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Thread: Seed oils are poisoning you. Stop consuming that toxic chit

post 1659205423 04-06-2022, 09:37 AM
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extra virgin olive oil crew
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post 1659205833 04-06-2022, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted By Devine88⏩
Nice thread OP.

No seed oils, no sugar, no soy crew.
How are you eating a diet with no soy? It’s virtually impossible.
post 1659205913 04-06-2022, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted By AdvancedDreamer⏩
How are you eating a diet with no soy? It’s virtually impossible.
if you don't eat anything boxed or canned/bottled it is possible


my cousins just eat farm food cause they have their own animals
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post 1659206173 04-06-2022, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
Can I put it on my face though? Srs. All of those seed oils make my ghoulish old lady skin glow
I use grapeseed oil on my skin.
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post 1659206963 04-06-2022, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted By jackamo2887⏩
Only 100% California olive oil crew.

European oil is a scam
It is only a scam if you buy Italian.
Italians produced more Olive oil Made in Italy than they can via their own olives.

They buy olive oil from other countries and relabel it. Or dilute them.
Unbelievable.
post 1659208363 04-06-2022, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
if you don't eat anything boxed or canned/bottled it is possible


my cousins just eat farm food cause they have their own animals
Even the farm feed has soy and corn so I still don’t see how you’re eating a soy free diet.
post 1659208563 04-06-2022, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted By SUPERH0T⏩
Pigs are fed soybean oil and the most toxic components accumulate in their fat.
Lard from most pigs is actually higher in seed oil than some seed oils.
lol wat run that by me again
post 1659208593 04-06-2022, 10:33 AM
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vegetable oils are definitely poisonous.

However, I'd place obesity as more of an effect of cheap simple sugars that are processed by the body and turned into harmful fats at a higher rate than most fats themselves.
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post 1659208653 04-06-2022, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
For bodybuilding, there's not a lot you cook in oil except for eggs.

But I guess no one here lifts.
You don't need oil if you boil them.
post 1659209753 04-06-2022, 10:55 AM
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What about motor oil?
post 1659209933 04-06-2022, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted By SUPERH0T⏩
It's all rancid by the time it gets to you.
Also olive oil is almost always cut with seed oils.
What do you suggest?
post 1659210093 04-06-2022, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted By TwoHumpChump⏩
What do you suggest?
https://corto-olive.com/

Very pricey but one of the best olive oils.
post 1659210453 04-06-2022, 11:04 AM
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so what the **** are we supposed to eat then? what's left that's not tainted?
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Originally Posted By Ironface⏩
Olive oil or no oil crew

Sometimes coconut oil
Pretty fatty, why not go with a avocado/olive oil spray?
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post 1659211433 04-06-2022, 11:19 AM
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Avocado oil, butter or olive oil crew checking in.
post 1659254353 04-07-2022, 07:59 AM
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What oils do y’all fry stuff in?
post 1659254903 04-07-2022, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted By floridamancan⏩
What oils do y’all fry stuff in?
butter, coconut oil or olive oil
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post 1659255293 04-07-2022, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted By TwoHumpChump⏩
What do you suggest?
Butter and tallow. What's the point in olive oil, outside of using a small amount if you like the flavour?
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Omega 6 is essential
Essential just means your body cannot synthesise it. You get more than you need just in beef fat.
Originally Posted By twovalvekid⏩
Been hearing this, is this one of those situations where it "causes cancer" or other health effects because they overfed it to rats for their entire life in a cage? Or is utilizing a 1/4 teaspoon for "lube" in a carbon steel pan actually going to wreck me?
It's a chronic consumption thing. Over time, linoleic acid in particular builds up in your fat cells and cell membranes and breaks your metabolism.
Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
vegetable oils are definitely poisonous.

However, I'd place obesity as more of an effect of cheap simple sugars that are processed by the body and turned into harmful fats at a higher rate than most fats themselves.
Processed sugar is not good, but excess linoleic acid consumption vastly reduces your capacity to metabolise sugar, so it's a one-two punch.
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Originally Posted By DolphinPilot⏩
lol wat run that by me again
I was being a little facetious.

The really problematic component of seed oils is the polyunsaturated fat linoleic acid. Monogastric animals like pigs, chicken and humans cannot saturate it and so it just accumulates in the fat. By the time pigs get slaughtered they can have 30% of their fat as linoleic acid, whereas seed oils range from 15 to 50 or so %
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Originally Posted By SUPERH0T⏩
I was being a little facetious.

The really problematic component of seed oils is the polyunsaturated fat linoleic acid. Monogastric animals like pigs, chicken and humans cannot saturate it and so it just accumulates in the fat. By the time pigs get slaughtered they can have 30% of their fat as linoleic acid, whereas seed oils range from 15 to 50 or so %
interesting info here. also read studies about how omega 6s are not it mane.

