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Thread: Official Russia vs Ukraine/ World War 3 Thread - PART 2

post 1658243813 03-19-2022, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
I don't know what caused its downing but from the potato photo looking at it a few times it looks like the warhead is there.

If I had ti guess it's just a complete failure. A dud that dropped. I don't see any damage
Catastrophic failure between the oxygen tank and turbo pump
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Originally Posted By kostapoulos⏩
15,000+ Ukrainian military troops and Nazis trapped in Mariupol are about to be turned to goulash very soon

Dis gone be good

Can't wait for the footage
why are u rooting for that? u fkin sicko
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post 1658244123 03-19-2022, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Catastrophic failure between the oxygen tank and turbo pump
Pretending Ukraine has the air defense for that is much sexier. But yes. It looks like a failure.
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post 1658244203 03-19-2022, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
why are u rooting for that? u fkin sicko
Pretty sure that's a botbrah.
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Originally Posted By kostapoulos⏩
15,000+ Ukrainian military troops and Nazis trapped in Mariupol are about to be turned to goulash very soon

Dis gone be good

Can't wait for the footage
dont care about the footage, just let it happen.
Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
why are u rooting for that? u fkin sicko
15k Nazis, enablers and allies of great satan about to die, they instigated this and will now fuk off for real
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
why are u rooting for that? u fkin sicko
he sounds like a deranged liberal. everyone not on his side is a Nazi who needs to die
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ALL LIVES MATTER bruh (not srs)

Let's not get too emotional and rash now. But you know, Ukrainian Nazis aren't too distinct from Bandera/Hitler's Nazis

De-nazification and demilitarization will be better for the world

Think of it as community service
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Originally Posted By kostapoulos⏩
15,000+ Ukrainian military troops and Nazis trapped in Mariupol are about to be turned to goulash very soon

Dis gone be good

Can't wait for the footage
Negged. Get some help
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What baffles me is the understanding of the most simple aspects of warfare.

Trenches versus fighting positions....

For now= hasty, which is 12-24 inches deep
More than half day= traditional foxhole.

My fear is that the basics are so misunderstood and the retired generals on TV who have fought this type of warfare in Vietnam are just not saying the the things that are forthcoming. I see them and hear their words. They hedge. They know what's happening ing but are deliberately espousing hope.

There is none here. I need to understand their motivation. Their analysis is chit and I have lost some respect for some folks I had it for previously.
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post 1658244723 03-19-2022, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted By kostapoulos⏩
ALL LIVES MATTER bruh (not srs)

Let's not get too emotional and rash now. But you know, Ukrainian Nazis aren't too distinct from Bandera/Hitler's Nazis

De-nazification and demilitarization will be better for the world

Think of it as community service
All lives matter. Even nazis.

My heart hurts at those ive taken. All deserve respect. Every breath you take is a given gift.
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
why are u rooting for that? u fkin sicko
World peace of course

Understand that these Ukrainian Nazis brokered a deal with Poroshenko and Zelensky to rape, extort and pillage Mariupol/Donbas for the past 8 years. Let's not even discuss the ****philia and human trafficking going on

Furthermore, Putin offered those that surrendered to walk away scott free. The boy Zelensky imposed martial law and has barred 18-60 year old males from leaving Ukraine. Put two and two together and tell me what is the best outcome in this negative sum game

Think of the 15k Ukrainian troops/Nazis as sacrificial lambs. Collateral damage son. **** like this happens when you're working with Uncle Sam
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Key Takeaways:

- We now assess that the initial Russian campaign to seize Ukraine's capital and major cities and force regime change has failed;

- Russian forces continue efforts to restore momentum to this culminated campaign, but those efforts will likely also fail;

- Russian troops will continue trying to advance to within effective artillery range of the center of Kyiv, but prospects for their success are unclear;

- The war will likely descend into a phase of bloody stalemate that could last for weeks or months;

