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Thread: [img]img/icon4.gif[/img]China Eastern 737 crashes in China [Video]

post 1658304603 03-21-2022, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
Your numbers are off.

A lot of airplane crashes are not fatal.
Lol no. You don't survive slamming into the ground from the sky
post 1658304763 03-21-2022, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted By BraddlesMcGee⏩
Suicidal pilot?

Confused MCAS?

Pretty unusual for a plane to fly straight towards the ground at a steep angle. I don't think even MCAS would do that.
Sucicial pilot jumps off a building. You have to he murderous to crash an entire plan of people
post 1658304813 03-21-2022, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted By menseks⏩
damn, nosedived like it was a javelin missile. what could've went so wrong? RIP.
No control of horizontal stabilizer. The question now is, how come? Also that is a horrible video. Falling to earth like that at the acceleration due to gravity would render everyone on board weightless, no passing out due to g force.

This is an odd one. At cruising altitude air is at it's lowest density of the flight, your impulses (accelerations) are relatively minor and the plane is on cruise control. Frequencies are also at their highest versus take off etc when the place endures lower resonating frequencies.

The plane was in maintenance for 2 days prior to this flight. It wouldn't be unreasonable to speculate this may be related to that.
post 1658304833 03-21-2022, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
Your numbers are off.

A lot of airplane crashes are not fatal.
Incidents ≠ crashes.

They pad the numbers so that every minor aviation event goes in the books as a crash. A plane skids the runway, it’s a crash. An engine fails and the plane is forced to emergency land, it’s a crash. Bullchit. I only count events where the aircraft falls out of the sky. Nobody is going to survive those accidents.
post 1658304883 03-21-2022, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
I have to fly 4 times this year and I fukin hate it. I know the math how irrational it is but something just feels wrong leaving your life in the hands of randoms way up in the aky
Don't worry 66% of people are afraid to fly.
post 1658304943 03-21-2022, 07:27 AM
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post 1658304953 03-21-2022, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Lol no. You don't survive slamming into the ground from the sky
Well, you don't survive slamming into a wall driving at 200mph aswell.

Not all airplane crashes are like that.
Originally Posted By GuineaDago585⏩
Incidents ≠ crashes.

They pad the numbers so that every minor aviation event goes in the books as a crash. A plane skids the runway, it’s a crash. An engine fails and the plane is forced to emergency land, it’s a crash. Bullchit. I only count events where the aircraft falls out of the sky. Nobody is going to survive those accidents.
I know Incidents ≠ crashes. Thats obvious. You have incidents every single day, and they rarely result in a crash.

A plane skids the runway - ITS NOT A CRASH
An engine fails and the plane is forced to emergency land - ITS NOT A CRASH. (unless it crashes)



Search Varig 254, for example. Thats a crash.
Search Japan Airlines 123... thats a crash.
Searth Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 ... there were survivors.

And there were survivors.

To save you some time:



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Originally Posted By fate0311⏩
No control of horizontal stabilizer. The question now is, how come? Also that is a horrible video. Falling to earth like that at the acceleration due to gravity would render everyone on board weightless, no passing out due to g force.
Is it confimed?
post 1658305073 03-21-2022, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
Well, you don't survive slamming into a wall driving at 200mph aswell.



Not all airplane crashes are like that.
I would never drive my car that fast into a wall. I have no control over whether that happens on the next plane I get on
post 1658305123 03-21-2022, 07:31 AM
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post 1658305253 03-21-2022, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
I would never drive my car that fast into a wall. I have no control over whether that happens on the next plane I get on
I know. Thats not my point.

I'm just tryna say that if you only count a "type" of crash, you gonna have an 100% death rate. IF you count ALL the "types" of crashes, the death rate is not 100%.
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inb4 a bunch of aids researchers were on the plane...again
post 1658305543 03-21-2022, 07:41 AM
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post 1658305573 03-21-2022, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
I know. Thats not my point.

I'm just tryna say that if you only count a "type" of crash, you gonna have an 100% death rate. IF you count ALL the "types" of crashes, the death rate is not 100%.
A crash is when a plane loses control and hits something or the ground. Anything else isn't a crash.
post 1658305583 03-21-2022, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
Is it confimed?
I mean it really doesn't need to be. A nose dive like that would require a full nose down pitch of the horizontal stabilizer. As I said before the question is how?

