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post 1658322923 03-21-2022, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool
The azov are nationalists, at least a lot appear to be..

So what? That doesnt make the ukrainian govt or military nazis.

They were just a militia group that joined the ranks of ukraines military due to need. Its like if the US was getting invaded and the Kkk started defending the southern border.
I was mind blown at it so I’ve dug deep into it and the “nationalist” and “racist/nazi” line are EXTREMELY blurred. Russia is NOT using the term Nazi in the strict sense of the word.
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Originally Posted By Beast92
Azov is 90% akin to Nazis

American conservatives are 10% akin to Nazis

LOL at not using real terms Just because Americans decided to warp their definition to define their domestic enemies as such. You forget that it was Russia who won WW2, they know Nazis better than some cuckolds halfway across the world
I get what you’re saying, but because someone does 90% of the things soldiers do but is a civilian you wouldn’t call them soldiers, azov may hold 90% of the same views nazis had (And we will just go with your figure for the sake of this conversation) You’re forgetting the most important 10%, which is being an actual member of the nazi party.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool
“Played a part” - you have spent the majority of this thread and last thread saying the US was THE reason for this war lol...

And i have not changed any of my opinions since day 1. Go back a few pages, ive been saying the exact same things.
You used to full on spazz out and have meltdowns when anyone mentioned NATO/the US (lmaooo, incel, conspiracy theorist, CIA, etc. Ring any bells?) and would say it's all about territory and that only cucks would want Ukraine to make a deal with invaders, SLAVA UKRAINI etc, etc. The usual retard crew takes.

Recently you have said that you hope they can make a deal and that if Crimea/Donbas wants to join Russia they should be allowed to.

You have definitely changed your tune massively. But whatevz.
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LOL @ the world acting like Ukraine wasn't one of the most corrupt **** holes in the world a year ago and zalansky throwing NATO and the US under the bus.
Survival. When the jungle tears itself down and builds itself into something new. Guys like you and me, we end up dead. Doesn’t really mean anything. Or, if we happen to live through it, well that doesn’t mean anything either.
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Originally Posted By chalup
I was mind blown at it so I’ve dug deep into it and the “nationalist” and “racist/nazi” line are EXTREMELY blurred. Russia is NOT using the term Nazi in the strict sense of the word.
Nobody uses the term correctly any more unless it’s a history class or hollow earth theory lol

I won’t elevate some racist turds in camies or methheads on the prison yard by calling them nazis.
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz
You used to full on spazz out and have meltdowns when anyone mentioned NATO/the US (lmaooo, incel, conspiracy theorist, CIA, etc. Ring any bells?) and would say it's all about territory and that only cucks would want Ukraine to make a deal with invaders, SLAVA UKRAINI etc, etc. The usual retard crew takes.

Recently you have said that you hope they can make a deal and that if Crimea/Donbas wants to join Russia they should be allowed to.

You have definitely changed your tune massively. But whatevz.
even low IQ people like exxtracoool will tune down their hate and MSM constructed rethoric once they are constantly bombarded with facts:

- Azov uses civilians as human shields
- The ukranian government will place civilians / false flags to gain support from the west
- Ukranians are savage as fuk and not allies of the american people by any means
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble
Well it's possible we have another Russian media blunder on our hand. Following article was posted yesterday on the Komsomolskaya Pravda (pro Kremlin tabloid), but now it's no longer available.

Fortunately the internet does not forget

According to preliminary estimates of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, from the beginning of the special military operation in Ukraine to March 20, the RF Armed Forces have lost 96 aircraft, 118 helicopters and 14.7 thousand military personnel.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation refutes the information of the Ukrainian General Staff about the alleged large-scale losses of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine. According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, during the special operation in Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces lost 9861 people killed, 16153 people were injured.


https://web.archive.org/web/20220321.../news/4672522/
US estimates were 3K to 10K Russian KIAs @ 18 March (3K being very conservative) so it's interesting only 4 days later Rus has it at 10K. If that's correct, then the UKR estimates of 15K Russian KIAs are not even that overly high.
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Originally Posted By Mr
US estimates were 3K to 10K Russian KIAs @ 18 March (3K being very conservative) so it's interesting only 4 days later Rus has it at 10K. If that's correct, then the UKR estimates of 15K Russian KIAs are not even that overly high.
From what I've seen last US claims were 7k dead from March 16 as a conservative estimate.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/u...op-deaths.html
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Originally Posted By memcop
I follow him. He's good for getting some things you don't hear from others.