- Russia will expand efforts to bombard Ukrainian civilians in order to break Ukrainians' will to continue fighting (at which the Russians will likely fail);

- The most dangerous current Russian advance is from Kherson north toward Kryvyi Rih in an effort to isolate Zaporizhiya and Dnipro from the west. Russian forces are unlikely to be able to surround or take Kryvyi Rih in the coming days, and may not be able to do so at all without massing much larger forces for the effort than they now have available on that axis;

- The Russians appear to have abandoned plans to attack Odesa at least in the near term.


https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...sment-march-19
post 1658245633 03-19-2022, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
enablers and allies of great satan
You leave ol' Lucy out of this, you heathen.
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post 1658245853 03-19-2022, 11:53 PM
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Putin could call Israelis "Nazis" and people would believe him. Every politician is fallible, I don't know how we ended up in a situation where people think they aren't just because of the chair they're sitting in.
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post 1658246003 03-20-2022, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted By WhirlwindTobias⏩
Putin could call Israelis "Nazis" and people would believe him. Every politician is fallible, I don't know how we ended up in a situation where people think they aren't just because of the chair they're sitting in.
Putin's De-Nazification is the same as Christopher Wray calling certain Americans "Domestic Terrorists" ...its a BS excuse to carry out a plan.
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
Key Takeaways:

- We now assess that the initial Russian campaign to seize Ukraine's capital and major cities and force regime change has failed;

- Russian forces continue efforts to restore momentum to this culminated campaign, but those efforts will likely also fail;

- Russian troops will continue trying to advance to within effective artillery range of the center of Kyiv, but prospects for their success are unclear;

- The war will likely descend into a phase of bloody stalemate that could last for weeks or months;

- Russia will expand efforts to bombard Ukrainian civilians in order to break Ukrainians' will to continue fighting (at which the Russians will likely fail);

- The most dangerous current Russian advance is from Kherson north toward Kryvyi Rih in an effort to isolate Zaporizhiya and Dnipro from the west. Russian forces are unlikely to be able to surround or take Kryvyi Rih in the coming days, and may not be able to do so at all without massing much larger forces for the effort than they now have available on that axis;

- The Russians appear to have abandoned plans to attack Odesa at least in the near term.


https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...sment-march-19
I think you have an obsessive disorder.

You pick a line and compulsively believe in it. You completely miss the subtlety of reality and it's nuances.

BRB. Russian shill.

But....BRB. Senior military leader versus a cuck hiding from his step daddy in HIS home. Lol. You know what's up.
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post 1658246173 03-20-2022, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
Putin's De-Nazification is the same as Christopher Wray calling certain Americans "Domestic Terrorists" ...its a BS excuse to carry out a plan.
Agreed. It's entirely besides the point.
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post 1658246203 03-20-2022, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted By WhirlwindTobias⏩
Putin could call Israelis "Nazis" and people would believe him. Every politician is fallible, I don't know how we ended up in a situation where people think they aren't just because of the chair they're sitting in.
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post 1658246303 03-20-2022, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted By WhirlwindTobias⏩
Putin could call Israelis "Nazis" and people would believe him. Every politician is fallible, I don't know how we ended up in a situation where people think they aren't just because of the chair they're sitting in.
This is a well-written post, but I'm sorry-- it must be said that there is a legitimate movement of Nazi-inspired national socialism in Ukraine brah. The Azov Battalion uses a lot of the same imagry as National Socialist Germany and the western world has long acknoledged this.

The United States has been giving Ukraine military aid for a long time. That included physical weapons, cooperative research, and bilateral training. In a bill passed not long ago, the United States Congress voted to specifically include a clause that forbade the inclusion of the Azov Battalion in such mutual drills/aid/research.

There is a strain of literal nazism in Ukraine, and the fact that the west refuses to acknowledge or talk about it means that Russian government is able to exploit it for their own propaganda.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Agreed. It's entirely besides the point.
How is it entirely beside the point?
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
How is it entirely beside the point?
Much like the US, the nation of Ukraine is a coalition. One slice of the pie does not speak for the rest.
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post 1658246893 03-20-2022, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...sment-march-19
I actually like their approach to analysis here.

