That won't change the societal decline.

Also lol, work doesn't pay anymore;

Not according to Buddhists

They believe there's power and enlightenment in doing nothing

Dave Chappell is wrong and you're wrong.

Not all guys would stay in apartments. I speak for a lot of guys when I say we want a nice house and a garage big enough to work on our cars and build project cars. We want a backyard we can barbeque at will. Some of us guys want a shed for a wood cutting shop to do all sorts of projects. Some guys want large acres of land to be farmers planting crops and raising a herd of cattle. I and many guys didn't go to school to get women. I went to school so I can afford the things I want to do. Project cars, motorcycles, airplanes, fishing. I like to tinker with things and I need money for those things.

Newton, Darwin, Henry Ford, Einstein, Nicola Tesla, George Washington. Those guys didn't do what they did for women, it was what they enjoyed the most.

For sure I'm not saying everyone guy is the way I described. But enough are or will be as they become incels that it will be highly demotivating for them and it will have big impacts on society

Also, can we stop using generational geniuses as examples? The average incel is choosing between souless wage slavery or rotting, not doing anything significant

Life isn't as tough as you make it to be, especially if you're in the right field of work. The Median Salary for STEM is something like $90k. Add in spouse and it's not hard to have a household income of $150k+. If College is too expensive there's the military where you can retire at 38. There's also trade school that pay $80k to journeyman, not including overtime.

I really believe lot of people just aren't doing what they're supposed to do. They don't choose the right career field, they have kids too young, they go into unnecessary debt, etc.

If you avoid kids and debt, life should very well be a breeze.

That's the incel's fault. If they're rotting a souless wage job, that's their fault. If their happiness is tied to women, that's their fault. I don't need sex for happiness, that comes with it's own headaches. One of my friends got a chick pregnant, tried to get her to abort, but she's keeping it. So now he's gonna struggle because he has no degree and can't afford college.

FYI women don't like when you do things for them. They don't respect you and never will.

You're missing the key point, a guy doesn't need that much money if he's just living alone with no prospects for dating

The reality is that a large anount of men will very happily do the bare minimum to get by if they otherwise have no hopes for dating and sex. And society cannot function with hoards of men doing nothing or next to nothing

No, many guys don't need that much money if they're alone, but that doesn't mean we'll sit inside a basic apartment like you claim.

You're projecting like all guys will sit there and rot inside a 300sf apartment playing video games when that simply isn't the case.

His point is that if a man doesn't have the prospect of a good woman/family to motivate him, he will most likely choose to work less and spend more time doing things he enjoys. This may be golfing, traveling, playing videos games etc.



Men are natural providers. They will work endlessly to provide for their families, even sacrifice their own life to protect them



Destroy the family unit=destroy most men's desire to work

They'll do the bare minimum to make themselves happy with the least amount of work.

In 2022, with Xbox Netflix porn etc, it doesn't take much to reach that point for a large amount of guys.

It doesn't make sense to do more than the minimum if you a simple life is enough to make you happy

you cant be this dense--the whole point is that for a growing number of men, the idea of landing a spouse attractive enough to commit to is no longer commonplace; therefore this motivation is taken away, and so is the incentive to do most of the typical life moves (house, car, etc)

Most single people can't even afford a house on their own anymore and even if they could why? Why stick yourself with a mortgage and maintenance responsibilities just to live in a house by yourself with no prospects of that changing?

I ask myself that question everyday--just put down an offer 35k over asking to do exactly this lmao

Not a rotter though

Just lol breh, it doesn't really make sense. A big reason for the housing issues right now is rise of single people trying to buy. Usually it's more couples but you need twice as many houses if everyone's buying individually

sense of achievment, some of you motherfukcers in this thread do really have a losers mentality "srs"

I'm sorry but getting into massive debt isn't an achievement. Buying your house outright sure but any idiot can get a loan.

And if you're an incel to begin with you're still a loser regardless

Left 4 dead and unreal tournament 2004. If you played these you’d kno the answer.

No, he’s right. You have to look at the science behind this and what our purpose is.