If a pilot loses all engine power you still wouldn't dive like that as long as you remained in control of that stabilizer. Once you lose the hydraulics of that stabilizer however, man isn't strong enough to spin that wheel back in the cockpit. You are essentially battling the force due to fluid flow at that point.
post 1658305643 03-21-2022, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted By fate0311⏩
I mean it really doesn't need to be. A nose dive like that would require a full nose down pitch of the horizontal stabilizer. As I said before the question is how?
Not necessarily. Especially when you say "no control of".

If it was suicide or hijack there was control.

If it was structural damage ... probably there was control aswell (over the elevator).


It doens't look like an hydraulic problem aswell (he recovered it mid dive, then it went for a second dive). Not to mention that it is extremely unlikely.


p.s. btw, you don't have control over the horizontal stabilizer (or tailplane) because it isn't a control surface. You mean the elevator.
post 1658305793 03-21-2022, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
Not necessarily. Especially when you say "no control of".

It it was suicide or hijack there was control.

If it was structural damage ... probably there was control aswell (over the elevator).
Structural damage at cruising altitude is hard. In general terms, the aircraft in all sense is at it's lowest stress versus take off and final descent.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
A crash is when a plane loses control and hits something or the ground. Anything else isn't a crash.
What FAA regulation you quoting there boyo?
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post 1658306043 03-21-2022, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted By fate0311⏩
Structural damage at cruising altitude is hard. In general terms, the aircraft in all sense is at it's lowest stress versus take off and final descent.
I know. But it can occur if you crash into something (or even an explosive decompression, for example). (extremely unlikely, but possible).

Just like it would be unlikely to lose the hydraulic system.
post 1658306173 03-21-2022, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
I know. But it can occur if you crash into something. (extremely unlikely, but possible)
Everything on the aircraft is exposed to high frequencies at cruising speed. More oscillations per second, but with lower component deflection due to these vibrations. Material will deflect more at lower frequencies. So "usually" failures would more likely be due to fatigue rather that some acute impulse (acceleration).
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Originally Posted By fate0311⏩
Everything on the aircraft is exposed to high frequencies at cruising speed. More oscillations per second, but with lower deflection of components. Material will deflect more at lower frequencies.
A structural damage at cruising altitude would have nothing to do with deflection.

Like I said, it would be most likely caused by a crash or an explosion (xplosive decompression, for example). It happened before. More than once.

But I wouldnt bet on that.
post 1658306303 03-21-2022, 07:58 AM
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Think I read a straight nose dove from FL300. Have no idea the cause but that's a scary video. Can't imagine the terror
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
Think I read a straight nose dove from FL300. Have no idea the cause but that's a scary video. Can't imagine the terror
It was not a continuous straight nose dive (from what I read).

It was a nose dive, followed by recover and positive rate of climb, follewed by a second nose dive.
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
A structural damage at cruising altitude would have nothing to do with deflection.

Like I said, it would be most likely caused by a crash or an explosion (xplosive decompression, for example). It happened before. More than once.

But I wouldnt bet on that.
uhh what? any material that moves is deflecting. displacement is a consequence of deflection.
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Originally Posted By Devine88⏩
The pilots are confirmed to be Sum Ting Wong and Wi Tu Lo.
Hey now.

Originally Posted By samsbolton⏩
the problem here is that it was a fairly remote area and would have taken time to get first aid there. A lot of people probably died needlessly sadly
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
It was not a continuous straight nose dive (from what I read).

It was a nose dive, followed by recover and positive rate of climb, follewed by a second nose dive.
you should really just stop posting. radar shows no inflection points in altitude after it's dive.
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Originally Posted By fate0311⏩
uhh what? any material that moves is deflecting. displacement is a consequence of deflection.
I know that.

What I said is, a structural damage would not be cause by a deflection.



I'm saying A would not cause B.
And you are saying: What???? If B happens, C happens.

Originally Posted By fate0311⏩
you should really just stop posting. radar shows no inflection points after it's dive.
Wait and see.
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
I know that.

What I said is, a structural damage would not be cause by a deflection.



Wait and see.
ok sure bud.
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Seemed like no attempt to pull up and no attempt to glide.

Just went straight down, nose first.



We will never know what happened because if it was terrorism, the Chinese gov't will never release that info.
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Originally Posted By fate0311⏩
ok sure bud.
Unless you are talking about a deflection caused by a crash and not by the movement (which is just stupid).



Fuking hell the amount off bull**** itt in insane.

Everyone is tryna give an opinion about something they never studied.


Nonsense.
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
Unless you are talking about a deflection caused by a crash. Which is just stupid.

I
what? what the **** are you even talking about?
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