could form my own Pro-America Battalion/Militia but if the mainstream and everyone called us pro white neo nazis you would probably believe it wouldnt you..(especially if you didnt look into it yourself)
Iv been following them since before 2014 I know exactly what they are I know who formed and funded them and they are Nazi's end of story.


The only really crazy thing is its bloody tiny hat dual citizens that funded the buggers. Although if you know your "real" history you'd also know who financed Hitler during WW2 so it shouldnt be that much of a surprise.


They are playing the same games as they did 80+ years ago. Except it looks to me like Poland may be the actual attack dog instead of Ukraine.
Joe Biden (and family) are incestuous paed's..

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Originally Posted By PISTELERO⏩
Dang, if you search “Mariupol theatre bomb” it’s only articles stating a thousand civis and children were bombed

But if you search “muriupol theatre bomb no deaths” its all articles stating Ukrainian claims 1 injured and no deaths….

Is it just me or does this sound like a straight up flase flag? Just to get metroins riled up?
I think it was a military target. Just an inclination. Initial response was claims it was an Azoz HQ. Changed to civilian mass casualty.

I'm not saying Russia isn't ruthless. It's more likely Ukraine is fighting in and around civilians or the civilians are part of the fight as initially solicited, promoted by the media, or drafted by the Ukrainian government. I'm either case they return fire with artillery.
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post 1658194973 03-18-2022, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
How do u feel about so many americans beng Azov simps?

ultimate cuckery for americans, your grand parents died fighting the German nazis and the current generation shills for Ukranian nazis
They are a small political party in an ethnic area encouraged to join the larger government. Their individual beliefs are insignificant in the big picture. They have a battalion and local control. They do not represent Ukraine but are part of the thorn that got this ball rolling.

It's not our problem.
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post 1658195333 03-19-2022, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
How do u feel about so many americans beng Azov simps?

ultimate cuckery for americans, your grand parents died fighting the German nazis and the current generation shills for Ukranian nazis
The Nazis and far-right got less than 2% of the vote in Ukraine, the people much preferred the Jew Zelensky.

The whole "all Ukrainians are Nazis" is getting boring, you sound like a lib calling all Republicans and everyone they disagree with white supremacists.

Also is Ukraine a Jewish state that wants to embrace globohomo multiculturalism, or a racist Nazi white supremacist state? You people can't seem to decide which one is true.
post 1658195543 03-19-2022, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted By SUCIO⏩
You complain when miscers post about Ukranians attacking Russians and you do the same for your ruskis…we see you comrade simp
I have no side here nor RUS OR UKR. I am just angry our boys are spilling blood for bull****.

You claiming I am simping brother I dont give a **** what you think. The truth should be told from both sides.
post 1658195803 03-19-2022, 12:21 AM
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memcop's cheerleaders.



This guy PMd me and told me memcop was his bitch and he would get me banned.

Enjoy Misc bros. Learn Russian.
“In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.”

-General George S. Patton
post 1658195873 03-19-2022, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
The Nazis and far-right got less than 2% of the vote in Ukraine, the people much preferred the Jew Zelensky.

The whole "all Ukrainians are Nazis" is getting boring, you sound like a lib calling all Republicans and everyone they disagree with white supremacists.

Also is Ukraine a Jewish state that wants to embrace globohomo multiculturalism, or a racist Nazi white supremacist state? You people can't seem to decide which one is true.
A jewish influenced state that doesnt care about its white citizens. U seem to think a jew cant be a nazi anymore, huh
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