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I’m sorry I’m really trying to hop on board this but 80% is absolute garbage and 20% is interesting but has no science/studies at all backing up the claims on effects on population and comparison to the other oils.

Every single argument about omega 6 to omega 3 is a ridiculous. That doesn’t make the oil inherently bad. It makes your stupid garbage diet of mostly processed foods bad. There’s no reason light frying use once a day with a blend of canola/evoo should upset your balance that much unless you were already fukking up with what you put in your body.

GMO automatically makes somthing bad ? Do you eat bananas ? Do you eat potatoes ? No some gmo is bad some is good. Show me the fukking actual science and studies linking how the modifications created somthing toxic.

Don’t share this broscience about “we never ate it before so it’s bad”. Cuz there’s tons of stuff that DOESNT apply too. It’s not a scientific statement, it involves no understanding of how our bodies break down and utilize nutrients.

The whole “was once toxic waste” bit is tacky and sensationalist. It was used as lighting fuel… cuz it’s oil.

And alot of the arguments about oxidation when heating and carcinogenic radicals forming and antioxidants dying applies to ALL FATS.


Now onto the stuff I’m desperately trying to like.

The hydrogenation process creating lineac whatever buildup. Clearly it’s waaay to much in most people which clearly means their chit diet involves a very displaced omega 3 to 6 ratio. Again this doesn’t make the oil bad just the processed food trend and the ingredients picked prioritizing profits over nutrition (thanks capitalism). But would love to see more studies on the toxicity’s in any of the specific compounds created during hydrogenation and effects on humans (not like another bs aluminum deodorant scare which doesn’t check out scientifically)

Now some of my other questions so avocado and coconuts are good what about things like peanuts or other nut oils. Maybe artisanal blends and less heating / cold pressed versions. I don’t understand why these specific oils get picked but the whole family of seeds/veggies gets demonized. Is it a seed / nut distinction or is it a PROCESSING issue. In which case many things like a cold press artisanal sesame oil would be very healthy (again assuming you have a proper omega 3/6 ratio)

Basically it reeks like fad/diet selling BS trying to overstate things and play into your confirmation bias while having its own agenda and overstating things / not actually interested in the science of what’s good for you.
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Originally Posted By SUPERH0T⏩
It's a chronic consumption thing. Over time, linoleic acid in particular builds up in your fat cells and cell membranes and breaks your metabolism.

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At what amounts though? Like i said, is it just we crammed too much into rats and saw problems?
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Black seed oil (Nigella Sativa) is very good for health though. Excellent for fighting off infections.
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
Black seed oil (Nigella Sativa) is very good for health though. Excellent for fighting off infections.
That’s what I’m saying they latched onto some truth attached a whole bunch of conspiracy logic and are selling a trend. Fukkin avocado oil shills up in this bitch.
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Originally Posted By DolphinPilot⏩
I've been srsly considering using lard to cook with, but I don't know where to pick it up
In the baking ingredients isle.

Lard, tallow and butter crew.
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
Black seed oil (Nigella Sativa) is very good for health though. Excellent for fighting off infections.
Nah thats some straight arab bro science lol
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Tallow and butter are the way as other posters said. The best is to make bone broth and collect the tallow from the top, 2 birds with one stone.
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Dioxins are some of the most toxic compounds on Earth, they are ubiquitous, accumulating in the fatty tissues of animals with predatory animals having the highest levels.

~95% of human exposure from these toxic compounds comes through food with the highest concentration coming from fish, eggs and dairy, it is not presentinplants.

When animals have excessively high levels, they will sequester the toxic compounds in milk and eggs as protection, this includes humans.



If your wife breast feeds your child while consuming large amounts of these compounds then she will pass poison to the child through her breast milk in an effort to protect her own body.

Dioxins are natural, you cannot avoid them completely, if humans did not exist then dioxins would still be produced.

The only way for a human to limit consumption is to limit consumption of animal fats.
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Originally Posted By twovalvekid⏩
At what amounts though? Like i said, is it just we crammed too much into rats and saw problems?
Linoleic acid in hunter gatherers makes up about 2% of calories. It stsrtd becoming problematic at 5% or more. Modern diets it can be 15+%.
Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
That’s what I’m saying they latched onto some truth attached a whole bunch of conspiracy logic and are selling a trend. Fukkin avocado oil shills up in this bitch.
Linoleic acid is an omega 6 fatty acid and competes with omega 3 conversion pathways. This is why 3:6 ratio appears important during studies, but the truth is that if you consume an evolutionarily consistent amount of Linoleic acid (2% of calories), then you need far less omega 3 because you can synthesise it from its precursors such as ALA.

Further, when unsaturated fats are metabolised, they give different FADH2:NADH ratios which promote obesity and reduce metabolic rate
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