I've studied the situation (Ukraine, Russia-Ukraine, NATO, EU) extensively for a long time and it was obvious to me that Ukraine wasn't gonna be able to join NATO anytime in the next 20 yrs due to rampant corruption at all levels and numerous other problems.

It may have been something possible decades on down the road but it was just not gonna be possible for least another generation if at all. NATO membership is not just waving a wand and signing a paper but rather many requirements must be met which satisfy the other members and the leaders of NATO before membership can ever even start.

Why they pretended like that was possible soon is beyond me, except to try and draw Putin into a conflict.

EU membership is another story and that was possible sometime in the next ten years with a little more work, bc those requirements are not as stringent in terms of initial membership goes, although after membership then the requirements start piling on.
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen
I follow him too. He's good for getting some things you don't here from others.

I've studied the situation (Ukraine, Russia-Ukraine, NATO, EU) extensively for a long time and it was obvious to me that Ukraine wasn't gonna be able to join NATO anytime in the next 20 yrs due to rampant corruption at all levels and numerous other problems.

It may have been something possible decades on down the road but it was just not gonna be possible for least another generation if at all. NATO membership is not just waving a wand and signing a paper but rather many requirements must be met which satisfy the other membership and the leaders of NATO before membership can ever even start.

Why they pretended like that was possible soon is beyond me, except to try and draw Putin into a conflict.

EU membership is another story and that was possible sometime in the next ten years with a little more work, bc those requirements are not as stringent in terms of initial membership goes, although after membership then the requirements start piling on.
Have you let Volodymyr know your expert analysis?
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen
Why they pretended like that was possible soon is beyond me, except to try and draw Putin into a conflict.
See. They are waking up.
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1
Have you let Volodymyr know your expert analysis?
lol but I'm sure he was fully aware there was little to no chance of Ukraine joining NATO

open, rampant bribery at all levels of gov and society as a way of life like happens in Ukraine is not something allowed in NATO
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen
I follow him. He's good for getting some things you don't hear from others.

I've studied the situation (Ukraine, Russia-Ukraine, NATO, EU) extensively for a long time and it was obvious to me that Ukraine wasn't gonna be able to join NATO anytime in the next 20 yrs due to rampant corruption at all levels and numerous other problems.

It may have been something possible decades on down the road but it was just not gonna be possible for least another generation if at all. NATO membership is not just waving a wand and signing a paper but rather many requirements must be met which satisfy the other members and the leaders of NATO before membership can ever even start.

Why they pretended like that was possible soon is beyond me, except to try and draw Putin into a conflict.

EU membership is another story and that was possible sometime in the next ten years with a little more work, bc those requirements are not as stringent in terms of initial membership goes, although after membership then the requirements start piling on.
joining NATO or the EU was not gonna happen for ukraine either way... the kremlin knows/knew this. Fuking everyone knew this.

And its because of the reasons you mentioned, has nothing to do with russia.

Btw, despite all of this, NATO has still stated multiple times that it will keep its revolving door policy unchanged..



Also, what is the guy in the tweet talking about exactly? When/how did the US try to make it seem like ukraine was going to be accepted into NATO? That isnt the US’s call to make solely lol.
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz
See. They are waking up.
Right, so they knew they were drawing Putin into an invasion but didn't start mobilizing to prepare for it, because...?
Originally Posted By LukeLissen
lol but I'm sure he was fully aware there was little to no chance of Ukraine joining NATO

open, rampant bribery at all levels of gov and society as a way of life like happens in Ukraine is not something allowed in NATO
Zero chance, no membership with ongoing internal conflict.
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble
Right, so they knew they were drawing Putin into an invasion but didn't start mobilizing to prepare for it, because...?