It will be interesting to track some of this think tank assessments through this, and determine who is still relevant.



Interesting board with that one- Bill Kristol, Joe Lieberman, a few other staunch never Trumpers mixed in with some supporters

Is that Kagan chick related to Robert Kagan?

Just for nostalgia - here was a Bill Kristol / Kagan pro Iraq war article in 2002 prior to the move to attack

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...bout-iraq-2064


You got Keane and Petraeus on there also



Looking at the authors of that article you cited, this one seems intresting
Kateryna Stepanenko is a Russia Researcher on the Russia and Ukraine portfolio at the Institute for the Study of War. Natively from Kyiv, she focused her academic and professional career oninvestigating the implications of Russian hybrid and disinformation warfare on Ukraine and conflict resolution in Eurasia. Kateryna received a B.A. in International Affairs from the George Washington University’s Elliott School of International Affairs where she concentrated in Europe and Eurasian affairs.
https://www.understandingwar.org/pre...yna-stepanenko











Will bookmark that site
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Much like the US, the nation of Ukraine is a coalition. One slice of the pie does not speak for the rest.
I think its entirely on point actually. Are most right wingers in the US "domestic terrorists" ? .. NO, however some might be pretty extreme..A strong minority.

Same thing with Ukraine/ Azov..they have thousands of members ..its a nationalist group..Ukrainians are pretty nationalist as a whole...so are other balkan countries...a handful of guys may fly a nazi flag or give them a bad rep...but its a not an accurate representation of Ukrainians or the Azov Battalion..Why on earth would the people who were slaughtered by nazis be calling themselves nazis ? It just doesnt make any sense.
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
I think its entirely on point actually. Are most right wingers in the US "domestic terrorists" ? .. NO, however some might be pretty extreme..A strong minority.

Same thing with Ukraine/ Azov..they have thousands of members ..its a nationalist group...a handful of guys may fly a nazi flag or give them a bad rep...but its a not an accurate representation of Ukrainians or the Azov Battalion
I find this rationale more than a bit funny. Here in the west even the assumption that one person is a Nazi is enough to get the Twatter dip****s to cancel your organization. A group of legit Nazis in Ukraine flaunting their views in public? No big deal, just a couple of extremists, this isn't your average Ukrainian.
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
This is a well-written post, but I'm sorry-- it must be said that there is a legitimate movement of Nazi-inspired national socialism in Ukraine brah.
As it is in Russia as well. Its like Alabama invading Texas to save them from the white supremacist leadership. Neither is actually governed by white supremacists, but they exist in the general area.

I 100% agree that Ukraine is being spoken of as though it's a bastion of Western civilisation on the borders of a barbaric Russia whereas in IMO the people 150km either side of the border are pretty much the same - including possessing views that are not exactly politically correct.

People have this weird idea that the 'good guys' have the same opinions as them. I think that the Ukrianians are the good guys in this war, but the reality is that they're the same people as the invaders, just with different leaders.
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Children injured

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...nian-children/
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
Why on earth would the people who were slaughtered by nazis be calling themselves nazis ? It just doesnt make any sense.
We have a similar phenomenon in America as well.
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Originally Posted By Mr
As it is in Russia as well. Its like Alabama invading Texas to save them from the white supremacist leadership. Neither is actually governed by white supremacists, but they exist in the general area.

I 100% agree that Ukraine is being spoken of as though it's a bastion of Western civilisation on the borders of a barbaric Russia whereas in IMO the people 150km either side of the border are pretty much the same - including possessing views that are not exactly politically correct.

People have this weird idea that the 'good guys' have the same opinions as them. I think that the Ukrianians are the good guys in this war, but the reality is that they're the same people as the invaders, just with different leaders.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
fk off.
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Children injured

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...nian-children/
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