A man’s purpose in life is to reproduce and then provide and protect his pride. That’s it. Everything has an underlying foundation beneath the surface.

On the surface women wear makeup for women, they compete with each other. Dig deeper, who is the ultimate judge of that competition? Men. An ugly woman can only be told she’s pretty for so long by other women until they notice she’s literally the only one who never gets approached by men. Women want to look beautiful for other women but it is men who are the consumers of that beauty.

It’s the same thing with men who say they work out for themselves. 1% may truly do that but for 99% of men, it’s a very shallow reading of the situation.

Testosterone drives 99% of men to be more wreckless and go for it. That toxic masculinity that makes them so dumb chit like jackass pranks or go to war is the same “toxic” masculinity that makes them wreckless enough to go want to slay the dragon or work 90hr weeks. The goal is to rise to the top and ultimately, we know what the prize for the ones at the top is, whether that is what they are consciously heading for or not.

Men compete with other men for mating opportunities, even if they’re not. It’s the very mechanics of how our body and brains are wired. Women compete with other women to be able to secure the best man, hence the hypergamy. It’s no coincidence that women want men to be strong, masculine, richer than them, taller than them, bigger than them; and yes, smarter than them. A woman dating a dumber man is a turnoff for them.

So of course there are exceptions, the system is not perfect. Being a homosexual goes completely against survival of the fittest theory, yet it happens, there are defects. Guys like Einstein are defects.

It’s like that guy who works hard so he can get money and have an easy life. And when he gets money and can get an easy life, he still chooses to work anyways, cos something is driving him, it goes beyond the superficial wants.

For anecdotal evidence, I moved into the city to a very nice place with my fiancé. My brother who has far more money than me lives in a bedroom with mattress on the floor. And I had to be honest, if I was single, I would have done the same.

Obviously some guys will still want nice cars to impress their friends, society, or themselves. It all goes back to the same thing. We are building an LDAR society.

hence the word investment .... you invest in an asset or an item with the goal of generating income or appreciation.


this is how you subsidize..... anyways i guess your educational background is h.s "grade 10 at best" so yeah keep working your dead end job

Any idiot actually can't get a loan, not for a decent house anyway. Have to have a decent down payment, decent credit, low DTI, no outstanding collections or judgements. And in the time you save 20-30 years to buy a house outright, the market outpaces your savings far more than the interest you paid.

Way better investments to make that don't require that level of maintenance and taxes . Most people buy houses because they want a place to live and raise a family

Either way, cashing out your profit after selling your house would be the accomplishment in this case, not buying one.

You can put as low as 5% down and decent credit isn't an accomplishment either. It is not that special to get a house, most people in American history have had one

I guess I can't fault you for saying this if you really are 50, but if you try to put any woman under the age of...hell, about 40 "in her place" you're phucked. She will scream abuse and your face and all your dirtiest secrets will be plastered to her social media accounts and everyone will instinctively side with her which is not necessarily a bad thing it's the fact that they'll demonize you for things you didn't even do. Hell, you'd probably even lose your job depending on how pursuant she is.

life is a scam for sub 7/10 men

This

It's worth noting that ANY Hobbie can be considered a "waste of time":

-"why would you waste your time playing video games? You need to go outside and do something."

-"what are you doing going on hikes and bike rides? With all that time, you should be spending it learning how to invest."

-"why are you wasting time learning investing in options/crypto? It's just gambling."

No matter what you do, there is someone somewhere that deems your hobbie a waste of time and or money.

Why date one like that in the first place. Women are naturally submissive to the right man, and a lot more impressionable than men. Men have to fight for their ideas, they die in wars for it. Women just follow the man/leader who fought the best for his idea and had it prevail.

So men lead, women follow.

I’ve never dated a woman who was too miss independent for me. I have friends who are the same, boss chicks who will suddenly turn all submissive when they started dating them.

I think most men are just weak. Can’t put women in their place. Can’t argue their point, afraid to hurt their feelings, easily emotionally manipulated etc. it’s like when you see kids running laps around their parents these days. Wtf. I didn’t date chat back to my parents and they never hit me once. It was respect and fear ingrained.