Zero chance, no membership with ongoing internal conflict.
That is the exact reason why multiple balkan countries have not been accepting into either the eu or nato... not sure why anyone thought ukraine would be different.
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble
Right, so they knew they were drawing Putin into an invasion but didn't start mobilizing to prepare for it, because...?
wut

If we're going with this theory, they are sacrificing a pawn to weaken and further isolate Russia. And it's going pretty well.
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Originally Posted By Mr
US estimates were 3K to 10K Russian KIAs @ 18 March (3K being very conservative) so it's interesting only 4 days later Rus has it at 10K. If that's correct, then the UKR estimates of 15K Russian KIAs are not even that overly high.
Holy FUK 10,000 KIA is an absolute disaster.
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz
wut

If we're going with this theory, they are sacrificing a pawn to weaken and further isolate Russia. And it's going pretty well.
imagine being an Ukranian fighting for a geo political goal of a country halfway across the world that doesnt give a fuk about your life.

then imagine dying and your ethnic russian brothers still taking over the land, rendering ur life and death worthless

just surrender and live life
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz
See. They are waking up.
Ukraine has been at war since 2014, i regardless of US actions, they were going to have to fight Russians at some point to defend their country. Mise well do it when the entire world is sending you billions of dollars in aid to fight a proxy war they can’t fight conventional.
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“ 12 min ago
US and other nations discussing providing Ukraine with "long-range air defense," Pentagon says”


Shiets getting real
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz
wut

If we're going with this theory, they are sacrificing a pawn to weaken and further isolate Russia. And it's going pretty well.
Uh huh, so they didn't mobilize and took a MASSIVE risk of actually losing Ukraine to the Russians for the foreseeable future - seeing how even the West told him that it's over and gtfo - because...? 8D CIA and MI6 chess? That tweet is pure bs. Where's the CNN interview? One would think it would be everywhere, but radio silence.

Also lmao about the US telling him that he won't be getting his membership. As if the US would be calling the shots on that. It takes an unanimous vote. A vote that couldn't/wouldn't have happened anyway.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool
“ 12 min ago
US and other nations discussing providing Ukraine with "long-range air defense," Pentagon says”


Shiets getting real
I wonder how long it takes to train someone on something like a Patriot missile system
Survival. When the jungle tears itself down and builds itself into something new. Guys like you and me, we end up dead. Doesn’t really mean anything. Or, if we happen to live through it, well that doesn’t mean anything either.
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BBC already writing about the fukup. It was a hack, obviously.


"The staunchly pro-Kremlin newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP) published an article quoting the ministry as saying 9,861 Russian servicemen had died, a figure which exceeds even US intelligence estimates of Russian fatalities.

It gave the number of wounded as 16,153.

Minutes later, this part of the article disappeared from the page, but we were able to take screen grabs of the relevant paragraphs.

KP editor Vladimir Sungorkin subsequently told the BBC the information had been the result of a hack, and said the paper will post an explanation later."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60802572
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Looks like "Russophobia" is the new Islamophobia. "Irrational fear", yeah no.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool
“ 12 min ago
US and other nations discussing providing Ukraine with "long-range air defense," Pentagon says”


Shiets getting real
Source??
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble
BBC already writing about the fukup. It was a hack, obviously.


"The staunchly pro-Kremlin newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP) published an article quoting the ministry as saying 9,861 Russian servicemen had died, a figure which exceeds even US intelligence estimates of Russian fatalities.

It gave the number of wounded as 16,153.

Minutes later, this part of the article disappeared from the page, but we were able to take screen grabs of the relevant paragraphs.

KP editor Vladimir Sungorkin subsequently told the BBC the information had been the result of a hack, and said the paper will post an explanation later."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60802572
LMAO. Clown world. I bet it’s real.

I wonder why BBC would cover it up though. Weird shiet. With the equipment destroyed and putting 3 men per tank/truck the death toll would be above 4500. Throw in the deaths of paratroopers and ground men and it’s close to 8-10,000 for sure.
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Originally Posted By chalup
LMAO. Clown world. I bet it’s real.

I wonder why BBC would cover it up though. Weird shiet. With the equipment destroyed and putting 3 men per tank/truck the death toll would be above 4500. Throw in the deaths of paratroopers and ground men and it’s close to 8-10,000 for sure.
Not covering up, calling their bs. All that disastrous info up for a full day without anyone noticing. Hackers, right.


Meanwhile Alexey Arestovich, one of Zelensky's advisors meme'ing about the Russians going back to and getting shelled at Chernobaevka airfield near Kherson. For the seventh time in a row.
https://t.me/O_Arestovich_official/1705


Also notorius shill ASB News throwing the towel after getting banned from Twitter and moving to ********




For the record:

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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble
Not covering up, calling their bs. All that disastrous info up for a full day without anyone noticing. Hackers, right.


Meanwhile Alexey Arestovich, one of Zelensky's advisors meme'ing about the Russians going back to and getting shelled at Chernobaevka airfield near Kherson. For the seventh time in a row.
https://t.me/O_Arestovich_official/1705


Also notorius shill ASB News throwing the towel after getting banned from Twitter and moving to ********




For the record:

Good lord so PRO RUSSIAN media is shutting down in fear of getting in trouble for their reports? That is when you know shiet has hit the fan there.
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As the days tick by, this war costs Russia more and more.

It is obvious Ukraine is willing to accept the costs and the West has vowed to help rebuild. I can only see this ending in an even further pro western Ukraine even if they give up DPR LPR and Crimea.
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble
Uh huh, so they didn't mobilize and took a MASSIVE risk of actually losing Ukraine to the Russians for the foreseeable future - seeing how even the West told him that it's over and gtfo - because...? 8D CIA and MI6 chess? That tweet is pure bs. Where's the CNN interview? One would think it would be everywhere, but radio silence.

Also lmao about the US telling him that he won't be getting his membership. As if the US would be calling the shots on that. It takes an unanimous vote. A vote that couldn't/wouldn't have happened anyway.
Why do you think the US actually cares about Ukraine?

Russia will never "take" Ukraine. Ukrainians will not accept it. The best Russia can hope for is to sign a deal which gives Putin some influence (i.e gets rid of US meddling), officially recognizes Crimea/Donbas regions, and ends all talk of Ukraine/NATO. This whole "demilitarize Ukraine" chit, I'll believe it when I see it. It's called a negotiation for a reason. I can't see demilitarization being a major sticking point if Ukraine agree to the other terms. Russia wants out of this ASAP. Demilitarization is completely unreasonable and unrealistic. If Russia won't compromise, I will seriously question Putin's motives and admit I was wrong.

Also, you're back to predicting the future again. No one is claiming that Ukraine was joining NATO next week. The fact is, there has been a hell of a lot of talk from the US and Ukraine about NATO membership over the years. This is a slap in the face to Putin. We know it's not "fair", but he drew a clear line at Ukraine, and the US danced over it. It's just a retarded move, unless it was intentional.

To avoid being called a deflector or something, ^ this was a reply to your post. Now I'm just going to ramble a bit.

This could have been settled diplomatically but the US did not allow it. Do you seriously not realize how much the US government despises Russia and vice versa? It's never going to stop. In your own words, Ukraine being a neutral buffer state benefits both sides. If the US just fooked off, we wouldn't have any of this mess. inb4 the cold war. Please don't. They went too far here. They were either calling Putin's bluff and grooming Ukraine for an alliance down the road, or they intentionally led Ukraine into this mess. There is no other explanation for their actions. It's incompetence or a calculated sacrifice.
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